From: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net (diesel-benz-digest) To: diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Subject: diesel-benz-digest V1 #1047 Reply-To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net Sender: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Errors-To: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Precedence: bulk diesel-benz-digest Friday, May 30 2003 Volume 01 : Number 1047 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: veggie oil ; I'm in... Re: comparisons 190D vs 300CD, updated Re: veggie oil ; I'm in... Brake Bolts Re: Brake Bolts Re: Brake Bolts RE: Brake Bolts Re: Brake Bolts DIY diesel Injection Pump timing tube for 83 300D Re: DIY diesel Injection Pump timing tube for 83 300D Re: Brake Bolts Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 22:50:43 -0700 (PDT) From: hue wong Subject: Re: veggie oil ; I'm in... Once I get set up I'lll take you up on that offer for sure! maybe even start a full blown petro facility, who knows ;-) I've been asking around and pretty much every fast food resturant I've been to will gladly pay me to take the stuff away. MCdonalds has some wierd policy about it, but since its a francise I think the local owners would be more then willing to let me cart the stuff away. One thing I have found is that not all fast food fryer oil is made the same. I'm trying to track down the perticulars now, but it appears that some of the oils is actually reprocessed oil and may even be synthetic. Makes me really start to question my french fry (or excuse me as I think they are called freedom frys now a days...) habbit! learing lots.... - --- john wrote: > drive it normal after about 500 miles... change the > oil at > 500 miles, 1,000 miles then every 2,000 miles... > > kenmore... clearview here. ;) not far at all... > I'll help > you burn up the biodiesel... I might be able to help > bring > in some veggie oil... have a trailer with dual > tanks... :) > > john > > At 03:11 PM 5/22/2003 -0700, hue wong wrote: > >Right on! > > > >I just got my first peice of the puzzle. A totaly > >rebuilt '74 240d taxi. New motor (fromn the block > >up), new tranny (rebuild), new suspension. I had > the > >motor built with the right gaskets so as not to > have > >the new bio desiel eat it away. > > Now after I break it in, it's off to build a > >veggi-oil processor here in Kenmore (north seattle) > I > >just hope that there is plenty of old fry oil left > >after all us underground petro engineers get our > >refinierys built. > > > >Anyone have any good advice on how to break in a > >desiel motor? I'd really like to get my 500,000km > >merit badge out of this one. > >-hue- > > > > > >--- john wrote: > > > cool... > > > > > > pittsburgh... is that on the west side or east > side > > > of Alabama? ;) > > > > > > oh wait, west side, philly is the one on the > east > > > side... > > > > > > PA has some nice country, how come it's so > lightly > > > populated??? > > > > > > john > > > > > > At 04:16 PM 5/22/2003 -0400, Aimino, Michael > wrote: > > > >Back onto diesel-related topics: > > > > > > > >I have a friend coming over tomorrow to help > weld > > > two drums for the biodiesel > > > >processor I'm building. The main processing > tank is > > > in place and all the > > > >components (think scrap 55 gallon drums) are > > > sitting, waiting for the MIG gun. > > > >Hopefully, I'll get some of the plumbing put > > > together, too. I'll post pics > > > >next week. > > > > > > > >Mike Aimino > > > >Technical Writer II > > > >FreeMarkets, Inc. > > > >210 Sixth Avenue > > > >Pittsburgh, PA 15222 > > > >(412) 297-7386 > > > > > > > >A.M.D.G. > > > > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ > > > Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, > they > > > mold... > > > jesus, don't leave life without him, > > > please! > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > >__________________________________ > >Do you Yahoo!? > >The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > >http://search.yahoo.com > > - ------------------------------------------------------------------ > http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ > Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they > mold... > jesus, don't leave life without him, > please! > - ------------------------------------------------------------------- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 22:52:48 -0700 (PDT) From: hue wong Subject: Re: comparisons 190D vs 300CD, updated you ever deecide to sell that CD, just let me know... I've been after one for a few yers now and just haven't come across one yet. ;-) - --- john wrote: > At 01:58 AM 5/16/2003 -0700, john wrote: > > MODEL hp tq WB L W H turn Wt 0-60 mpg > 190D2.2 72 96 104.9 175 66.1 54.4 35 2700 18.6 35/44 > 300CD 83 120 106.7 182.6 70.3 54.9 36.1 