From: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net (diesel-benz-digest) To: diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Subject: diesel-benz-digest V1 #1066 Reply-To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net Sender: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Errors-To: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Precedence: bulk diesel-benz-digest Friday, June 13 2003 Volume 01 : Number 1066 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: diesel-benz-digest V1 #1065 Diesel VWs RE: 300D axle questions Re: 300D axle questions Re: Diesel VWs Re: Diesel VWs Re: diesel-benz-digest V1 #1065 Re: diesel-benz-digest V1 #1065 RE: diesel-benz-digest V1 #1065 RE: Diesel VWs Re: diesel-benz-digest V1 #1065 Re: Diesel VWs Re: diesel-benz-digest V1 #1065 Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 06:55:39 -0700 From: john Subject: Re: diesel-benz-digest V1 #1065 At 08:24 AM 6/13/2003 +0000, diesel-benz-digest wrote: > > Anyhow I am cruising around the parking garage looking for rabbits to > get a > > clue. I do not know what I am going to tell the cops I am doing if I get > > questioned. :) > > Oh I know..... > > > > "Be vewy vewy qwiet, I am hunting wabbits.......hahahahaha" ;) :) Problem is I say a '91 or so 300D with the 2.5L TD... smoke silver... I'm hooked... I'm looking... Need to sell the '87 XJ, the '80 300CD, and the '85 190D... may also sell the "new" '91 XJ I bought for my wife that she doesn't like.... commute is less then an hour, about 22 miles... still ugly... gotta run... :) don't like my new job much... too much politics not enough technical... argghhhh... I'm a unix sys admin, not a configuration manager... but a job is a job, and I'm learning that most jobs really stink... I miss my old job, but not the company or my boss... oh well, life is tough all over... ;) my 190D is back in the shop... they fixed the fan and a/c (mostly) but then the glow plugs wouldn't come on... ;) and Kevin is right... no time for the creation of Frankenstein's. :) later, john - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... Jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 12:39:38 -0500 From: "Black, Waylon" Subject: Diesel VWs The 1.9 is not a 'bolt in'? I have seen pics and the bell housings/blocks look the same. What is the HP difference between the 1.9 TDs and the 1.6 TDs? Does the 1.9 share the 'long life' rep that the 1.5/1.6 has? I thought about finding a 1.9 but I saw a HP rating of 72. Can't justify the price difference. I pulled an 81 caddy from a junkyard(it actually ran - $200) and the thing has plenty of pep(for a NA diesel). The torque curve is nice and flat. I wish the Audi 5 cylinder diesel shared the same bellhousing - there would be one in my minivan(using parts from the 1.7 Omni/Horizons). Waylon - -----Original Message----- From: Vernon Tuck [mailto:vtuck-at-tucklings.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 8:27 PM To: Derickam AA; diesel-benz-at-digest.net Subject: Re: going digest mode... selling the '80 300CD Derick, I have a fleet of pesky wabbits, including a pickup. Not to stick my nose where it doesn't belong (but to stick my nose where it doesn't belong...) give due consideration to dropping a 1.6 turbodiesel into your pickup rather than going to a 1.9. When last I looked (actually I bought one!) a VW factory rebuilt 1.6 TD was about $1600 PROVIDED you had a core to turn in. With that engine, a new or rebuilt turbo, and manifolds from an A1 Jetta, the swap is a bolt-up retrofit. You will find it to be entirely satisfactory in the pep department. It is a far cheaper and easier retrofit than the 1.9 swap. VT - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Derickam AA" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 8:48 PM Subject: Re : going digest mode... selling the '80 300CD > Well there is good and bad that John is employed. > > Good: He has a job and will be able to meet his family obligations. > > Bad: The reflector traffic drops. (been a couple of days and I already miss > ya.) > > ;) > > Anyhow, a couple of days ago I received re-payment of a loan and was once > again in possession of a slush fund. Having recently sold my 190d to Kevin > created a vacuum. Nature abhors a vacuum so this attracted a 1981 VW Caddy > (pickup) Diesel to the fleet. It is the first vehicle I have bought in a > long time that was turn key and not a project. I am sure I will be searching > for a 1.9L turbo diesel for the little guy. It was a good compromise. I can > haul stuff, get great mileage and be able to talk intelligently with my > father about the VW 1.6L diesel engine. Plus I will not be tempted to buy > another 190d.