From: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net (diesel-benz-digest) To: diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Subject: diesel-benz-digest V1 #1120 Reply-To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net Sender: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Errors-To: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Precedence: bulk diesel-benz-digest Saturday, July 26 2003 Volume 01 : Number 1120 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: the latest... :) RE: W123 Combination Switch Needed Re: Questions about '65 220 (update) Re: the latest... :) Re: Questions about '65 220 (update) RE: Questions about '65 220 (update) RE: Questions about '65 220 (update) Re: the latest... :) Re: the latest... :) power antenna Re: power antenna Re: power antenna Towing S Class style Re: Towing S Class style Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 07:37:24 -0700 From: john Subject: Re: the latest... :) At 10:08 AM 7/25/2003 -0400, Jim Hoffman wrote: >Yo John, > I think the poor car is home-sick for Wisconsin! >Just pass along the guys number and I'll give it a nice homecomming! >;) >Jim/ >'83 240D uhhhh... I don't think so... remember, we have cheese out here. :) john - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... Jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 10:45:56 -0400 From: "Jim Hoffman" Subject: RE: W123 Combination Switch Needed Wherebouts' is this car?? Jim/ '83 240D > I have a whole w123 car you can have for a couple hundred dollars :) just > needs starter and some tires to get ya going ;) (240D) > Have apartment officials threatening towing... > > Also looking for a combination switch, but for a 116 model, I repaired it, > but its gone to the point where it stays blinking again (ANNOYING). > > Did you try any local junkyards? > (my next visit...) > > Jeremy Bowne > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net] On > Behalf Of J.B. Hebert > Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2003 7:57 AM > To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net > Subject: W123 Combination Switch Needed > > So, it looks like the windshield wiper part of my combination switch is > bad. I only get high speed wipers, no low or intermittent. The motor and > harness checks out to the switch. With the switch in low setting, I'm not > seeing continuity between pins 11 and 12 on the switch connector. Did I > mention that I love the fact that all Mercedes connectors are labled and > actually match the wiring harness diagrams? Anyways... I really can't > afford $130 or so for a new combo switch, and I haven't seen any on eBay > lately. I was wondering if anyone on the list had a used one they'd be > willing to sell me. Let me know off list if you do. > > Thanks in advance! > > J.B. > - -- Jim Hoffman Oconomowoc WI '39 Allis Model B '53 Ford Golden Jubilee '?? Bolens Huskie Gardener ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 09:48:57 CDT From: acordova-at-texas.net Subject: Re: Questions about '65 220 (update) > This car is actually a 220 SE what makes it an SE > over just a plain 220. It has fuel injection? > That's back in the day when the letters were just starting to have consistent meaning. That may in fact have been the first generation where the S was used to signify the top of the line model, although I believe from 59 to 65, both the W111.010 220b and the W111.014 220SEb fin tail HiLines were offerred, and I'm not sure what differences there were. I'm again using http://home.hiwaay.net/~gbf/mbmodels.html for some reference. The E definitely designate Einspritzung, or fuel injection. The E uses an M127 motor, while the carbed ones used an M180. Amazing cars for their time, and these days, the fuel injection is easier to maintain and live with than the carbs they used back then. Alec ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 10:51:26 -0400 From: "Jim Hoffman" Subject: Re: the latest... :) No problem Alec... Actually, one more RUNNING car in the driveway would be a *good* thing! ;) The 11 cars that DON'T run are the problem! :( Jim/ > > You need to be careful. One of these days, that line will finally work on > someone, and you'll have yet another mouth to feed in the driveway. ;-) > > Alec > - -- Jim Hoffman Oconomowoc WI '39 Allis Model B '53 Ford Golden Jubilee '?? Bolens Huskie Gardener ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 09:02:08 -0700 (PDT) From: hue wong Subject: Re: Questions about '65 220 (update) So what would this car be worth? 