3399 20.8 > 23/28 (21.5) > > Nitske, pg 176/177 - He says that the original coupe > did 23/28 mpg, but the > turbo > version introduced in 1982 was 27/33! Hmmm... can > hardly wait to drive > the '80 300CD... if I like it then either > converting it to a turbo Diesel or > selling it and buying a newer one makes sense. :) > > pg 210/211 - ref: 190D, max engine speed is 5,100 > rpm. :) > > > I may run down to Seattle and buy the hood today, > other parts due in around > the first > week of June... If I sell both the 190D and the > 300CD I might be able to > buy one > nice newer 300CD. :) We'll see... The 300CD is > growing on me. :) But > then again > so is 35mpg... :) The 190D is faster, newer, > cleaner, has four doors, > looks nicer (to > my wife) and the beauty of both of them is they're > paid for. :) If the WJ > finally > goes away and frees us up from payments maybe my > wife will drive one of > these Mercedes > and we'll save enough to buy another WJ in a year or > so. :) > > later, > john > > - ------------------------------------------------------------------ > http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ > Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they > mold... > jesus, don't leave life without him, > please! > - ------------------------------------------------------------------- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 09:35:13 -0700 From: john Subject: Re: veggie oil ; I'm in... very cool... So, should I set up my J10 trailer with 20 gallons, or 40 gallons of capacity? :) It came with dual tanks, but I've only got the aux in bed tank in place now... :) please advise... :) john At 10:50 PM 5/28/2003 -0700, hue wong wrote: >Once I get set up I'lll take you up on that offer for >sure! maybe even start a full blown petro facility, >who knows ;-) > >I've been asking around and pretty much every fast >food resturant I've been to will gladly pay me to take >the stuff away. MCdonalds has some wierd policy about >it, but since its a francise I think the local owners >would be more then willing to let me cart the stuff >away. > >One thing I have found is that not all fast food fryer >oil is made the same. I'm trying to track down the >perticulars now, but it appears that some of the oils >is actually reprocessed oil and may even be synthetic. >Makes me really start to question my french fry (or >excuse me as I think they are called freedom frys now >a days...) habbit! > >learing lots.... > >--- john wrote: > > drive it normal after about 500 miles... change the > > oil at > > 500 miles, 1,000 miles then every 2,000 miles... > > > > kenmore... clearview here. ;) not far at all... > > I'll help > > you burn up the biodiesel... I might be able to help > > bring > > in some veggie oil... have a trailer with dual > > tanks... :) > > > > john > > > > At 03:11 PM 5/22/2003 -0700, hue wong wrote: > > >Right on! > > > > > >I just got my first peice of the puzzle. A totaly > > >rebuilt '74 240d taxi. New motor (fromn the block > > >up), new tranny (rebuild), new suspension. I had > > the > > >motor built with the right gaskets so as not to > > have > > >the new bio desiel eat it away. > > > Now after I break it in, it's off to build a > > >veggi-oil processor here in Kenmore (north seattle) > > I > > >just hope that there is plenty of old fry oil left > > >after all us underground petro engineers get our > > >refinierys built. > > > > > >Anyone have any good advice on how to break in a > > >desiel motor? I'd really like to get my 500,000km > > >merit badge out of this one. > > >-hue- > > > > > > > > >--- john wrote: > > > > cool... > > > > > > > > pittsburgh... is that on the west side or east > > side > > > > of Alabama? ;) > > > > > > > > oh wait, west side, philly is the one on the > > east > > > > side... > > > > > > > > PA has some nice country, how come it's so > > lightly > > > > populated??? > > > > > > > > john > > > > > > > > At 04:16 PM 5/22/2003 -0400, Aimino, Michael > > wrote: > > > > >Back onto diesel-related topics: > > > > > > > > > >I have a friend coming over tomorrow to help > > weld > > > > two drums for the biodiesel > > > > >processor I'm building. The main processing > > tank is > > > > in place and all the > > > > >components (think scrap 55 gallon drums) are > > > > sitting, waiting for the MIG gun. > > > > >Hopefully, I'll get some of the plumbing put > > > > together, too. I'll post pics > > > > >next week. > > > > > > > > > >Mike Aimino > > > > >Technical Writer II > > > > >FreeMarkets, Inc. > > > > >210 Sixth Avenue > > > > >Pittsburgh, PA 15222 > > > > >(412) 297-7386 > > > > > > > > > >A.M.D.G. > > > > > > > > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ > > > > Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, > > they > > > > mold... > > > > jesus, don't leave life without him, > > > > please! > > > > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > >__________________________________ > > >Do you Yahoo!? > > >The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > > >http://search.yahoo.com > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------ > > http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ > > Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they > > mold... > > jesus, don't leave life without him, > > please! > > >------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). >http://calendar.yahoo.