(yeah right) :) > > Someone has put fancy low profile rims and tires on the car and I want to > switch back to stock. Does anyone know what size the 80's rabbits had for > stock rims? Think they are 13 inch but I am not sure since I do not have a > stock rim. > > Anyhow I am cruising around the parking garage looking for rabbits to get a > clue. I do not know what I am going to tell the cops I am doing if I get > questioned. :) > > Oh I know..... > > "Be vewy vewy qwiet, I am hunting wabbits.......hahahahaha" ;) > > > Derick Amburgey > Automated Control Specialist > Port Of Seattle/SeaTac Airport/Satellite Train System > Amateur Radio Callsign: K7DXX > List "Mom" of Diesel-Benz reflector > 1985 Mercedes 190D "Tuti" 280,000 Mi > 1984 Mercedes 190D "Charity" 160,000 Mi > 1981 Volkswagen Caddy 1.6L 66,000 Mi > > _________________________________________________________________ > STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 12:42:42 -0500 From: "Black, Waylon" Subject: RE: 300D axle questions Front Wheel Drive Supply(Euless, Texas) O/H mine for $160. Been using them for about 15 years. They don't do the cheapie rebuilds. They also do driveshafts - they have to send the MBs to CA, though. ;( Waylon - -----Original Message----- From: Robert Chase [mailto:beostar-at-sdf.lonestar.org] Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 3:24 AM To: Diesel Benz Subject: 300D axle questions My brothers 300D has already started with some problems. One of his rear axle shafts is popping intermittantly (at least thats what we think is making the noise). I pulled a wheel off and looked and he has a split boot on the upper end that connects into the differential. Checked some prices on Axles and they seem to be about $300-400 each. Im wondering if they can be repacked and have new boots installed or if this is not a good idea. As well we have concluded that the leak in the passengers side floorboard is the A/C water drain. Does anybody know how to get to this drain and where its located? Thanks in advance. Robert Chase ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 12:46:20 -0500 From: DanG Subject: Re: 300D axle questions I just did the CV/Axle on W123 - '81 240D and it was not hard. Clean the crud, loosen the bolts, and have a good hook for the clip inside the diff. Someone here paid $20 for a used axle shaft - I couldn't find one for that cheap. I paid $85 for rebuild at carquest, Rusty charges $240. With poor pay due to poor economy I did the $85 deal - hope it lasts better than you get what you pay for, i.e. $cheap=cheap rebuild. You can buy the cans that enclose the CV but it requires a special tool to close the cans again (annular joint). That is unless you have the axles that have the bolt up (kinetic) CV - and there my knowledge stops. Dan ChicagoArea > My brothers 300D has already started with some problems. One of his > rear axle shafts is popping intermittantly (at least thats what we think > is making the noise). I pulled a wheel off and looked and he has a > split boot on the upper end that connects into the differential. > Checked some prices on Axles and they seem to be about $300-400 each. > Im wondering if they can be repacked and have new boots installed or if > this is not a good idea. > > As well we have concluded that the leak in the passengers side > floorboard is the A/C water drain. Does anybody know how to get to this > drain and where its located? > > Thanks in advance. > > Robert Chase ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 14:26:17 CDT From: acordova-at-texas.net Subject: Re: Diesel VWs > The 1.9 is not a 'bolt in'? I have seen pics and the bell housings/blocks > look the same. What is the HP difference between the 1.9 TDs and the 1.6 > TDs? > > Does the 1.9 share the 'long life' rep that the 1.5/1.6 has? I thought about > finding a 1.9 but I saw a HP rating of 72. Can't justify the price > difference. > > I pulled an 81 caddy from a junkyard(it actually ran - $200) and the thing > has plenty of pep(for a NA diesel). The torque curve is nice and flat. > > I wish the Audi 5 cylinder diesel shared the same bellhousing - there would > be one in my minivan(using parts from the 1.7 Omni/Horizons). > > Waylon > You're definitely among the current leaders in the race to identify Dr. Frankendiesel. ;-) Alec 89 300CE, 158K, virtually bone stock ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 13:31:56 -0700 From: Kevin Pekarek Subject: Re: Diesel VWs On Fri, Jun 13, 2003 at 02:26:17PM -0500, acordova-at-texas.net wrote: > You're definitely among the current leaders in the race to identify Dr. > Frankendiesel. ;-) In that case, I ain't workin on the pacer anytime soon. This is a race I don't want to be a part of :) K - -- Kevin Pekarek Redwood City, CA (near San Francisco) and Los Osos, CA (near San Luis Obispo) 77 Pacer wagon (perkins 4.154M, saab turbo, AOD) 85 190D (2.2, 5spd) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 13:40:07 -0700 From: Kevin Pekarek Subject: Re: diesel-benz-digest V1 #1065 On Fri, Jun 13, 2003 at 06:55:39AM -0700, john wrote: > :) Problem is I say a '91 or so 300D with the 2.5L TD... smoke silver... > I'm hooked... I'm looking... Need to sell the '87 XJ, the '80 300CD, > and the '85 190D... may also sell the "new" '91 XJ I