From: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net (diesel-benz-digest) To: diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Subject: diesel-benz-digest V1 #1058 Reply-To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net Sender: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Errors-To: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Precedence: bulk diesel-benz-digest Friday, June 6 2003 Volume 01 : Number 1058 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: w123 A/C (was: Re: coupe around here f/s) Wheel center cap? Re: 300D A/C stuff Car Colors RE: Looking for a car - SCORE! Re: 300D RE: A/C stuff RE: Looking for a car - SCORE! RE: Looking for a car - SCORE! Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 23:15:21 -0700 From: Kevin Pekarek Subject: Re: w123 A/C (was: Re: coupe around here f/s) On Thu, Jun 05, 2003 at 08:48:52PM -0700, Eric Ditwiler wrote: > We will pay later though. Yup. Hopefully you don't live in the smog pit between san bernardino, riverside, and ontario. It almost seems foggy out there :-/ > Anybody ever get a 123 A/C to blow REALLY cold? > > I put a parallel flow condensor in mine and filled it with R134 and it > is pathetic. Seems to work better at 45 than 75 though. That's kinda interesting. I'd expect the opposite. > I need a small a/c pulley and a taller rear end ratio! Small A/C pulley isn't really a bad idea. Obviously, running R134 is going to hurt, since R134 doesn't work as well in an R12 compressor. In things of other makes, I had half toyed with the idea of using an R134 compressor in an R12 car if I could get it to line up (then make an adapter plate and pray the plumbing worked). R134 itself isn't the problem per se (and I have a 94 crown vic with factory R134 that can prove this), but the R134 retrofits leave something to be desired. My w201 has a serpentine belt, so I'd imagine a jaunt over to the benz junkyard in the east bay to look at some 94ish C class or E class to see if the compressor and such would work in my w201 is in order... ah phooey. My A/C works okay. It would be interesting if this idea actually would work or not though. It was an idea I toyed with for an 86 colony park I have. It also has serpentine belts like the 94 crown vic I have does, and the compressor on the 4.6 in the 94 CV looks like it would work on the 86's 302. I'm pretty sure an R134 retrofit kit in that big ol wagon is going to be about as effective as having the windows down. K - -- Kevin Pekarek Redwood City, CA (near San Francisco) and Los Osos, CA (near San Luis Obispo) 85 190D (2.2, 5spd) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 00:55:59 -0600 From: "JC Jones" Subject: Wheel center cap? Does anybody have a spare wheel center cap for the late model (86+) w126 chrome wheels? The moron at the tire place obviously didn't put one back on well enough when I got my new tires and now I'm missing one :( Thanks, JC Jones :) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 02:59:15 -0400 From: Robert Chase Subject: Re: 300D Im really glad I drove the 300D. The cars of that body design have never really done much for me but driving it was a different story. I really like the vent design and some of the other features of the cars. Now Im gonna be looking for a 300CD sometime :). Robert. john wrote: > could be the sunroof drains... > > vacuum central locks... > how much? ;) > > wasn't there some sort of exhaust issue with these some > sort of particle trap or something? factory recall... > > could also be clogged filters... > > there is an '85 300CD I test drove here that was more gutless > then my 190D! either the turbo's bad or the filters are clogged... > > john > > At 06:15 PM 6/5/2003 -0400, Robert Chase wrote: > >> Ok, >> >> So my Brother has finally come to his senses about his Maxima and is >> looking for another car. We saw a really nice 300D from the car lot >> that sold me my 300SD. We drove it and it was really nice. Rode >> well seats were in good shape (even the suspension on them). Engine >> compartment looked really clean. A/C worked well. It has about 275k >> on the odometer. >> Its a turbo and seemed a little slower than my SD and the engine did >> not run as smoothly as my SD does. I suspect it probably needs some >> adjustments. The car is a 1983 and it has full service records. The >> engine compartment looks VERY clean but did not look detailed. >> I have a few questions however as I dont know much about the 300D's. >> Are there any "gotcha's" with this car that I should know about? >> Also inside the car on the passengers side was water on the >> floorboard. The dealer thinks the car is leaking somewhere but he >> cant find the leak. >> Could it be the A/C water outlet hose or do 300D's leak there for >> some reason. Also did the 300D's come with power locks? If so these >> dont work :). >> >> If we don't buy the car Ill go get some photos in case there is >> anybody out there interested in a nice 300D. >> Robert. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ > Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... > Jesus, don't leave life without him, please! > ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 03:26:56 -0400 From: Robert Chase Subject: A/C stuff Saw some A/C stuff on here and it reminded me of my A/C issues. I semi sucessfully converted my car to R134 but it only lasted for a few days obviously a leak somewhere. Worked pretty well after solving the smoking belt issue :). Im going to bring the car in for A/C repairs when I start working again (cant justify watching my bank account balance go down right now :)). Im wondering what would be the best thing to do with the A/C system. It "had" R134 in there and cooled ok but i would like it to be colder since its a black car. I dont mind replacing every component in the system if it would get me colder air and more reliability since I plan on keeping this car for a very long time, but at the same time I dont want to toss money down the toilet for parts that I will get no real benefit from. I have seen a couple of refrigerant products like R-134 and Freeze 22 that replace the original refrigerant's. I know that R-134 has a different pressure/tempature ratio than the original refrigerant and therefore is not as good. I was willing to deal with the performance issues of R-134 when i did my "quick and diry" job but if im going to invest money into repairs I want an efficent A/C unit. Would an R-134 optimized compressor be as cold as the original refrigerant? I have done some reading on this Freeze 22 stuff and supposedly it has the same temp/pressure relationship as the original refrigerant. Anybody ever use this stuff? I would rather not have the original refrigerant just because its so costly but if its the only thing that will cool the best Ill just hope that I dont do any leaking :). I have been driving the Accord a lot lately just to eat up some mileage on it and have noticed some freaky A/C stuff even on it. At times the A/C will freeze you out of the car and at times it does not seem cool enough. Then again Black cars have always been hard to cool especially when they are being cooled by a Japanese 4cylender engine :). ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 03:32:27 -0400 From: Robert Chase Subject: Car Colors Heh heh, Was looking at the MBZ.org site and looked up the color of the 300d im trying to get my brother to buy. Its "Hellbeige". Seems like a pretty accurate description of the color in German or English :). http://viewimages.mbz.org/colors/glasurit/db441.JPG Ill stick to my Schwartz colored car :). ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 09:23:10 -0400 From: "J.B. Hebert" Subject: RE: Looking for a car - SCORE! So, it looks like the message bemoaning my inability to find a car paid off. Not 15 minutes after I posted it, I ran across an ad for an '83 300CD in the local paper. "Engine great, body good" is all it says. But the price is right ($1500). I call the guy up and yes, he still has it. It needs a starter motor, which he has and will put in for me. I make an appointment to see it that night, even without the starter. Obviously not expecting much for $1500, we show up and he's got 2 300CD's is his driveway. The red '84 is his daily driver (good sign). He's under the silver '83 trying to put the new starter in. I look the car over, trying to find something on it that makes it look like a bad purchase, but I can't. The paint is faded and the windshield is cracked. Some of the seals are dryrotted. But the body is solid, with a couple very small rust spots on the passenger's side. Inside, black MB tex (never seen the silver/black combo... usually silver/blue, but I like the silver black) has worn like nails except for the left bolster on the driver's seat, which looks like it had a bite taken out of it. The vinyl under the driver's rear side window is starting to come away. The glovebox is held closed with tape. Otherwise, the interior is very serviceable. The dash is mint with no cracks! The car has 170,000 miles on it. It was owned by a friend who drove it every day until the starter failed about 2 months ago. It had just gotten new fluids prior to being parked. I checked the air cleaner housing for signs of blowby, and it looked pretty dry. Popped the oil fill and felt the cam lobes for signs of wear (ridges, etc) and they felt good. To be honest, I have seen cars listed for more than twice the price of this one, and they haven't been any better. At this point I have told him that I'd like to see it running and make sure that the sunroof, windows, etc. work. If it's running well and most of these things are good, I think I will buy it. Now the big question is, where can I get good deals on seals and other misc parts this car likely needs? Has anyone had any luck with the local "express" auto glass places? I know that using OEM parts is a good idea, but I went through more windshields in my '84 TD that in all my other cars combined (3 for the TD, 0 for everything else), so I have to wonder if their glass isn't so hot. So, any recommendations on parts? Thanks, J.B. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 09:46:29 CDT From: acordova-at-texas.net Subject: Re: 300D > Im really glad I drove the 300D. The cars of that body design have > never really done much for me but driving it was a different story. I > really like the vent design and some of the other features of the cars. > Now Im gonna be looking for a 300CD sometime :). > > Robert. > Uh oh. Robert's in trouble. He's tasted a W123. He's tasted a REAL Benz. He may never be happy with anything else. Alec Cordova Taylor, Texas 89 300CE, 158K 2 previous W123 diesels, and I miss them both ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 10:01:46 -0500 From: "Black, Waylon" Subject: RE: A/C stuff Use Freeze 12 for about 3 years now - no problems. Seems to work like the original - even in Texas summers. Waylon Dallas, Texas - -----Original Message----- From: Robert Chase [mailto:beostar-at-sdf.lonestar.org] Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 2:27 AM To: Diesel Benz Subject: A/C stuff Saw some A/C stuff on here and it reminded me of my A/C issues. I semi sucessfully converted my car to R134 but it only lasted for a few days obviously a leak somewhere. Worked pretty well after solving the smoking belt issue :). Im going to bring the car in for A/C repairs when I start working again (cant justify watching my bank account balance go down right now :)). Im wondering what would be the best thing to do with the A/C system. It "had" R134 in there and cooled ok but i would like it to be colder since its a black car. I dont mind replacing every component in the system if it would get me colder air and more reliability since I plan on keeping this car for a very long time, but at the same time I dont want to toss money down the toilet for parts that I will get no real benefit from. I have seen a couple of refrigerant products like R-134 and Freeze 22 that replace the original refrigerant's. I know that R-134 has a different pressure/tempature ratio than the original refrigerant and therefore is not as good. I was willing to deal with the performance issues of R-134 when i did my "quick and diry" job but if im going to invest money into repairs I want an efficent A/C unit. Would an R-134 optimized compressor be as cold as the original refrigerant? I have done some reading on this Freeze 22 stuff and supposedly it has the same temp/pressure relationship as the original refrigerant. Anybody ever use this stuff? I would rather not have the original refrigerant just because its so costly but if its the only thing that will cool the best Ill just hope that I dont do any leaking :). I have been driving the Accord a lot lately just to eat up some mileage on it and have noticed some freaky A/C stuff even on it. At times the A/C will freeze you out of the car and at times it does not seem cool enough. Then again Black cars have always been hard to cool especially when they are being cooled by a Japanese 4cylender engine :). ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 11:10:26 -0400 From: Andrew_Strasfogel-at-blm.gov Subject: RE: Looking for a car - SCORE! The major 300 CD door seals are very expensive no matter where you get them. The best prices I could find are from Robert at EEC, 1800 259-1125 ("bigbabbo" on ebay). The rear panels are a PIA to remove and the rear power windows are a similar pain to get at and fix. Otherwise, once sorted out the 123 300CD is a real joy to drive and very pretty to boot. How's the PS power mirror? Those can be pricy as well. "J.B. Hebert" cc: Sent by: Subject: RE: Looking for a car - SCORE! owner-diesel-benz -at-digest.net 06/06/03 09:23 AM So, it looks like the message bemoaning my inability to find a car paid off. Not 15 minutes after I posted it, I ran across an ad for an '83 300CD in the local paper. "Engine great, body good" is all it says. But the price is right ($1500). I call the guy up and yes, he still has it. It needs a starter motor, which he has and will put in for me. I make an appointment to see it that night, even without the starter. Obviously not expecting much for $1500, we show up and he's got 2 300CD's is his driveway. The red '84 is his daily driver (good sign). He's under the silver '83 trying to put the new starter in. I look the car over, trying to find something on it that makes it look like a bad purchase, but I can't. The paint is faded and the windshield is cracked. Some of the seals are dryrotted. But the body is solid, with a couple very small rust spots on the passenger's side. Inside, black MB tex (never seen the silver/black combo... usually silver/blue, but I like the silver black) has worn like nails except for