2k 1.5k? I checked it out again (I just love to body styleing on the older benzes) It blows a fair amount of smoke. (smell rich and the smoke is blue) not sure if thati s just "tuning" or if it's got ring or valve problems. Guess I should go get a compression check. inside and out the car is imaculate. It's just the motor I worry about... - --- acordova-at-texas.net wrote: > > This car is actually a 220 SE what makes it an SE > > over just a plain 220. It has fuel injection? > > > > That's back in the day when the letters were just > starting to have consistent > meaning. That may in fact have been the first > generation where the S was used > to signify the top of the line model, although I > believe from 59 to 65, both > the W111.010 220b and the W111.014 220SEb fin tail > HiLines were offerred, and > I'm not sure what differences there were. I'm again > using > http://home.hiwaay.net/~gbf/mbmodels.html for some > reference. > > The E definitely designate Einspritzung, or fuel > injection. The E uses an M127 > motor, while the carbed ones used an M180. > > Amazing cars for their time, and these days, the > fuel injection is easier to > maintain and live with than the carbs they used back > then. > > Alec __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 14:23:40 -0400 From: "Jeff Domogala" Subject: RE: Questions about '65 220 (update) Blue, "rich" smoke = burning oil = rebuild of some sort = lowball offer on the car since rebuild is at least $1000 (that's probably low nowdays given the age of the car). - -----Original Message----- From: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net]On Behalf Of hue wong Sent: Friday, July 25, 2003 12:02 PM To: acordova-at-texas.net; diesel-benz-at-digest.net Subject: Re: Questions about '65 220 (update) So what would this car be worth? 2k 1.5k? I checked it out again (I just love to body styleing on the older benzes) It blows a fair amount of smoke. (smell rich and the smoke is blue) not sure if thati s just "tuning" or if it's got ring or valve problems. Guess I should go get a compression check. inside and out the car is imaculate. It's just the motor I worry about... - --- acordova-at-texas.net wrote: > > This car is actually a 220 SE what makes it an SE > > over just a plain 220. It has fuel injection? > > > > That's back in the day when the letters were just > starting to have consistent > meaning. That may in fact have been the first > generation where the S was used > to signify the top of the line model, although I > believe from 59 to 65, both > the W111.010 220b and the W111.014 220SEb fin tail > HiLines were offerred, and > I'm not sure what differences there were. I'm again > using > http://home.hiwaay.net/~gbf/mbmodels.html for some > reference. > > The E definitely designate Einspritzung, or fuel > injection. The E uses an M127 > motor, while the carbed ones used an M180. > > Amazing cars for their time, and these days, the > fuel injection is easier to > maintain and live with than the carbs they used back > then. > > Alec __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 11:30:50 -0700 (PDT) From: hue wong Subject: RE: Questions about '65 220 (update) Right on! I couldn't remember if blue or black smoke means "engine tune up needed.." thanx - -jon- This would explain the low responce the engine seems to have. - --- Jeff Domogala wrote: > Blue, "rich" smoke = burning oil = rebuild of some > sort = lowball offer on > the car since rebuild is at least $1000 (that's > probably low nowdays given > the age of the car). > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net > [mailto:owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net]On Behalf Of > hue wong > Sent: Friday, July 25, 2003 12:02 PM > To: acordova-at-texas.net; diesel-benz-at-digest.net > Subject: Re: Questions about '65 220 (update) > > > So what would this car be worth? 2k 1.5k? I > checked > it out again (I just love to body styleing on the > older benzes) It blows a fair amount of smoke. > (smell rich and the smoke is blue) not sure if thati > s > just "tuning" or if it's got ring or valve problems. > Guess I should go get a compression check. > > inside and out the car is imaculate. It's just the > motor I worry about... > > --- acordova-at-texas.net wrote: > > > This car is actually a 220 SE what makes it an > SE > > > over just a plain 220. It has fuel injection? > > > > > > > That's back in the day when the letters were just > > starting to have consistent > > meaning. That may in fact have been the first > > generation where the S was used > > to signify the top of the line model, although I > > believe from 59 to 65, both > > the W111.010 220b and the W111.014 220SEb fin tail > > HiLines were offerred, and > > I'm not sure what differences there were. I'm > again > > using > > http://home.hiwaay.net/~gbf/mbmodels.html for some > > reference. > > > > The E definitely designate Einspritzung, or fuel > > injection. The E uses an M127 > > motor, while the carbed ones used an M180. > > > > Amazing cars for their time, and these days, the > > fuel injection is easier to > > maintain and live with than the carbs they used > back > > then. > > > > Alec > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site > design software > http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 12:45:50 -0700 From: Kevin Pekarek Subject: Re: the latest... :) On Fri, Jul 25, 2003 at 07:37:24AM -0700, john wrote: > uhhhh... I don't think so... remember, we have cheese out here. :) Cheese? I thought all you had up there were apples and fog. Oh yeah, and that fast food joint that serves tacos and burritos with fries and a coke. :) But if the car needs good cheese and you don't want to send it to wisconsin... :) K - -- Kevin Pekarek Redwood City, CA (near San Francisco) and Los Osos, CA (near San Luis Obispo) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 12:46:56 -0700 From: Kevin Pekarek Subject: Re: the latest... :) On Fri, Jul 25, 2003 at 10:51:26AM -0400, Jim Hoffman wrote: > No problem Alec... Actually, one more RUNNING car in the driveway > would be a *good* thing! ;) The 11 cars that DON'T run are the > problem! :( Boy do I know THAT problem all too well. K - -- Kevin Pekarek Redwood City, CA (near San Francisco) and Los Osos, CA (near San Luis Obispo) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 20:58:42 -0400 From: Paul Brown Subject: power antenna >>Anyone with experience playing with a Hirschmann automatic antenne from a W123? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 19:17:16 -0700 From: Greg Fiorentino Subject: Re: power antenna At 05:58 PM 7/25/03 , Paul Brown wrote: >>>Anyone with experience playing with a Hirschmann automatic antenne from >>>a W123? I saw an ad somewhere advertising drive belts for rebuilding some benz power antennae, but not for the 123. Mine has trouble retracting. I assume this would be a simple repair if the part were available. Greg Fiorentino Vancouver USA gfior-at-dslnorthwest.net '84 300D Turbo '79 300TD '85 F-350 6.9 crew cab ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 19:23:22 -0700 From: john Subject: Re: power antenna gents, these things are really cheap at the dealer... probably cheaper from rusty... why mess around with it? just replace it. On my 201 the replacement was a bit different, had to rewire it, it's all or none now, not a big deal... john At 07:17 PM 7/25/2003 -0700, Greg Fiorentino wrote: >At 05:58 PM 7/25/03 , Paul Brown wrote: >>>>Anyone with experience playing with a Hirschmann automatic antenne from >>>>a W123? > > >I saw an ad somewhere advertising drive belts for rebuilding some benz >power antennae, but not for the 123. Mine has trouble retracting. I >assume this would be a simple repair if the part were available. > > > >Greg Fiorentino >Vancouver USA >gfior-at-dslnorthwest.net > >'84 300D Turbo >'79 300TD >'85 F-350 6.9 crew cab - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... Jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 04:50:33 -0400 From: Robert Chase Subject: Towing S Class style So your driving your late model Japanese car and suddenly the clutch won't engage in any of the gears. Your stranded in a parking lot with your highly overpriced tin can. What do you do? Its S Class towing to the rescue. A walk home and a trip to Walmart later to pick up towing straps and a friend of mine and I towed the car to the dealership. Im not quite sure what they thought when they saw my Diesel Mercedes pulling into the service bay but when they saw my Accord attached to the back of it with towing straps they got the idea of what was going on. Of course I disconnected the tow straps and parked my car and left them a disabled car in the middle of their service isle to push out of the way . I think this is major issue #3 and Ill be doing my research on lemon law stuff very soon and perhaps will be rid of this headache with a capital H very soon. My Mercedes towed that tin can like it was not even there. It was pretty amazing considering I had a midsized car attached to my backside. Really shows you how powerful an OM617 engine is. The Accord is heavy enough that the 150hp engine in it with 4 people in it and the A/C on seems underpowered at highway speeds trying to pass. Anybody know the torque spec's on a 1982 300SD? I read somewhere it had 125hp. If I had to guess on its torque output based on today's adventure I would put it somewhere in the 200's. Robert Chase ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 09:33:44 -0700 From: john Subject: Re: Towing S Class style At 04:50 AM 7/26/2003 -0400, Robert Chase wrote: >Anybody know the torque spec's on a 1982 300SD? I read somewhere it had >125hp. If I had to guess on its torque output based on today's adventure >I would put it somewhere in the 200's. > >Robert Chase Mercedes Diesels - ----------------------------- 85 - 190D 2.2L - 72 hp -at- 4,200 - 96 ft lbs -at- 2,800 (normally aspirated) 83 - 240D 2.4L - 72 hp -at- 4,400 - 97 ft lbs -at- 2,400 (normally aspirated) 87 - 190D 2.5L - 123 hp -at- 4,600 - 168 ft lbs -at- 2,400 (TURBO) 81 - 300D 3.0L - 88 hp -at- 4,400 - 126.6 ft lbs -at- 2,400 (normally aspirated) 83 - 300SD 3.0L - 125 hp -at- 4,350 - 170 ft lbs -at- 2,400 (TURBO) - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... Jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #1120 **********************************