From: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net (diesel-benz-digest) To: diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Subject: diesel-benz-digest V1 #1084 Reply-To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net Sender: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Errors-To: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Precedence: bulk diesel-benz-digest Saturday, June 28 2003 Volume 01 : Number 1084 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: 300cd on ebay FW: diesel-benz-digest V1 #1075 the '80 300CD Refrigerant License Re: Mercedes with Cabin Air filters? Re: the '80 300CD Re: the '80 300CD theoretical question :) Re: theoretical question :) Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 20:48:38 -0700 From: john Subject: 300cd on ebay http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2421325907 john - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... Jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 21:09:23 -0700 From: "Jeremy Bowne" Subject: FW: diesel-benz-digest V1 #1075 I am also highly interesting in getting a license online. Mostly for the information, but I'd also like to buy and install my own AC systems. Jeremy Bowne 1980 240D (anyone have a starter they can sell me for $30:) 1980 450SEL - -----Original Message----- From: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of Vernon Tuck Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 7:54 PM To: Sam Williams; Tom Scordato; diesel-benz-at-digest.net; diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Subject: Re: diesel-benz-digest V1 #1075 Hi Sam, As a committed do-it-yourselfer, the idea of getting an a/c license has crossed my mind many times... But I've never looked into it. Are you saying you can get a license on line?? If so, can you point me to any links? Thanks, Vernon http://www.tucklings.com - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sam Williams" <1sam-at-io.com> To: "Tom Scordato" ; ; Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 9:57 PM Subject: RE: diesel-benz-digest V1 #1075 > Tom, > > Recharging is very simple, best done using gauges and charging to > appropriate pressures, output air temp measurement. If you're in > the US, you will need a license to obtain the R-12. You can get > that on-line for maybe $25 after studying the materials and taking a > short test. You can learn useful info in process of getting the > license and the cost, including license, renting tools, freon, etc. > is unlikely to exceed the cost of having a generic AC service place > do it for you. > > Sam > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net > [mailto:owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net]On Behalf Of Tom Scordato > Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 3:28 PM > To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net; diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net > Subject: Re: diesel-benz-digest V1 #1075 > > > Any one have experience recharging York AC compressor for a 1977 123 > chassis, 300D ? > Can you get freon 12 and is it easy to do? > > Thanks Tom Scordato > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "diesel-benz-digest" > To: > Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2003 1:55 PM > Subject: diesel-benz-digest V1 #1075 > > > > > > diesel-benz-digest Saturday, June 21 2003 Volume 01 : Number > 1075 > > > > > > > > Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles > > Derick Amburgey > > Digest Coordinator > > > > Contents: > > > > Re: diesel-benz-digest V1 #1074 > > One more Nash... > > a '91 300D, and the 190D > > > > Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ > > > > Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net > > > > Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net > > > > To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of > > the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address > > than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a > > message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo > > commands. > > > > - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 22:14:13 -0700 > > From: john > > Subject: Re: diesel-benz-digest V1 #1074 > > > > At 05:06 AM 6/20/2003 +0000, diesel-benz-digest wrote: > > >I actually don't like the SX4, but have three eagle wagons (an 80, 81, > and > > >84), > > >so I know all about those. John thinks I'm bonkers, but I