the left bolster on the driver's seat, which looks like it had a bite taken out of it. The vinyl under the driver's rear side window is starting to come away. The glovebox is held closed with tape. Otherwise, the interior is very serviceable. The dash is mint with no cracks! The car has 170,000 miles on it. It was owned by a friend who drove it every day until the starter failed about 2 months ago. It had just gotten new fluids prior to being parked. I checked the air cleaner housing for signs of blowby, and it looked pretty dry. Popped the oil fill and felt the cam lobes for signs of wear (ridges, etc) and they felt good. To be honest, I have seen cars listed for more than twice the price of this one, and they haven't been any better. At this point I have told him that I'd like to see it running and make sure that the sunroof, windows, etc. work. If it's running well and most of these things are good, I think I will buy it. Now the big question is, where can I get good deals on seals and other misc parts this car likely needs? Has anyone had any luck with the local "express" auto glass places? I know that using OEM parts is a good idea, but I went through more windshields in my '84 TD that in all my other cars combined (3 for the TD, 0 for everything else), so I have to wonder if their glass isn't so hot. So, any recommendations on parts? Thanks, J.B. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 11:17:03 -0400 From: "J.B. Hebert" Subject: RE: Looking for a car - SCORE! The door seals like fine, it's just the window seals that seem iffy. I'll check out Robert's prices and see what I can find. This particular vehicle has manual mirrors on both sides, which is rather unusual. Thanks, J.B. Hebert At 11:10 AM 6/6/2003 -0400, you wrote: >The major 300 CD door seals are very expensive no matter where you get >them. The best prices I could find are from Robert at EEC, 1800 259-1125 >("bigbabbo" on ebay). The rear panels are a PIA to remove and the rear >power windows are a similar pain to get at and fix. Otherwise, once sorted >out the 123 300CD is a real joy to drive and very pretty to boot. How's >the PS power mirror? Those can be pricy as well. > > > > > > "J.B. > Hebert" > > diesel-benz-at-digest.net > om> cc: > > Sent by: Subject: RE: Looking for > a car - SCORE! > owner-diesel-benz > > -at-digest.net > > > > > > 06/06/03 09:23 > AM > > > > > > > > >So, it looks like the message bemoaning my inability to find a car paid >off. Not 15 minutes after I posted it, I ran across an ad for an '83 300CD > >in the local paper. "Engine great, body good" is all it says. But the >price is right ($1500). I call the guy up and yes, he still has it. It >needs a starter motor, which he has and will put in for me. I make an >appointment to see it that night, even without the starter. Obviously not >expecting much for $1500, we show up and he's got 2 300CD's is his >driveway. The red '84 is his daily driver (good sign). He's under the >silver '83 trying to put the new starter in. I look the car over, trying >to find something on it that makes it look like a bad purchase, but I >can't. The paint is faded and the windshield is cracked. Some of the >seals are dryrotted. But the body is solid, with a couple very small rust >spots on the passenger's side. Inside, black MB tex (never seen the >silver/black combo... usually silver/blue, but I like the silver black) has > >worn like nails except for the left bolster on the driver's seat, which >looks like it had a bite taken out of it. The vinyl under the driver's >rear side window is starting to come away. The glovebox is held closed >with tape. Otherwise, the interior is very serviceable. The dash is mint >with no cracks! The car has 170,000 miles on it. It was owned by a friend > >who drove it every day until the starter failed about 2 months ago. It had > >just gotten new fluids prior to being parked. I checked the air cleaner >housing for signs of blowby, and it looked pretty dry. Popped the oil fill > >and felt the cam lobes for signs of wear (ridges, etc) and they felt >good. To be honest, I have seen cars listed for more than twice the price >of this one, and they haven't been any better. At this point I have told >him that I'd like to see it running and make sure that the sunroof, >windows, etc. work. If it's running well and most of these things are >good, I think I will buy it. Now the big question is, where can I get good > >deals on seals and other misc parts this car likely needs? Has anyone had >any luck with the local "express" auto glass places? I know that using OEM > >parts is a good idea, but I went through more windshields in my '84 TD that > >in all my other cars combined (3 for the TD, 0 for everything else), so I >have to wonder if their glass isn't so hot. > >So, any recommendations on parts? > >Thanks, > >J.B. ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #1058 **********************************