From: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net (diesel-benz-digest) To: diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Subject: diesel-benz-digest V1 #1078 Reply-To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net Sender: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Errors-To: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Precedence: bulk diesel-benz-digest Monday, June 23 2003 Volume 01 : Number 1078 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: tach & cruise RE: tach & cruise Re: tach & cruise RE: tach & cruise RE: tach & cruise RE: tach & cruise Need replacement key for a 1981 240 D Re: Need replacement key for a 1981 240 D RE: tach & cruise Re: Need replacement key for a 1981 240 D Re: What to do with your old phone books? (Off topic) Re: first aid kits Tach ID Re: first aid kits RE: What to do with your old phone books? (Off topic) Re: What to do with your old phone books? (Off topic) Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 06:30:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Anaeis N Subject: tach & cruise What's a good tach reading for an '82 CD? I'm getting 1500 at 30 mph, 2500 at 55 mph, and over 3000 at 70 mph. I've never really paid attention before, but these seem too high. Also, I'm having trouble learning to set cruise control. Any pointers? Can the mechanism malfunction in a way that's dangerous? Thanks, RW SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 09:39:21 -0400 From: "Aimino, Michael" Subject: RE: tach & cruise The tach seems about right to me. The cruise control: lift the handle up to set and to accelerate, push it down to slow down, push it back to turn it off, pull it toward you to resume the previous setting. I only had one malfunction that gave me a scare: in my 300SD, I had the cruise set to 70 mph on the 4 lane. I tapped my brakes to turn it off before getting on the local highway. I hit a pothole a few miles later, while on the local road, and the cruise suddenly resumed. I started to accelerate toward the back of a dump truck - luckily, a turbo-diesel isn't any kind of rocket sled. :) - -----Original Message----- From: Anaeis N [mailto:anaeisn-at-yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, June 23, 2003 9:30 AM To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net Subject: tach & cruise What's a good tach reading for an '82 CD? I'm getting 1500 at 30 mph, 2500 at 55 mph, and over 3000 at 70 mph. I've never really paid attention before, but these seem too high. Also, I'm having trouble learning to set cruise control. Any pointers? Can the mechanism malfunction in a way that's dangerous? Thanks, RW SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 10:20:27 -0400 From: "Jim Steere" Subject: Re: tach & cruise I hit a pothole a few miles later, while on the local > road, Pothole? Eh? I've driven on your roads, Mike. If those are "potholes".....watch out for "craters" in Michigan. They are typically marked with front suspension components on the shoulders nearby. Those wouldn't even qualify as a "bump" here. Jim ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 10:37:19 -0400 From: "Aimino, Michael" Subject: RE: tach & cruise True, true. I've driven through Michigan. Heck, I bit my tongue once from hitting a "crater" in Detroit - drew blood. It's all relative. ;-> - -----Original Message----- From: Jim Steere [mailto:jim-at-msdra.com] Sent: Monday, June 23, 2003 10:20 AM To: Aimino, Michael; diesel-benz-at-digest.net Subject: Re: tach & cruise I hit a pothole a few miles later, while on the local > road, Pothole? Eh? I've driven on your roads, Mike. If those are "potholes".....watch out for "craters" in Michigan. They are typically marked with front suspension components on the shoulders nearby. Those wouldn't even qualify as a "bump" here. Jim ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 09:38:07 CDT From: acordova-at-texas.net Subject: RE: tach & cruise I second the All Clear on the tach reading. Welcomne to diesel Benzes, and Benzes in general. This gearing provides responsive behavior on the highway from only 120 or 130 hp in a 3500 pound car. And that turbodiesel has a lovely intake sound at about 70. The cruise control is known to die. Failure symptoms, aside from obviously just not working at all, include surging and cutouts. Even when failing, the system will usually respond to holding the stalk up by increasing the speed. It just may not hold that speed when you let go of the stalk. If it's working right, there is no separate "Arm the Cruise Control" switch like many US or Asian cars. Cruise is available at all times above about 25mph. You can set your desired speed either by tapping the stalk up or down. You can increase or decrease the set speed by tapping or holding the stalk up or down, respectively. Tapping the brakes will disengage cruise, or you can disengage it by hand by pushing the stalk away. To