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... Jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 12:12:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Jerome Kaidor Subject: Brake Bolts Hi Guys, The brake light is on again on my 300D. This time, instead of just plopping in new pads & sensors, I ordered pads, rotors, and sensors. Got appropriate printouts off the Mercedes CD, went out to the car. Took off one wheel... "Whups, those are pretty big Allen head screws. Do I have that wrench?" No, I didn't. Not only that, but the info off the CD said that those large Allen head self-locking bolts were single use only. OK, I went down to the Mercedes dealer today and bought new brake disk bolts. I also bought new bolts to secure the calipers to the suspension, which are also single-use. FORTY-SIX DOLLARS LATER, I reeled out of the Mercedes dealer, in shock at the price of 14 bolts. They look pretty ordinary, with the exception of the dried locktite on the threads. Now, there are bolts in the world that really are single-use, because they take a "stretch" when you use them. Mostly things like cylinder head bolts. These bolts don't look like that. In fact, I'd bet money that the only thing that makes them "single use" is the dried threadlock compound on them. So how about it? Do you reuse your bolts? Did you live to tell about it? - Jerry Kaidor ( jerry-at-tr2.com ) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 12:30:53 -0700 From: "DerickAA" Subject: Re: Brake Bolts I am guilty of reuse. I just wire wheel the threads clean. Apply locktite and torque to the proper spec. I think I am still alive....unless this is all an illusion... hmmmm ;) My car is a 190d so what I do may not apply to your stituation. My manual also does NOT say they are one use bolts either.... I think you did the right thing though, it is your brakes afterall. :) Derick - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerome Kaidor" To: Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 12:12 PM Subject: Brake Bolts > Hi Guys, > > The brake light is on again on my 300D. This time, instead of just > plopping in new pads & sensors, I ordered pads, rotors, and sensors. > > Got appropriate printouts off the Mercedes CD, went out to the car. Took > off one wheel... > "Whups, those are pretty big Allen head screws. Do I have that wrench?" > > No, I didn't. Not only that, but the info off the CD said that those > large Allen head self-locking bolts were single use only. > > OK, I went down to the Mercedes dealer today and bought new brake disk > bolts. I also bought new bolts to secure the calipers to the suspension, > which are also single-use. > > FORTY-SIX DOLLARS LATER, I reeled out of the Mercedes dealer, in > shock at the price of 14 bolts. > > They look pretty ordinary, with the exception of the dried locktite > on the threads. > > Now, there are bolts in the world that really are single-use, because > they take a "stretch" when you use them. Mostly things like cylinder head > bolts. These bolts don't look like that. In fact, I'd bet money that the > only thing that makes them "single use" is the dried threadlock compound > on them. > > So how about it? Do you reuse your bolts? Did you live to tell about > it? > > - Jerry Kaidor ( jerry-at-tr2.com ) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 14:34:32 CDT From: acordova-at-texas.net Subject: Re: Brake Bolts > So how about it? Do you reuse your bolts? Did you live to tell about > it? > > - Jerry Kaidor ( jerry-at-tr2.com ) A couple years ago, I had my mechanic friend replace front rotors, pads, and sensors on my 89 300CE with new parts from Rusty. There were a couple of blued bolts included. I think they came with the pads. When it was all buttoned up, I noticed that the blued bolts were in the leftovers pile. It wasn't until much later that I snapped to what those bolts were, and realized that we had reused the old bolts. I doubt he even put any LocTite on them. I experienced no problems. I replaced front pads again within the last couple of months, and now that I know about those blued bolts, I used the new ones when strapping the calipers back down. I put 15-20K miles a year on my car, mostly straight highway miles. I don't know how things might have held up if I were one of those 