From: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net (diesel-benz-digest) To: diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Subject: diesel-benz-digest V1 #1079 Reply-To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net Sender: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Errors-To: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Precedence: bulk diesel-benz-digest Tuesday, June 24 2003 Volume 01 : Number 1079 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: first aid kits Re: What to do with your old phone books? (Off topic) Re: Tach ID First aid "soft pack" for 190D and others Re: Tach ID Re: first aid kits Re: first aid kits Re: Tach ID Re: first aid kits Re: Tach ID Re: Tach ID Re: Tach ID Re: first aid kits Re: Tach ID Was First Aid kit (trick two) Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 16:23:25 -0700 (PDT) From: hue wong Subject: Re: first aid kits I always pull the kits and put my handgun in there, I have found it's much better for emergancies ;-) It also throws the state police off and is a handy size for a 9mm and a couple of 20 round clips.. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 16:24:45 -0700 (PDT) From: hue wong Subject: Re: What to do with your old phone books? (Off topic) But the voices DO tell me to stay home and clean the rifles... Sometimes they tell me to climb up clock towers too, but I'm afraid of hieghts... - --- Paul Schwartz wrote: > I saw a great bumper sticker the other day: > > "I'm sorry I can't come to work today, > the voices in my head told me to > stay home and clean my guns." > > Paul > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: ; > Sent: Monday, June 23, 2003 3:15 PM > Subject: RE: What to do with your old phone books? > (Off topic) > > > > Hey Diesel Dan....where's the tag line: > "DieselDan shooting up phonebooks > so > > I can look at bullet fragments in 'Where-ever you > are', America!" Haven't > > heard a good one like that in a while---what's up > buddy? > > :) Scott > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Dan J [mailto:danjsb-at-starband.net] > > Sent: Monday, June 23, 2003 1:27 PM > > To: Diesel Benz > > Subject: Re: What to do with your old phone books? > (Off topic) > > > > > > It's been a while, so you have to forgive me for > the off topic post. If > > you don't like it, tell me privately. > > > > At 10:40 PM 6/22/2003 -0400, Robert Chase wrote: > > >While my broken drivers seat was out I noticed a > way to recycle some > > >obsolete technolgy that the phone company kills > tree's over. > > If you have more phone books you don't know what > to do with, find a box > > that will stand them up, make sure you have enough > of them so they are > > about14"-18" deep, soak them with water, and shoot > hollow point bullets in > > them. The bullets look cool after they expand in > the soaked paper. > > > > DieselDan __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 17:26:44 -0700 From: "Derickam AA" Subject: Re: Tach ID They are different the 190E tach and the 190D. It will not swap over. At least not without modification. I have tried. Just be very carefull pulling off the clock hands when you take it apart and you will be fine. Another tip is to hook it up for 1 hour before installation, to ensure a good 360 degree travel. I had a clock that was slow after the bottom of the hour. :) Good luck. Derick Amburgey Automated Control Specialist Port Of Seattle/SeaTac Airport/Satellite Train System Amateur Radio Callsign: K7DXX List "Mom" of Diesel-Benz reflector 1985 Mercedes 190D "Tuti" 280,000 Mi 1984 Mercedes 190D "Charity" 160,000 Mi 1981 Volkswagen Caddy 1.6L 66,000 Mi - ----Original Message Follows---- From: Michael Frank To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net Subject: Tach ID Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 17:10:09 -0400 Does anyone know if there's a difference between the tachs used in 190E's and 190D's? I bought the tach segment of a dashboard to repair my clock. It would be easier if I could just drop the whole thing in, rather than having to swap clocks, but I'm not sure about the tach. There are no identifying numbers as far as I can tell. Mike Frank _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 17:30:52 -0700 From: "Derickam AA" Subject: First aid "soft pack" for 190D and others First aid kit AKA "Soft Pack" http://www.samstagsales.com/mercedes.htm Pan down to item # Q 4 86 0025 Hope you will never need it. Derick Amburgey Automated Control Specialist Port Of Seattle/SeaTac Airport/Satellite Train System Amateur Radio Callsign: K7DXX List "Mom" of Diesel-Benz reflector 1985 Mercedes 190D "Tuti" 280,000 Mi 1984 Mercedes 190D "Charity" 160,000 Mi 1981 Volkswagen Caddy 1.6L 66,000 Mi - ----Original Message Follows---- From: Kevin Pekarek To: acordova-at-texas.net CC: diesel-benz-at-digest.net Subject: Re: Need replacement key for a 1981 240 D Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 12:24:41 -0700 On Mon, Jun 23, 2003 at 02:18:54PM -0500, acordova-at-texas.net wrote: > Of course, you should expect to provide documentation proving ownership, but > you should be able to go to the dealer with the VIN. Last I heard, they can > get you new key(s) within a week or so. > > And based on the discussions we've had when ignition locks stop turning, I > don't believe you can easily remove the ignition lock without the key. And, of course, this implies that your car has the original lock cylinder in the ignition. My 190D does not. I should probably get my tail over to the MB dealer to get the keys duplicated before I do something stupid. :) > The first aid kit may still be there, but any original contents have probably > expired after 22 years in Texas. How difficult is it to get new first aid kits? Can they be bought somewhere, or am I stuck looking on ebay? K - -- Kevin Pekarek Redwood City, CA (near San Francisco) and Los Osos, CA (near San Luis Obispo) 85 190D (601, 5spd) _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 17:33:20 -0700 From: Kevin Pekarek Subject: Re: Tach ID On Mon, Jun 23, 2003 at 05:26:44PM -0700, Derickam AA wrote: > They are different the 190E tach and the 190D. > It will not swap over. > At least not without modification. > I have tried. > Just be very carefull pulling off the clock hands when you take it apart > and you will be fine. > Another tip is to hook it up for 1 hour before installation, to ensure a > good 360 degree travel. > I had a clock that was slow after the bottom of the hour. :) The main reason it won't work is relatively simple - basically, there is no ignition source to count pulses from, so you need to get more creative with how you find out how fast the engine is turning. Most of the diesel tachs I've seen run off the alternator, since the model of "count pulses and divide" still works from an alternator, just the amount of the division is different. Mercedes (I think) hooked up a hall-effect (I think) sensor somewhere else as a method of making pulses, which if directly on the crank would make the division by less than four (which would make a four banger tach read lower than half of the true engine speed). I haven't spent enough time under the hood of mine to figure out how it works. The tach that was put on the perkins pacer works off the alternator. For those with too much time on your hands, you could probably hook a pot up in series with the tach, and adjust until you get it right, then report the resistance to the list so we can use four banger tachs :) K - -- Kevin Pekarek Redwood City, CA (near San Francisco) and Los Osos, CA (near San Luis Obispo) 85 190D (2.2, 5spd) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 17:37:01 -0700 From: Kevin Pekarek Subject: Re: first aid kits On Mon, Jun 23, 2003 at 04:23:25PM -0700, hue wong wrote: > I always pull the kits and put my handgun in there, I > have found it's much better for emergancies ;-) It > also throws the state police off and is a handy size > for a 9mm and a couple of 20 round clips.. That's a pretty good idea, but the back seat is a bit far to reach for a gun, especially since you can't have them loaded in the car in california. So I guess I'll just keep the booze in the first aid kit and the gun under the driver's seat. :) K (majorly tongue in cheek) - -- Kevin Pekarek Redwood City, CA (near San Francisco) and Los Osos, CA (near San Luis Obispo) 85 190D (2.2, 5spd) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 20:16:36 -0500 From: "Vernon Tuck" Subject: Re: first aid kits I'll just keep the booze in the first aid kit and the gun under the driver's seat. :) Remember the old Chinese proverb: "I'd rather have a bottle in fronta me than a frontal lobotomy". - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Pekarek" To: "hue wong" Cc: "Robert Chase" ; ; Sent: Monday, June 23, 2003 7:37 PM Subject: Re: first aid kits > On Mon, Jun 23, 2003 at 04:23:25PM -0700, hue wong wrote: > > I always pull the kits and put my handgun in there, I > > have found it's much better for emergancies ;-) It > > also throws the state police off and is a handy size > > for a 9mm and a couple of 20 round clips.. > > That's a pretty good idea, but the back seat is a bit far to reach for a gun, > especially since you can't have them loaded in the car in california. So I > guess I'll just keep the booze in the first aid kit and the gun under the > driver's seat. :) > > K (majorly tongue in cheek) > > -- > Kevin Pekarek > Redwood City, CA (near San Francisco) and > Los Osos, CA (near San Luis Obispo) > 85 190D (2.2, 5spd) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 18:36:49 -0700 From: "Derickam AA" Subject: Re: Tach ID >Mercedes (I think) hooked up a hall-effect (I think) sensor somewhere else as a method of making pulses, > Yes on the 190d the sensor is located on the tranny bell housing below the starter. Above the starting flex plate teeth. >For those with too much time on your hands, you could probably hook a pot >up in series with the tach, and adjust until you get it right, then report the resistance to the list so we can use four banger tachs :) > There is a small trim pot on the amplifer board mounted behind the tach maybe this would allow calibration. I did not have the time to mess with it. Derick Amburgey Automated Control Specialist Port Of Seattle/SeaTac Airport/Satellite Train System Amateur Radio Callsign: K7DXX List "Mom" of Diesel-Benz reflector 1985 Mercedes 190D "Tuti" 280,000 Mi 1984 Mercedes 190D "Charity" 160,000 Mi 1981 Volkswagen Caddy 1.6L 66,000 Mi _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 18:41:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Jerome Kaidor Subject: Re: first aid kits Vernon Tuck wrote: > > I'll just keep the booze in the first aid kit and the gun under the > driver's seat. :) > *** Yee ha! Booze & guns & driving! Reminds me of a story in "They Called It Pilot Error" about some good old boys, some shotguns, some bottles, and a small Cessna. They figured they'd go bird hunting up there with the birds.... Fortunately, one of them survived, or we'd have missed a great story :). - Jerry Kaidor ( jerry-at-tr2.com ) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 19:01:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Jerome Kaidor Subject: Re: Tach ID Kevin Pekarek wrote: > > > Most of the diesel tachs I've seen run off the alternator, since the model of > "count pulses and divide" still works from an alternator, just the amount of > the division is different. Mercedes (I think) hooked up a hall-effect (I think) > sensor somewhere else as a method of making pulses, which if directly on the > crank would make the division by less than four (which would make a four banger > tach read lower than half of the true engine speed). *** I've been meaning to look into this. My 300D was victim of an engine swap at some time before I bought it. They put in an engine from an '81 300TD. Which pretty much hosed all the CPU-driven stuff in the car, because the "new" engine had no rack sensor etc. I got a tach amp & sensor from somebody on the Net, it's been sitting in my garage for -urgh - about two years now. I can only look with envy at people who have Free Time :(. - Jerry Kaidor ( jerry-at-tr2.com ) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 22:18:38 -0400 From: Michael Frank Subject: Re: Tach ID >Thanks, guys. Now how can I tell them apart? There doesn't seem to be a >part number. Mike Frank ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 20:44:36 -0700 From: "Derickam AA" Subject: Re: Tach ID Mike, The 190e tach has a redline scale indication at the top end of the scale. The 190d does not because it cannot achieve the top end so the upper end of the scale is just a dream. ;) Derick Amburgey Automated Control Specialist Port Of Seattle/SeaTac Airport/Satellite Train System Amateur Radio Callsign: K7DXX List "Mom" of Diesel-Benz reflector 1985 Mercedes 190D "Tuti" 280,000 Mi 1984 Mercedes 190D "Charity" 160,000 Mi 1981 Volkswagen Caddy 1.6L 66,000 Mi - ----Original Message Follows---- From: Michael Frank To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net Subject: Re: Tach ID Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 22:18:38 -0400 >Thanks, guys. Now how can I tell them apart? There doesn't seem to be a >part number. Mike Frank _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 00:21:15 -0400 From: Robert Chase Subject: Re: first aid kits Heh heh, One of the sales people at Atlanta Classic cars was showing me a recent model S class and the compartment they have at the front of the drivers seat. "This is where you put your pistol" she said when showing us the compatment. When we appeared a little horrified she mentioned that she used to live in texas and that almost everyone there seemed to carry one :). Robert. Vernon Tuck wrote: >I'll just keep the booze in the first aid kit and the gun under the >driver's seat. :) > >Remember the old Chinese proverb: >"I'd rather have a bottle in fronta me than a frontal lobotomy". >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Kevin Pekarek" >To: "hue wong" >Cc: "Robert Chase" ; ; > >Sent: Monday, June 23, 2003 7:37 PM >Subject: Re: first aid kits > > > > >>On Mon, Jun 23, 2003 at 04:23:25PM -0700, hue wong wrote: >> >> >>>I always pull the kits and put my handgun in there, I >>>have found it's much better for emergancies ;-) It >>>also throws the state police off and is a handy size >>>for a 9mm and a couple of 20 round clips.. >>> >>> >>That's a pretty good idea, but the back seat is a bit far to reach for a >> >> >gun, > > >>especially since you can't have them loaded in the car in california. So I >>guess I'll just keep the booze in the first aid kit and the gun under the >>driver's seat. :) >> >>K (majorly tongue in cheek) >> >>-- >>Kevin Pekarek >>Redwood City, CA (near San Francisco) and >>Los Osos, CA (near San Luis Obispo) >>85 190D (2.2, 5spd) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 00:23:52 -0400 From: Michael Frank Subject: Re: Tach ID Well, we can dream, can't we? Mike Frank At 11:44 PM 6/23/03, Derickam AA wrote: >Mike, > >The 190e tach has a redline scale indication at the top end of the scale. > >The 190d does not because it cannot achieve the top end so the upper end >of the scale is just a dream. ;) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 09:15:22 -0700 (PDT) From: hue wong Subject: Was First Aid kit (trick two) Ho.. Guns in cars. (FYI note it is against federal law to transport a loaded gun in a motor vehicle unless properly permitted to carry a conceled weapon. The ammo and the gun must be stored in SPERATE, securable containers) Another good trick, one I learned long ago as a Deputy Sheriff in rual north Idaho, was to cut a small square hole in the drivers side door big enough for your weapon of choice and drill a small hole in the door frame facing backwards out the door. (The 79-80's desiel 240D has a real nice spot for this) Then you can put your gun in there (I've seen some real nice modifications so you would never know there was a "secret compartment" in the drivers door) about at the back end of the arm rest. Then you set your pistol (or sawed off shotgun to be most effective) in the compartment facing backwards towards the rear of the car and place a dealer sticker or some other "offical sticker" over the hole drilled in the back of the door frame so no one can see it, right where the muzzle points out. Then, if someone walks up to the car while you were stopped in traffic to car jack you (Or in allot of cases, when a police man walked up to the side of your car after pulling you over) you can simply open the door a couple of inches, reach over and trigger the gun and clear the back quadrent of your vehicle. Note: Most cops know this trick and will get VERY uneasy, to the point of drawing thier weapon on you if you open the door, while stopped. Always keep your hands visiable on the steering wheel, until they ask you to move. ESPECIALLY here in seattle where the cops are known for shooting first, asking later. But with the comming collapse of civilization, by the comming (insert your favorite catastrophy here ) it might be a good "mad max" trick to know... Anyway, off to get some real work done. - -hue- - --- Robert Chase wrote: > Heh heh, > > One of the sales people at Atlanta Classic cars was > showing me a recent > model S class and the compartment they have at the > front of the drivers > seat. "This is where you put your pistol" she said > when showing us the > compatment. When we appeared a little horrified she > mentioned that she > used to live in texas and that almost everyone there > seemed to carry one :). > > Robert. > > > > Vernon Tuck wrote: > > >I'll just keep the booze in the first aid kit and > the gun under the > >driver's seat. :) > > > >Remember the old Chinese proverb: > >"I'd rather have a bottle in fronta me than a > frontal lobotomy". > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Kevin Pekarek" > >To: "hue wong" > >Cc: "Robert Chase" ; > ; > > > >Sent: Monday, June 23, 2003 7:37 PM > >Subject: Re: first aid kits > > > > > > > > > >>On Mon, Jun 23, 2003 at 04:23:25PM -0700, hue wong > wrote: > >> > >> > >>>I always pull the kits and put my handgun in > there, I > >>>have found it's much better for emergancies ;-) > It > >>>also throws the state police off and is a handy > size > >>>for a 9mm and a couple of 20 round clips.. > >>> > >>> > >>That's a pretty good idea, but the back seat is a > bit far to reach for a > >> > >> > >gun, > > > > > >>especially since you can't have them loaded in the > car in california. So I > >>guess I'll just keep the booze in the first aid > kit and the gun under the > >>driver's seat. :) > >> > >>K (majorly tongue in cheek) > >> > >>-- > >>Kevin Pekarek > >>Redwood City, CA (near San Francisco) and > >>Los Osos, CA (near San Luis Obispo) > >>85 190D (2.2, 5spd) > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #1079 **********************************