re-engage cruise at the last set speed, pull the stalk toward you. I prefer several aspects of the MB system to that used in other cars. I like not having to find a master Cruise On switch. I like being able to set the speed by tapping either up or down. (I find that setting it by tapping up sometimes adds a mile or two to your speed, but tapping down consistently holds my current speed.) I really enjoy being able to disengage the system without having to tap the brakes. If you don't have an owner's manual, you can often find them on eBay, and you can still get brand new copies from 1-800-FOR-MERC. Alec Cordova Taylor, Texas 89 300CE, 159K previous 85 300D as reference for your tach reading > The tach seems about right to me. > > The cruise control: lift the handle up to set and to accelerate, push it down > to slow down, push it back to turn it off, pull it toward you to resume the > previous setting. > > I only had one malfunction that gave me a scare: in my 300SD, I had the cruise > set to 70 mph on the 4 lane. I tapped my brakes to turn it off before getting > on the local highway. I hit a pothole a few miles later, while on the local > road, and the cruise suddenly resumed. I started to accelerate toward the back > of a dump truck - luckily, a turbo-diesel isn't any kind of rocket sled. :) > > -----Original Message----- > From: Anaeis N [mailto:anaeisn-at-yahoo.com] > Sent: Monday, June 23, 2003 9:30 AM > To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net > Subject: tach & cruise > > > What's a good tach reading for an '82 CD? I'm getting 1500 at 30 mph, 2500 at > 55 mph, and over 3000 at 70 mph. I've never really paid attention before, but > these seem too high. > > Also, I'm having trouble learning to set cruise control. Any pointers? Can the > mechanism malfunction in a way that's dangerous? > > Thanks, > RW > SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 11:05:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Anaeis N Subject: RE: tach & cruise I'll try tapping down instead of up. Should it be a tap, or do I have to hold it there? And how should I coordinate it with removing my foot from the accelerator? When I tried setting it up with up motion, it kept accelerating, so I got scared and left it alone. Thanks, RW acordova-at-texas.net wrote: I second the All Clear on the tach reading. Welcomne to diesel Benzes, and Benzes in general. This gearing provides responsive behavior on the highway from only 120 or 130 hp in a 3500 pound car. And that turbodiesel has a lovely intake sound at about 70. The cruise control is known to die. Failure symptoms, aside from obviously just not working at all, include surging and cutouts. Even when failing, the system will usually respond to holding the stalk up by increasing the speed. It just may not hold that speed when you let go of the stalk. If it's working right, there is no separate "Arm the Cruise Control" switch like many US or Asian cars. Cruise is available at all times above about 25mph. You can set your desired speed either by tapping the stalk up or down. You can increase or decrease the set speed by tapping or holding the stalk up or down, respectively. Tapping the brakes will disengage cruise, or you can disengage it by hand by pushing the stalk away. To re-engage cruise at the last set speed, pull the stalk toward you. I prefer several aspects of the MB system to that used in other cars. I like not having to find a master Cruise On switch. I like being able to set the speed by tapping either up or down. (I find that setting it by tapping up sometimes adds a mile or two to your speed, but tapping down consistently holds my current speed.) I really enjoy being able to disengage the system without having to tap the brakes. If you don't have an owner's manual, you can often find them on eBay, and you can still get brand new copies from 1-800-FOR-MERC. Alec Cordova Taylor, Texas 89 300CE, 159K previous 85 300D as reference for your tach reading > The tach seems about right to me. > > The cruise control: lift the handle up to set and to accelerate, push it down > to slow down, push it back to turn it off, pull it toward you to resume the > previous setting. > > I only had one malfunction that gave me a scare: in my 300SD, I had the cruise > set to 70 mph on the 4 lane. I tapped my brakes to turn it off before getting > on the local highway. I hit a pothole a few miles later, while on the local > road, and the cruise suddenly resumed. I started to accelerate toward the back > of a dump truck - luckily, a turbo-diesel isn't any kind of rocket sled. :) > > -----Original Message----- > From: Anaeis N [mailto:anaeisn-at-yahoo.com] > Sent: Monday, June 23, 2003 9:30 AM > To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net > Subject: tach & cruise > > > What's a good tach reading for an '82 CD? I'm getting 1500 at 30 mph, 2500 at > 55 mph, and over 3000 at 70 mph. I've never really