5K-a-year, front-pads- last-for-5-years kinda guys. It's probably just more old-fashioned MB over-engineering. Alec ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 15:35:00 -0400 From: "Aimino, Michael" Subject: RE: Brake Bolts Huh? The caliper bolts are single use? Whoops. I've reused mine, ummm, several times. Brakes still work fine. - -----Original Message----- From: Jerome Kaidor [mailto:jerry-at-tr2.com] Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 3:13 PM To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net Subject: Brake Bolts Hi Guys, The brake light is on again on my 300D. This time, instead of just plopping in new pads & sensors, I ordered pads, rotors, and sensors. Got appropriate printouts off the Mercedes CD, went out to the car. Took off one wheel... "Whups, those are pretty big Allen head screws. Do I have that wrench?" No, I didn't. Not only that, but the info off the CD said that those large Allen head self-locking bolts were single use only. OK, I went down to the Mercedes dealer today and bought new brake disk bolts. I also bought new bolts to secure the calipers to the suspension, which are also single-use. FORTY-SIX DOLLARS LATER, I reeled out of the Mercedes dealer, in shock at the price of 14 bolts. They look pretty ordinary, with the exception of the dried locktite on the threads. Now, there are bolts in the world that really are single-use, because they take a "stretch" when you use them. Mostly things like cylinder head bolts. These bolts don't look like that. In fact, I'd bet money that the only thing that makes them "single use" is the dried threadlock compound on them. So how about it? Do you reuse your bolts? Did you live to tell about it? - Jerry Kaidor ( jerry-at-tr2.com ) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 14:43:30 -0700 From: john Subject: Re: Brake Bolts At 12:12 PM 5/29/2003 -0700, Jerome Kaidor wrote: >So how about it? Do you reuse your bolts? Did you live to tell about >it? I live on the edge... I even reuse the centering bolts and U-bolts on leaf springs... :) you can tell when you're torquing stuff down if you're in trouble... if it starts getting easier when it should be getting harder that's usually a bad sign... ;) john - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... Jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 00:20:45 +0100 From: "steve d" Subject: DIY diesel Injection Pump timing tube for 83 300D I noticed that the above drip tube is about $25 - it looks to me like an old injector line bent & cut at the appropriate length would work fine. Can anyone see why this would not work? Steve ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 18:07:54 -0500 From: "Vernon Tuck" Subject: Re: DIY diesel Injection Pump timing tube for 83 300D I have been given to understand on good authority that this will work fine. VT - ----- Original Message ----- From: "steve d" To: Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 6:20 PM Subject: DIY diesel Injection Pump timing tube for 83 300D > I noticed that the above drip tube is about $25 - it looks to me like an old > injector line bent & cut at the appropriate length would work fine. Can > anyone see why this would not work? > Steve ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 18:34:18 -0700 From: Greg Fiorentino Subject: Re: Brake Bolts At 12:12 PM 5/29/03 , Jerome Kaidor wrote: >Hi Guys, > > The brake light is on again on my 300D. This time, instead of just >plopping in new pads & sensors, I ordered pads, rotors, and sensors. > > Got appropriate printouts off the Mercedes CD, went out to the car. Took >off one wheel... > "Whups, those are pretty big Allen head screws. Do I have that wrench?" > > No, I didn't. Not only that, but the info off the CD said that those >large Allen head self-locking bolts were single use only. > > OK, I went down to the Mercedes dealer today and bought new brake disk >bolts. I also bought new bolts to secure the calipers to the suspension, >which are also single-use. > > FORTY-SIX DOLLARS LATER, I reeled out of the Mercedes dealer, in >shock at the price of 14 bolts. > > They look pretty ordinary, with the exception of the dried locktite >on the threads. > > Now, there are bolts in the world that really are single-use, because >they take a "stretch" when you use them. Mostly things like cylinder head >bolts. These bolts don't look like that. In fact, I'd bet money that the >only thing that makes them "single use" is the dried threadlock compound >on them. > > So how about it? Do you reuse your bolts? Did you live to tell about >it? > > - Jerry Kaidor ( jerry-at-tr2.com ) Reused mine with my own Loctite. Still breathing Greg Fiorentino Vancouver USA gfior-at-dslnorthwest.net '84 300D Turbo '79 300TD '85 F-350 6.9 crew cab ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #1047 **********************************