bought for my > wife that she doesn't like.... she doesn't like the new XJ? sounds like you're in the market for a WJ :) I've tripped over a few w124 diesels, and have tried to not drive them (and so far have succeeded) cause I don't need another car right now. If you do go hunting, check NADA and kelley blue book, and beware the bargain benz. > commute is less then an hour, about 22 miles... still ugly... gotta > run... :) don't like my new job much... too much politics not enough > technical... argghhhh... I'm a unix sys admin, not a configuration > manager... yeah, but like I told you, you could go in there and own the place. people don't expect config mgrs to know unix, which is unfortunate, cause they should. hope the political BS goes away though. > oh well, life is tough all over... ;) that it is. oddly enough, there are signs things are turning around. US Dept of Commerce reports a rise in retail sales that hasn't happened in a while, and the first tech IPO of the year happened yesterday. And people were buying the stock too. > my 190D is back in the shop... they fixed the fan and a/c (mostly) but > then the glow plugs wouldn't come on... ;) *cough* keep the 190D *cough* :) > and Kevin is right... no time for the creation of Frankenstein's. :) hehehe... but I'm sure you'll still think of them :) K - -- Kevin Pekarek Redwood City, CA (near San Francisco) and Los Osos, CA (near San Luis Obispo) 85 190D (2.2, 5spd) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 14:29:56 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: diesel-benz-digest V1 #1065 On Fri, 13 Jun 2003, Kevin Pekarek wrote: >-->she doesn't like the new XJ? sounds like you're in the market for a WJ :) yep. >-->yeah, but like I told you, you could go in there and own the place. people >-->don't expect config mgrs to know unix, which is unfortunate, cause they should. >-->hope the political BS goes away though. well, they require windoze too... pretty typical >-->> oh well, life is tough all over... ;) >-->that it is. oddly enough, there are signs things are turning around. US Dept of >-->Commerce reports a rise in retail sales that hasn't happened in a while, and >-->the first tech IPO of the year happened yesterday. And people were buying the >-->stock too. yeah, I'm hoping to find something closer... >-->*cough* keep the 190D *cough* :) we'll see... :) john >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** john-at-wagoneers.com via PINE on Linux ** (plain text please!) ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. ...and remember, leaving life without Jesus just isn't recommended... - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 15:37:07 -0600 From: scott_haaland-at-agilent.com Subject: RE: diesel-benz-digest V1 #1065 John, When you're ready to part with the 190D, just let me know....now that you've got all the bugs worked out, I'd be happy to take it off your hands :) R, scott - -----Original Message----- From: john [mailto:john-at-wagoneers.com] Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 2:30 PM To: Kevin Pekarek Cc: diesel-benz-at-digest.net Subject: Re: diesel-benz-digest V1 #1065 On Fri, 13 Jun 2003, Kevin Pekarek wrote: >-->she doesn't like the new XJ? sounds like you're in the market for a WJ :) yep. >-->yeah, but like I told you, you could go in there and own the place. people >-->don't expect config mgrs to know unix, which is unfortunate, cause they should. >-->hope the political BS goes away though. well, they require windoze too... pretty typical >-->> oh well, life is tough all over... ;) >-->that it is. oddly enough, there are signs things are turning around. US Dept of >-->Commerce reports a rise in retail sales that hasn't happened in a while, and >-->the first tech IPO of the year happened yesterday. And people were buying the >-->stock too. yeah, I'm hoping to find something closer... >-->*cough* keep the 190D *cough* :) we'll see... :) john >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** john-at-wagoneers.com via PINE on Linux ** (plain text please!) ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. ...and remember, leaving life without Jesus just isn't recommended... - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 16:38:59 -0500 From: "Black, Waylon" Subject: RE: Diesel VWs Ouch! LOL Can you blame me? With a dreaded(now dead) 2.6 - I'd give up the 20 hp to have a 35-40 mpg minivan for our long trips. The gas(V6 or turbo 4) versions get 18-20. A wagon is not the same - if you ever have to drive 15-16 hours, you will appreciate being able to get up and move around(as long as your not the driver). Tried splitting the drive over 2 days - kids that sleep when driving refuse to go to sleep when stopped - unless threatened with bodily harm. ;) Of course Chrysler offers a 140 HP diesel minivan in Europe. Made of unobtainium in the US and probably on intergalactic back order, as well. Waylon - -----Original Message----- From: acordova-at-texas.net [mailto:acordova-at-texas.net] Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 2:26 PM To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net Subject: Re: Diesel VWs > > I pulled an 81 caddy from a junkyard(it actually ran - $200) and the thing > has plenty of pep(for a NA diesel). The torque curve is nice and flat. > > I wish the Audi 5 cylinder diesel shared the same bellhousing - there would > be one in my minivan(using parts from the 1.7 Omni/Horizons). > > Waylon > You're definitely among the current leaders in the race to identify Dr. Frankendiesel. ;-) Alec 89 300CE, 158K, virtually bone stock ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 14:43:38 -0700 From: Kevin Pekarek Subject: Re: diesel-benz-digest V1 #1065 On Fri, Jun 13, 2003 at 03:37:07PM -0600, scott_haaland-at-agilent.com wrote: > When you're ready to part with the 190D, just let me know....now that you've > got all the bugs worked out, I'd be happy to take it off your hands :) that's why I keep telling him to keep it. I've actually *SEEN* it, when I was in WA last month picking up my 190D from Derick. His 190D is extremely clean and extremely straight. He got the leaky injector problem fixed, the leaky injector line fixed, the pump timed correctly, the seats swapped, sunroof fixed, the lock cylinder fixed... now he's getting the A/C fixed and the glow plugs fixed. there's not going to be anything else that car needs for quite some time (except diesel and oil) once he gets it back. maybe that's just it, he doesn't want a car that doesn't need something :) I agree with Derick though... once he gets that car sorted, he'll like it. w201 diesels are contagious :) K - -- Kevin Pekarek Redwood City, CA (near San Francisco) and Los Osos, CA (near San Luis Obispo) 85 190D (2.2, 5spd) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 14:47:43 -0700 From: Kevin Pekarek Subject: Re: Diesel VWs On Fri, Jun 13, 2003 at 04:38:59PM -0500, Black, Waylon wrote: > Can you blame me? With a dreaded(now dead) 2.6 - I'd give up the 20 hp to > have a 35-40 mpg minivan for our long trips. The gas(V6 or turbo 4) versions > get 18-20. A wagon is not the same - if you ever have to drive 15-16 hours, > you will appreciate being able to get up and move around(as long as your not > the driver). Tried splitting the drive over 2 days - kids that sleep when > driving refuse to go to sleep when stopped - unless threatened with bodily > harm. ;) I hear ya. One of these days, I am going to pick up a van conversion with a shot engine, put four wheel drive under it, and a turbodiesel under the hood for dragging cars about in comfort. :) Almost snagged the van chassis too, an 80 quadravan with a 460 (though some metal was appearing in the oil pan), it had 35" tires, 4.56s, and a detroit locker out back. Only 14 bolts hold an econoline to the frame. That, some minor wiring, and brake lines, and I'd have it done. That van would have rocked with a chipped powerstroke :) :) :) K - -- Kevin Pekarek Redwood City, CA (near San Francisco) and Los Osos, CA (near San Luis Obispo) 85 190D (2.2, 5spd) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 14:53:19 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: diesel-benz-digest V1 #1065 On Fri, 13 Jun 2003, Kevin Pekarek wrote: >-->On Fri, Jun 13, 2003 at 03:37:07PM -0600, scott_haaland-at-agilent.com wrote: >-->> When you're ready to part with the 190D, just let me know....now that you've >-->> got all the bugs worked out, I'd be happy to take it off your hands :) Make me an offer... I'm buried in wheels right now. :) Have two XJ's, two Diesel Benz... :) >--> >-->that's why I keep telling him to keep it. I've actually *SEEN* it, when I was >-->in WA last month picking up my 190D from Derick. His 190D is extremely clean >-->and extremely straight. He got the leaky injector problem fixed, the leaky >-->injector line fixed, the pump timed correctly, the seats swapped, sunroof >-->fixed, the lock cylinder fixed... now he's getting the A/C fixed and the >-->glow plugs fixed. there's not going to be anything else that car needs for >-->quite some time (except diesel and oil) once he gets it back. true... oh, wait, the right front speaker wire isn't connected, and the external temp thing isn't working... :( >-->maybe that's just it, he doesn't want a car that doesn't need something :) >--> >-->I agree with Derick though... once he gets that car sorted, he'll like it. w201 >-->diesels are contagious :) I don't know, it's ok... I remember being much closer to my 123. If the 300CD grows on my I may look for another one with a turbo... the '90's vintage 300D looks nice too, the 124 chassis is excellent also. john ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** john-at-wagoneers.com via PINE on Linux ** (plain text please!) ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. ...and remember, leaving life without Jesus just isn't recommended... - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #1066 **********************************