paid attention before, but > these seem too high. > > Also, I'm having trouble learning to set cruise control. Any pointers? Can the > mechanism malfunction in a way that's dangerous? > > Thanks, > RW > SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 13:31:54 -0500 From: "Black, Waylon" Subject: Need replacement key for a 1981 240 D Bought a 1981 240D for cheap. Go to pick up the car and the owner had lost the key. Can I give the VIN to the dealer and get a replacement? Car has only 157K miles and is in great shape, complete with maintenance records(even had the 1st aid kit - gasp!). It did not help that the wheels were turned to the right with the steering wheel locked. Made great fun getting it loaded onto the dolly. ;) Can the lock be removed(without destroying anything) without the key? Thanks, Waylon Dallas, Texas ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 14:18:54 CDT From: acordova-at-texas.net Subject: Re: Need replacement key for a 1981 240 D > Bought a 1981 240D for cheap. Go to pick up the car and the owner had lost > the key. Can I give the VIN to the dealer and get a replacement? Car has > only 157K miles and is in great shape, complete with maintenance > records(even had the 1st aid kit - gasp!). It did not help that the wheels > were turned to the right with the steering wheel locked. Made great fun > getting it loaded onto the dolly. ;) > > Can the lock be removed(without destroying anything) without the key? > > Thanks, > Waylon > Dallas, Texas > Of course, you should expect to provide documentation proving ownership, but you should be able to go to the dealer with the VIN. Last I heard, they can get you new key(s) within a week or so. And based on the discussions we've had when ignition locks stop turning, I don't believe you can easily remove the ignition lock without the key. The first aid kit may still be there, but any original contents have probably expired after 22 years in Texas. Good luck, Alec ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 14:23:25 CDT From: acordova-at-texas.net Subject: RE: tach & cruise > I'll try tapping down instead of up. > > Should it be a tap, or do I have to hold it there? And how should I coordinate it with removing my foot from the accelerator? > > When I tried setting it up with up motion, it kept accelerating, so I got scared and left it alone. > > Thanks, > RW > Just a tap is supposed to be fine. If you hold the lever up, the car should accelerate until you let go, then hold that speed. I usually hold it up for half a second to a second when I set it, just to make sure it heard me. Then again, that's probably why I find myself using the Down side to set cruise speed. Alec ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 12:24:41 -0700 From: Kevin Pekarek Subject: Re: Need replacement key for a 1981 240 D On Mon, Jun 23, 2003 at 02:18:54PM -0500, acordova-at-texas.net wrote: > Of course, you should expect to provide documentation proving ownership, but > you should be able to go to the dealer with the VIN. Last I heard, they can > get you new key(s) within a week or so. > > And based on the discussions we've had when ignition locks stop turning, I > don't believe you can easily remove the ignition lock without the key. And, of course, this implies that your car has the original lock cylinder in the ignition. My 190D does not. I should probably get my tail over to the MB dealer to get the keys duplicated before I do something stupid. :) > The first aid kit may still be there, but any original contents have probably > expired after 22 years in Texas. How difficult is it to get new first aid kits? Can they be bought somewhere, or am I stuck looking on ebay? K - -- Kevin Pekarek Redwood City, CA (near San Francisco) and Los Osos, CA (near San Luis Obispo) 85 190D (601, 5spd) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 13:27:19 -0700 From: Dan J Subject: Re: What to do with your old phone books? (Off topic) It's been a while, so you have to forgive me for the off topic post. If you don't like it, tell me privately. At 10:40 PM 6/22/2003 -0400, Robert Chase wrote: >While my broken drivers seat was out I noticed a way to recycle some >obsolete technolgy that the phone company kills tree's over. If you have more phone books you don't know what to do with, find a box that will stand them up, make sure you have enough of them so they are about14"-18" deep, soak them with water, and shoot hollow point bullets in them. The bullets look cool after they expand in the soaked paper. DieselDan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 16:15:17 CDT From: acordova-at-texas.net Subject: Re: first aid kits > How difficult is it to get new first aid kits? Can they be bought somewhere, > or am I stuck looking on ebay? > > K > Ok. We're just talking about 123 and 201 bodies, so we shouldn't be looking for concours-quality first aid kit replacements. (Although I imagine