prefer the > eagle to > > >the XJ hands down. > > > > the XJ rules... but I wouldn't mind having a Gremlin... I drove > > to the car show in Chicago when they debuted the Gremlin... I > > wanted one... never had one... I doubt I'd find one I'd be mildly > > interested in now though... I don't even like Mustangs any more... > > I've been spoiled with Jeep WJs and Mercedes Diesels. :) and > > of course full size jeeps... > > > > BTW, anyone on the list interested in a Garvin Industries Wilderness > > Rack? It won't ship so it'd have to be someone up in the PNW... I > > just took it off my wife's '91 XJ... wow, that thing wasn't light... :) > > > > later, > > john > > > > > > > > - ------------------------------------------------------------------ > > http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ > > Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... > > Jesus, don't leave life without him, please! > > - - ------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 11:33:05 -0400 > > From: "Jim Hoffman" > > Subject: One more Nash... > > > > I'm not sure what that "administrative" e-mail from John was... > > maybe a hint that this is a Diesel MB list and not a Nash list > > but risking further disiplinary measures here's one more comment > > on Nash: > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=31863& > > item=2419416023 > > > > Jim/ > > > > '83 240D > > NO Nash's ;) > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > My first Nash was an Ambassador '52, FH six, three on the tree ... set > > > me free [sounds like a Bluegrass tune] ... learned how to drive around > > > corners as fast as possible with her ... fun with Sprites! 100MPH > > noted. > > > > > > Had '59 & '61 Ramblecators also ... slow steering, dog slow, reliable > > > as hell! > > > > > > later, > > > rick > > > '70 BMW 2002 > > > '70 MB 220D > > > [had] > > > '52 Nash > > > '49 Studebaker Convertible > > > '53 Studebaker Starlight Coupe > > > '57 Plymouth Fury > > > '61 Rambler > > > '59 Rambler > > > '58 Volvo 444 > > > '57 VW Type2 > > > '66 Dodge A100 [6] > > > '51 Ford F200 > > > (still have Volvo) > > > '63 Ford F100 > > > '66 Dodge A100 [8] > > > (still have Volvo) > > > ... time passes ... > > > (still have Volvo) > > > (still have '66 Dodge A100) > > > rapid progression of VWBugs ... > > > '67, '68, '70, '72 ... > > > (still have '66 Dodge A100) > > > ! My Bimmer! > > > ! My MB! > > > > > > Now I want an ole VW Type2 ... > > > > > > > - -- > > Jim Hoffman > > Oconomowoc WI > > '39 Allis Model B > > '53 Ford Golden Jubilee > > '?? Bolens Huskie Gardener > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 10:54:21 -0700 > > From: john > > Subject: a '91 300D, and the 190D > > > > going to look at a white/gray, tan interior '91 300d with > > the 2.5L TD, 175,000 miles and a new engine because the guy > > had an oil leak and toasted the motor... said it cost him > > $5,500 to have it rebuilt. Anyone heard of Seattle Autosport? > > The guy said that Phil Smart (the benz dealer in Seattle) recommended > > them. Anyway, he's firm at $9,900 for it, nada comes out with > > that being close to average retail... we'll see... :) has a couple > > issues... he's the 2nd owner, the orig owner was a dr. > > > > > http://www3.nadaguides.com/Values/ValueCategoryReport.asp?UserID=540725F 77C3 > F1&DID=37793&wSec=1&wPg=1207&CategoryId=1&MakeId=1115&VehicleId=10207&Ye ar=1 > 991&ColorId= > > > > I found an a/c pump and fan clutch for the 190D, it's coming next > > week... Not sure what to do at this point... not sure I should take > > on a car payment just yet, but if this car is nice it'd probably be > > a good plan. > > > > Any idea of mpg on the '91 300D with the 2.5LTD? > > > > john > > > > - ------------------------------------------------------------------ > > http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ > > Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... > > Jesus, don't leave life without him, please! > > - - ------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #1075 > > ********************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 12:08:45 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: the '80 300CD wow, already up to $305.00! :) the more I look at the pictures the more I like it... http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2421325907 Trying to decide if I should upgrade to a '91 300D with the 2.5L TD, consider a '95 E300 turboDiesel or just live with the 190D. It just seems to be struggling too much in 405 traffic. Once it's rolling it's fine, but the freight train effect is a pain with it... :( john ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** john-at-wagoneers.com via PINE on Linux ** (plain text please!) ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. ...and remember, leaving life without Jesus just isn't recommended... - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 13:03:49 -0600 From: "Cordova, Carlos (Alec)" Subject: Refrigerant License The question of where online to obtain an R12 license came up on another Mercedes list, and this looks like a useful reply. Alec - -----Original Message----- From: Tony Moore [mailto:mooreja2-at-ornl.gov] Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 12:02 PM To: mercedes-at-mercedesmailinglist.com Subject: [Mercedes] Refrigerant License You can download a study guide and take the exam at either of these sites, perhaps there are more. The study guide in the second URL is much more informative. The guides are free. http://www.imaca.org/ http://www.epatest.com/ _______________________________________________ mercedes-at-mercedesmailinglist.com http://mail.mercedesmailinglist.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 15:11:18 -0400 From: "Eurowerks" Subject: Re: Mercedes with Cabin Air filters? No problem. I did it in my 82 300 TDT. A little creativity and some filter material (preferably charcoal impregnated to remove those nasty odors) is all that is required. I know how many attempts it took me to get it right, I wonder how many it will take you? Kirk A. Gilchrist EURO-WERKS / Mercedes-Benz, BMW, Volvo Service and Repair 8 South Highland St. / Winchester, KY 40391 / 859-745-0125 eurowerks-at-qx.net / 888-522-0271 toll free ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 13:35:34 -0700 From: Kevin Pekarek Subject: Re: the '80 300CD On Fri, Jun 27, 2003 at 12:08:45PM -0700, john wrote: > wow, already up to $305.00! :) Pfeh, ebay. I hate dealing with ebay. > Trying to decide if I should upgrade to a '91 300D with the 2.5L TD, > consider a '95 E300 turboDiesel or just live with the 190D. It just > seems to be struggling too much in 405 traffic. Once it's rolling it's > fine, but the freight train effect is a pain with it... :( Maybe I need to go drive an automatic 190D. K - -- Kevin Pekarek Redwood City, CA (near San Francisco) and Los Osos, CA (near San Luis Obispo) 85 190D (2.2, 5spd) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 14:25:06 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: the '80 300CD On Fri, 27 Jun 2003, Kevin Pekarek wrote: >-->On Fri, Jun 27, 2003 at 12:08:45PM -0700, john wrote: >-->> wow, already up to $305.00! :) >--> >-->Pfeh, ebay. I hate dealing with ebay. for being such a young pup you sure have some interesting views. ;) >--> >-->> Trying to decide if I should upgrade to a '91 300D with the 2.5L TD, >-->> consider a '95 E300 turboDiesel or just live with the 190D. It just >-->> seems to be struggling too much in 405 traffic. Once it's rolling it's >-->> fine, but the freight train effect is a pain with it... :( >--> >-->Maybe I need to go drive an automatic 190D. that would be good... these things launch out of first gear going into second, if I'm on the throttle hard my wife always gasps... (it hurts her back). It's not slamming hard like there's a problem, it just doesn't shift smoothly... I've heard others say this about the 190d's at's as well. it's a nice car, but I want more power, more room... :) john >--> >-->K >--> >-->-- >-->Kevin Pekarek >-->Redwood City, CA (near San Francisco) and >-->Los Osos, CA (near San Luis Obispo) >-->85 190D (2.2, 5spd) >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** john-at-wagoneers.com via PINE on Linux ** (plain text please!) ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. ...and remember, leaving life without Jesus just isn't recommended... - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 20:14:28 -0700 From: john Subject: theoretical question :) Ok, here's one... (this will be very subjective, kevin, I already know your answer, but say it anyway. ;) If you had a choice between the following, which would you pick: :) 1) 1985 300D (turbo) light yellow 208k for about $4500 2)1991 300d (2.5l td) white/gray 270k for about $9990 3) 1987 300d (3.0L td) silver (blue int) 280k for $3950 4) 1985 190D (2.2L) light yellow 220k - paid for 5) 1980 300d (3.0L) light yellow 277k - on ebay (needs some TLC) 6)1995 E300 (td) unkn color - unknn mileage forgot the # at work - $15k 7) 1984 300D (3.0L td) needs timing chain and "some work" - $350 Objective: a nice, clean, economical, nice riding, quiet, yet powerful car that doesn't move you four inches toward the back seat when shifting from first to second, has a little bit of class and will get the approval of my co-pilot and wife of 28 years... :) I think 1, 5 and 7 have already been "vetoed" as "looking old". Numbers 2 and 6 will likely get the response: "we can't afford that". (and she'll be correct). That leaves 3 and 4, 4 of course my mate won't drive and I'm growing less fond of it in traffic... so 3 is going to get a look see in the am. The A/C isn't working... like which Mercedes in Washington state does have an A/C that isn't???? every one I've looked at doesn't. Even the $9,990 one, and the super clean '85 300D... Ok, so no matter WHICH one of these Benzes I select, I have to do a/c repairs. If I had a permanent job I could call in sick on the three days a year I need it, but hey, it's the principal of the thing... So, let's hear your votes. I hope the $3,950 '87 300D is nice, if it is I'll buy it and sell the '85 190D asap. :) I'm thinking of putting my '87 Cherokee up on Ebay as well, but I really, really like it... I don't know why, it's a plain jane with 244,000 miles... and my wife won't drive it either... go figure... Life can be so complicated sometimes... :) Hey, there's a balloon aloft, heading out to take pictures, still sunny in Seattle... :) beautiful night. later, john - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... Jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 01:03:43 -0400 From: Robert Chase Subject: Re: theoretical question :) I would go with silver/blue if the interior was in good shape. Blue interior is a problem for fading an interior parts. If you need something blue finding blue is difficult and finding blue that matches is somewhat more difficult if you notice details :) Robert. john wrote: > Ok, here's one... > > (this will be very subjective, kevin, I already know your answer, but > say it anyway. ;) > > If you had a choice between the following, which would you pick: :) > > 1) 1985 300D (turbo) light yellow 208k for about $4500 > 2)1991 300d (2.5l td) white/gray 270k for about $9990 > 3) 1987 300d (3.0L td) silver (blue int) 280k for $3950 > 4) 1985 190D (2.2L) light yellow 220k - paid for > 5) 1980 300d (3.0L) light yellow 277k - on ebay (needs some TLC) > 6)1995 E300 (td) unkn color - unknn mileage forgot the # at work - $15k > 7) 1984 300D (3.0L td) needs timing chain and "some work" - $350 > > Objective: a nice, clean, economical, nice riding, quiet, yet > powerful car that doesn't move you four inches toward the back > seat when shifting from first to second, has a little bit of class > and will get the approval of my co-pilot and wife of 28 years... :) > > I think 1, 5 and 7 have already been "vetoed" as "looking old". Numbers > 2 and 6 will likely get the response: "we can't afford that". (and > she'll > be correct). That leaves 3 and 4, 4 of course my mate won't drive and > I'm growing less fond of it in traffic... so 3 is going to get a look > see in the am. The A/C isn't working... like which Mercedes in > Washington > state does have an A/C that isn't???? every one I've looked at doesn't. > Even the $9,990 one, and the super clean '85 300D... > > Ok, so no matter WHICH one of these Benzes I select, I have to do a/c > repairs. > > If I had a permanent job I could call in sick on the three days a year > I need it, but hey, it's the principal of the thing... > > So, let's hear your votes. > > I hope the $3,950 '87 300D is nice, if it is I'll buy it and sell the > '85 190D asap. :) > > I'm thinking of putting my '87 Cherokee up on Ebay as well, but I really, > really like it... I don't know why, it's a plain jane with 244,000 > miles... > and my wife won't drive it either... go figure... > > Life can be so complicated sometimes... :) Hey, there's a balloon aloft, > heading out to take pictures, still sunny in Seattle... :) beautiful > night. > > later, > john > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ > Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... > Jesus, don't leave life without him, please! > ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #1084 **********************************