From: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net (diesel-benz-digest) To: diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Subject: diesel-benz-digest V1 #1092 Reply-To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net Sender: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Errors-To: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Precedence: bulk diesel-benz-digest Tuesday, July 1 2003 Volume 01 : Number 1092 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: need oil leak diagnostic help the final test... Re: '87 300D Turbo RE: '87 300d pix Re: the '87 300D Turbo mileage Re: theoretical question :) Re: the final test... Re: the '87 300D Turbo mileage administrivia: notes on using this list Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 21:35:34 -0400 From: "Jim Steere" Subject: Re: need oil leak diagnostic help > I see people pointing at the turbo unit, and that makes sense, but the > engine blowby can also be valve guide seals. Or...it can be simply hideously maladjusted....or neglected valve adjustment. I bought a car a couple years ago....250K OM617....so sick that you had to tow it to start at 70 degrees ambient air (with operating glow plugs). Adjusted the valves, ran the piss out of it (with a bunch of ATF added to the fuel and the crankcase), adjusted them again after changing the oil.....and it was AOK. Stillm runnin', for that matter.....it's now powering a buddy's welder. Jim ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 20:41:46 -0700 From: john Subject: the final test... well... I had the cashier's check all made out... I was ready to buy the '87 300D Turbo, knowing that it needed some repairs... but I figured I'd purchased one vehicle without my wife's review and it turned out that neither of us liked it... SOOOOOO... I said to myself, self, if the wife doesn't like it, don't buy it... we get there... she looks at, so far, so good... she goes to sit down and her seat hadn't even fully made contact and she said no way, it's old and I ain't sitting on these hard old seats again... I'm not kidding, nothing compressed, that's how fast the decision was... couldn't talk her out of it either... :) But, the good news is that she's going to keep the '87 Cherokee and we'll sell the '91, which works for me since I like the '87 much more. Which is really strange since the '91 only has 116,000 miles, runs great, has new tires, the best lift on the market (old man emu), is super clean, power windows, cruise and everything works... not sure what it is about it, but neither of us like it... I think it's the gray interior... we tend to prefer tan interiors... :) So, it looks like I'm keeping the '85 190D and the '87 Cherokee and selling the '91 Cherokee and the '80 300CD. The '85 190D is almost finished... did the math and I'm into it about $3,900 at this point anyway... soon as I install the a/c pump it's done. :) So, soon as I get a permanent job we'll buy a new(er) WJ and then sell the '87 Cherokee. Still looking forward to SuperDawg being done... it's possible that my wife will take a liking to him and we'll just have the Benz and the J10... but we'll see... there's no shortage of changes in the vehicular situation at this address... :) Hey, if it wasn't fun I probably wouldn't do it. :) Since I can't make up my mind I just buy 'em all. :) Now, for those of you citing how long you've had your car, trying to make me feel bad ;), how many have been married for more then 28 years? (to the same person too. ;) :) Ok, some of you aren't even that old... ;) Oh well, this worked out ok... saved about $200 in autotrader ads and get to keep the nice gold '87. :) later, john - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... Jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 20:36:45 -0700 From: john Subject: Re: '87 300D Turbo At 02:49 PM 6/30/2003 -0700, Kevin Pekarek wrote: >I take it you gave up on a turbo 123 coupe? yeah... the 123 technology just leaves me unexcited... :) looks like I'm sticking with the 190D. It's almost 100%, it's paid for, and it's economical, and Lord Willing I'm hoping to get a UNIX Sys Admin job a bit closer to home... interviewing on my cell phone during the day... high tech company that has funding and cool technology... I'm praying it works out because I hate my commute and not terribly excited about doing configuration management stuff when I thought I was hired to do unix... but the folks I'm working with are great and if something else doesn't work out I could do a lot worse... :) stay tuned to this bat channel... amusement is guaranteed... :) john - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... Jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 20:43:28 -0700 From: john Subject: RE: '87 300d pix yeah, I think the $2900 was a superb price, it really did drive out nicely... but I just didn't have the energy to deal with the climate control and wiring issues... the pulling to the right thing could have been a hassle too... but when the wife said she didn't like it, that was enough for me to back out. :) john At 03:53 PM 6/30/2003 -0700, Jeremy Bowne wrote: >John > >If you were me, and I had the money, I probably would give him the $2,900 >and run. > >Don't let him get second thoughts about the price of the car. > >That really is a nice car.... worth the time and effort. IMHO > >See if the ABS light is just fluid level. Go test out the ABS... and see if >it kicks in. >If not, who cares, ABS is overrated, and not THAT expensive to repair. > >Even if you put 2 grand in that car, its well worth it. That car you could >easily (IMHO) sell for $6,000 (or at least I would buy it for that much if >everything worked) > >Do YOU want another project? >Because obviously it is... than again, you can buy a perfect specimen and >find something wrong to fix. That's the whole fun of these cars... hehe. > >Jeremy Bowne >1980 450SEl >1980 240D > > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net] On >Behalf Of john >Sent: Monday, June 30, 2003 3:50 PM >To: diesel-benz list >Subject: '87 300d pix > >http://wagoneers.com/DieselBenz/Johns-Diesels/87-300d/87-300d.jpg >http://wagoneers.com/DieselBenz/Johns-Diesels/87-300d/ > >john > ---- > >------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ** john-at-wagoneers.com via PINE on Linux ** (plain text please!) > ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** > Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. > ...and remember, leaving life without Jesus just isn't recommended... >------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... Jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: 01 Jul 2003 00:20:28 -0400 From: gary Subject: Re: the '87 300D Turbo mileage Hey, The Japanese are already there! Except, their cars are condemned at 30k. Either the whole car is crushed or the engines are replaced. I'm not exactly sure which. That is how there are these fantastic ads for cheap low mileage Japanese engines. There will come a day when cars are purchased with the hoods sealed shut. They are either scrapped at the first sign of trouble, or work only performed at an "authorized" service center. Hello Big Brother! - -Gary On Mon, 2003-06-30 at 21:38, Robert Chase wrote: > > Eventually it will be common to have a car that only lasts until 60k > miles (just like all the domestic manafacturers) > > Robert. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 20:39:19 -0700 From: john Subject: Re: theoretical question :) At 03:31 PM 6/30/2003 -0700, Kevin Pekarek wrote: >I'm *STILL* surprised there isn't an "8) 300CD turbo to be named later" on >that list. still could happen, but loading the toys from the church nursery into a 300cd would be a hassle... hence the preference for the 4drs... a turbo Diesel will happen... but like another lister said, look for a $5k 300D that's worth $5k. :) good advice. I'm glad I did the "wife test" and forego this project... having to sell all these cars would be a lot of effort... at this point I just need to sell the 300cd and that nice clean '91 xj. :) john - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... Jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2003 00:27:43 -0400 From: Robert Chase Subject: Re: the final test... Heh heh, I dunno John. You have the patience of a saint. I don't think I would have been able to deal with the car moving nightmare that you have lately. Good thing you dont like the real old ones. If you wanted a Pagoda SL or something of the 1960's vintage you would be slap out of luck :). Personally given the choice between someone who did not share my tastes in automobiles I might bein the market to do a less than tasteful wife trade in at the used wife lot :). Then again the old man upstairs sometimes has strange ways of letting us know what he wants from us. I almost bought a 1992 300E in really good condition from a used car lot. Perfect interior perfect paint even my favorite color scheme. Ran well low miles and even had the factory MBZ phone and radio in it. I have a strange rule though about buying used cars. If a car does not bring me back under its own power on a test drive I wont buy it. It stalled and would not start back up in the middle of an intersection. Needless to say I dont own that car. Robert. john wrote: > well... I had the cashier's check all made out... I was ready to buy > the '87 > 300D Turbo, knowing that it needed some repairs... but I figured > I'd purchased one vehicle without my wife's review and > it turned out that neither of us liked it... SOOOOOO... I said > to myself, self, if the wife doesn't like it, don't buy it... > > we get there... she looks at, so far, so good... she goes to > sit down and her seat hadn't even fully made contact and she > said no way, it's old and I ain't sitting on these hard old > seats again... I'm not kidding, nothing compressed, that's how > fast the decision was... couldn't talk her out of it either... :) > > But, the good news is that she's going to keep the '87 Cherokee > and we'll sell the '91, which works for me since I like the > '87 much more. Which is really strange since the '91 only > has 116,000 miles, runs great, has new tires, the best lift > on the market (old man emu), is super clean, power windows, > cruise and everything works... not sure what it is about it, > but neither of us like it... I think it's the gray interior... > we tend to prefer tan interiors... :) > > So, it looks like I'm keeping the '85 190D and the '87 Cherokee > and selling the '91 Cherokee and the '80 300CD. The '85 190D > is almost finished... did the math and I'm into it about $3,900 > at this point anyway... soon as I install the a/c pump it's > done. :) > > So, soon as I get a permanent job we'll buy a new(er) WJ and > then sell the '87 Cherokee. Still looking forward to SuperDawg > being done... it's possible that my wife will take a liking > to him and we'll just have the Benz and the J10... but we'll see... > > there's no shortage of changes in the vehicular situation at this > address... :) > > Hey, if it wasn't fun I probably wouldn't do it. :) Since I > can't make up my mind I just buy 'em all. :) > > Now, for those of you citing how long you've had your car, trying > to make me feel bad ;), how many have been married for more then > 28 years? (to the same person too. ;) :) Ok, some of you aren't even > that old... ;) > > Oh well, this worked out ok... saved about $200 in autotrader ads > and get to keep the nice gold '87. :) > > later, > john > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ > Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... > Jesus, don't leave life without him, please! > ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 22:05:48 -0700 From: "Paul Schwartz" Subject: Re: the '87 300D Turbo mileage > make cars more disposable than they have been in the past. Emission > control laws that make it illegal to even sell a non passing car And just wait until Smog2 hits Northern California. When Smog2 went into effect in Southern Cal 1 in 3 cars over 10 years old didn't pass and 1 in 10 BRAND NEW cars failed; new car manufactures got a year exemption for new cars, just long enough for the warranty on the smog system to expire. In about two years there will be a lot of nice California cars for sale in other states. Diesels are exempt. Paul ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2003 05:45:00 +0000 From: Richard Welty Subject: administrivia: notes on using this list Digest.Net mailing list "Meta FAQ" These general notes on using Digest.Net mailing lists are posted on the 1st and 15th of each month. This file may be found on the web at http://www.digest.net/general-notes.txt [last revised 5/1/02; removed list of spam strings, as i'm not the only one filtering on them -- rpw] Additional information on Digest.Net's spam policies may be found at http://www.digest.net/email-policy.html and http://www.digest.net/blocked.html Table of Contents 1. 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