the dealer could help out with that.) Just use the well marked storage space for whatever cheapy CostCo first aid kit that will fit. Or use the space for a subwoofer, and stuff a first aid kit in one of the trunk cubbies. Alec ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 17:10:09 -0400 From: Michael Frank Subject: Tach ID Does anyone know if there's a difference between the tachs used in 190E's and 190D's? I bought the tach segment of a dashboard to repair my clock. It would be easier if I could just drop the whole thing in, rather than having to swap clocks, but I'm not sure about the tach. There are no identifying numbers as far as I can tell. Mike Frank ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 17:34:54 -0400 From: Robert Chase Subject: Re: first aid kits My Volvo did not come with a first aid kit. I bought one at Walmart that was in an aluminum tube. Its probably still in the back package shelf storage space where ever it is now :). Volvo's (at least the S70's that I was used to driving) did not come with a first aid kit. Guess they expected you to walk off the scene of a horrific accident without even a scratch from broken glass. One of my friends (a Volvo driver and a physician) mentioned that most first aid kits go very much unused in vehicles due to the shock of the collision. Most people in collisions that are bleeding are so horrified that their car is mangled and are amazed to be alive. By the time they even realize they are bleeding help is already there. Although mine is probably 20 years old. Im really glad its in there. Perhaps the bandaids wont stick anymore but im sure that the gauze is still good :). Robert. acordova-at-texas.net wrote: >>How difficult is it to get new first aid kits? Can they be bought somewhere, >>or am I stuck looking on ebay? >> >>K >> >> >> > >Ok. We're just talking about 123 and 201 bodies, so we shouldn't be looking for >concours-quality first aid kit replacements. (Although I imagine the dealer >could help out with that.) Just use the well marked storage space for whatever >cheapy CostCo first aid kit that will fit. > >Or use the space for a subwoofer, and stuff a first aid kit in one of the trunk >cubbies. > >Alec ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 16:15:57 -0600 From: Subject: RE: What to do with your old phone books? (Off topic) Hey Diesel Dan....where's the tag line: "DieselDan shooting up phonebooks so I can look at bullet fragments in 'Where-ever you are', America!" Haven't heard a good one like that in a while---what's up buddy? :) Scott - -----Original Message----- From: Dan J [mailto:danjsb-at-starband.net] Sent: Monday, June 23, 2003 1:27 PM To: Diesel Benz Subject: Re: What to do with your old phone books? (Off topic) It's been a while, so you have to forgive me for the off topic post. If you don't like it, tell me privately. At 10:40 PM 6/22/2003 -0400, Robert Chase wrote: >While my broken drivers seat was out I noticed a way to recycle some >obsolete technolgy that the phone company kills tree's over. If you have more phone books you don't know what to do with, find a box that will stand them up, make sure you have enough of them so they are about14"-18" deep, soak them with water, and shoot hollow point bullets in them. The bullets look cool after they expand in the soaked paper. DieselDan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 16:00:05 -0700 From: "Paul Schwartz" Subject: Re: What to do with your old phone books? (Off topic) I saw a great bumper sticker the other day: "I'm sorry I can't come to work today, the voices in my head told me to stay home and clean my guns." Paul - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Monday, June 23, 2003 3:15 PM Subject: RE: What to do with your old phone books? (Off topic) > Hey Diesel Dan....where's the tag line: "DieselDan shooting up phonebooks so > I can look at bullet fragments in 'Where-ever you are', America!" Haven't > heard a good one like that in a while---what's up buddy? > :) Scott > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dan J [mailto:danjsb-at-starband.net] > Sent: Monday, June 23, 2003 1:27 PM > To: Diesel Benz > Subject: Re: What to do with your old phone books? (Off topic) > > > It's been a while, so you have to forgive me for the off topic post. If > you don't like it, tell me privately. > > At 10:40 PM 6/22/2003 -0400, Robert Chase wrote: > >While my broken drivers seat was out I noticed a way to recycle some > >obsolete technolgy that the phone company kills tree's over. > If you have more phone books you don't know what to do with, find a box > that will stand them up, make sure you have enough of them so they are > about14"-18" deep, soak them with water, and shoot hollow point bullets in > them. The bullets look cool after they expand in the soaked paper. > > DieselDan ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #1078 **********************************