From: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net (diesel-benz-digest) To: diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Subject: diesel-benz-digest V1 #1105 Reply-To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net Sender: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Errors-To: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Precedence: bulk diesel-benz-digest Monday, July 14 2003 Volume 01 : Number 1105 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: RE: Back to MB quality decline WAS: Becker Radio 1987 Re[2]: Back to MB quality decline WAS: Becker Radio 1987 Re: Back to MB quality decline WAS: Becker Radio 1987 Re: Re[2]: Back to MB quality decline WAS: Becker Radio 1987 Re: Back to MB quality decline WAS: Becker Radio 1987 Re: Back to MB quality decline WAS: Becker Radio 1987 Re: W123 engine out RE: W123 engine out RE: Back to MB quality decline WAS: Becker Radio 1987 buttercup is heading for the border... traffic Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 15:10:51 -0500 From: "Alec Cordova" Subject: RE: Back to MB quality decline WAS: Becker Radio 1987 I believe those rotors are ceramic, not metal. When made correctly (which is part of why they're so expensive), they provide even less fade while allowing a reduction in mass in a location that contributes mightily to handling. Ceramic rotors are available on some 911 Porsches, and I think they add nearly $2000. So maybe them there eye-talians are still trying to pull one over on somebody. Alec > > > > Kevin, > > > > Almost anything is cheaper to maintain than my Volvo was. It broke on a > > regular basis with a painful sticker shock for any part of any > kind. As > > long as its not a Ferrari which I was doing some reading today about > > (The new Enzo's brake pads are $6000 a set and rotors are $24,000) > > *** Gee, > > Just what do you get for $24,000 in a rotor? Solid Gold? Wait, that's > for four, right? So the individual rotors are only $6000 each. Let me > rephrase that: "What do you get in a rotor for $6000?" Does an > aged Italian > craftsman hand-carve them out of giant blocks of steel? Or does mythical > Thor the Mighty forge them one by one with his giant hammer( Mythos Costs > Money )? > > Of course, it COULDN'T be that they're buying ordinary ATE rotors from > Rusty for $25 each and having Enzo sign them... Could it? > > Inquiring Minds Want to Know! > > - Jerry Kaidor ( jerry-at-tr2.com ) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 16:32:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Richard Welty Subject: Re[2]: Back to MB quality decline WAS: Becker Radio 1987 On Sat, 12 Jul 2003 12:37:13 -0700 (PDT) Jerome Kaidor wrote: > Of course, it COULDN'T be that they're buying ordinary ATE rotors from > Rusty for $25 each and having Enzo sign them... Could it? > > Inquiring Minds Want to Know! if they could get enzo to sign them, that might be worth $24,000 seeing as he's dead and all that. cheers, richard - -- Richard Welty rwelty-at-suespammers.org Averill Park Networking rwelty-at-averillpark.net Unix, Linux, IP Network Engineering, Security rwelty-at-krusty-motorsports.com 518-573-7592 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 17:25:39 -0400 From: Robert Chase Subject: Re: Back to MB quality decline WAS: Becker Radio 1987 Hmmm, Think of this too. They have to be pretty big brake rotors. As well Ferrari is a small company and the Enzo just went into production. Spare parts on a car that new always fetch a premium. Anybody smart is going to wait for the car's parts prices to settle down before investing in one. Of course one could always get a good deal on an Celebrity owned model that could not afford a brake job :). I dunno though. The Enzo does little for me as a Ferarri. Anything designed after Mr. Ferrari's death contains little of his design influence. Personally I would rather have a "vintage" Ferrari like a 400i or a 512tr or other uncommon one in a funky color. Robert. Alec Cordova wrote: >I believe those rotors are ceramic, not metal. When made correctly (which is >part of why they're so expensive), they provide even less fade while >allowing a reduction in mass in a location that contributes mightily to >handling. > >Ceramic rotors are available on some 911 Porsches, and I think they add >nearly $2000. So maybe them there eye-talians are still trying to pull one >over on somebody. > >Alec > > > >>>Kevin, >>> >>>Almost anything is cheaper to maintain than my Volvo was. It broke on a >>>regular basis with a painful sticker shock for any part of any >>> >>> >>kind. As >> >> >>>long as its not a Ferrari which I was doing some reading today about >>>(The new Enzo's brake pads are $6000 a set and rotors are $24,000) >>> >>> >>*** Gee, >> >> Just what do you get for $24,000 in a rotor? Solid Gold? Wait, that's >>for four, right? So the individual rotors are only $6000 each. Let me >>rephrase that: "What do you get in a rotor for $6000?" Does an >>aged Italian >>craftsman hand-carve them out of giant blocks of steel? Or does mythical >>Thor the Mighty forge them one by one with his giant hammer( Mythos Costs >>Money )? >> >> Of course, it COULDN'T be that they're buying ordinary ATE rotors from >>Rusty for $25 each and having Enzo sign them... Could it? >> >> Inquiring Minds Want to Know! >> >> - Jerry Kaidor ( jerry-at-tr2.com ) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 14:29:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Jerome Kaidor Subject: Re: Re[2]: Back to MB quality decline WAS: Becker Radio 1987 Richard Welty wrote: > > if they could get enzo to sign them, that might be worth $24,000 seeing as > he's dead and all that. > *** Hey, I said "Mythos Costs Money", didn't I :). - Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 14:31:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Jerome Kaidor Subject: Re: Back to MB quality decline WAS: Becker Radio 1987 Robert Chase wrote: > > Hmmm, > > Think of this too. They have to be pretty big brake rotors. As well > Ferrari is a small company and the Enzo just went into production. > Spare parts on a car that new always fetch a premium. Anybody smart is > going to wait for the car's parts prices to settle down before investing > in one. *** Hmm. Don't suppose there's anyway to short those puppies? - Jerry Kaidor( jerry-at-tr2.com ) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 14:34:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Jerome Kaidor Subject: Re: Back to MB quality decline WAS: Becker Radio 1987 Renaud OLGIATI wrote: > > Ever seen the hydraulic suspension on a 1960 Citroen ? *** 2CV? :) - Jerry Kaidor ( jerry-at-tr2.com ) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 15:08:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Jerome Kaidor Subject: Re: W123 engine out Sam Williams wrote: > > > I would also take this opportunity to clean grunge from engine > compartment, perhaps buy spray touch-up and repaint areas that > need it. *** I had this "opportunity" some years ago with my MGA. "Let's detail the engine compartment a bit" - yeah, RIGHT. One thing led to another. Two years later, I was putting the engine back into a totally restored body - - new paint, new leather interior, new - well - EVERYTHING. - Jerry Kaidor ( jerry-at-tr2.com ) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 18:05:01 -0500 From: "Sam Williams" <1sam-at-io.com> Subject: RE: W123 engine out Jerry, Isn't it pretty now, though? What better use for two years and a pile of money? :) Sam - -----Original Message----- From: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net]On Behalf Of Jerome Kaidor Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2003 5:09 PM To: Sam Williams Cc: Renaud OLGIATI; diesel-benz-at-digest.net Subject: Re: W123 engine out Sam Williams wrote: > > > I would also take this opportunity to clean grunge from engine > compartment, perhaps buy spray touch-up and repaint areas that > need it. *** I had this "opportunity" some years ago with my MGA. "Let's detail the engine compartment a bit" - yeah, RIGHT. One thing led to another. Two years later, I was putting the engine back into a totally restored body - - new paint, new leather interior, new - well - EVERYTHING. - Jerry Kaidor ( jerry-at-tr2.com ) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 19:36:28 -0500 From: "Sam Williams" <1sam-at-io.com> Subject: RE: Back to MB quality decline WAS: Becker Radio 1987 Jerry, 2CVs didn't have the hydraulic suspension of their bigger brothers but were pretty cool in their own right. The <.5 ton car had 4 wheel independent suspension using two coil springs, each connected between front and rear wheels. Brilliant French engineers never feel restricted by tradition. While most cars share the same basic suspension design in use since Roman times, that was no reason for Citroen to go with a proven design. 2CVs were more comfortable than many far more expensive cars. Though they do lean a bit on curves (why would anyone want, or think they needed, complicated, heavy steel sway bars), they are extremely stable and almost impossible to roll. That is lucky because they were a tad flimsy by today's safety standards. Sam - -----Original Message----- From: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net]On Behalf Of Jerome Kaidor Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2003 4:35 PM To: renaud-at-olgiati-in-paraguay.org Cc: Diesel Benz Subject: Re: Back to MB quality decline WAS: Becker Radio 1987 Renaud OLGIATI wrote: > > Ever seen the hydraulic suspension on a 1960 Citroen ? *** 2CV? :) - Jerry Kaidor ( jerry-at-tr2.com ) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 22:11:28 -0700 From: john Subject: buttercup is heading for the border... the new owner of the '80 300CD is heading up to BC tonight, then to Saskatchewan tomorrow... hoping and praying he doesn't have any trouble... he shouldn't, but I'm still concerned, didn't have time to work all the kinks out. :) I invited him to join the list as he's going to have all the body work done up and repainted when he gets it home, he has a retired bodyman friend up there. :) I went up to BC this morning and got the fenders for my J10... my crazy '87 XJ with 244,444.4 miles on it now got 21 mpg! and that's with a pair of stepside fenders tied down to the roof. :) Tomorrow I hope to swap out my A/C compressor on my '85 190D. If the other lister is still interested in my 190D I may go for a very clean '85 300D Turbo Diesel I've been looking at on the net... we'll see... I want something a little bit bigger then the 190D. :) But, if I keep it, that's ok too. :) john - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... 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