From: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net (diesel-benz-digest) To: diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Subject: diesel-benz-digest V1 #1127 Reply-To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net Sender: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Errors-To: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Precedence: bulk diesel-benz-digest Tuesday, July 29 2003 Volume 01 : Number 1127 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: Sneaky spam alert - no diesel content Re: weird symptoms - of what? Re: Sneaky spam alert - no diesel content Re: 201 and 124, or the 190d and the 300d Re: Back to work on the 240D... RE: Back to work on the 240D... A couple of 240Ds Re: Back to work on the 240D... Re: Volvo diesel opinions Re: A couple of 240Ds Re: Sneaky spam alert - no diesel content Re: Back to work on the 240D... Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 21:53:45 -0500 From: Matthew J Mason Subject: Sneaky spam alert - no diesel content Sorry guys, I'll keep it short, but I know there are fellow anti-spam activists on list so I thought I'd pass this one along. The lowest of the low continue to reach new depths... I stopped short of opening it (McAfee took care of it for me), but there are faked Microsoft KB update messages with weird attachments posing as system updates, circulating in e-mail now. To someone who doesn't know the basic clues, it could easily be mistaken for legit (especially those running XP, which seems to like to hunt for "critical updates".) - - Matt in IL p.s. I pulled this from the one I just received: MS Corporation Client this is the latest version of security update, the "July 2003, Cumulative Patch" update which eliminates all known security vulnerabilities affecting Internet Explorer, Outlook and Outlook Express as well as five newly discovered vulnerabilities. Install now to protect your computer from these vulnerabilities, the most serious of which could allow an attacker to run executable on your system. This update includes the functionality of all previously released patches. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 22:59:15 -0400 From: "Steve Morelen" Subject: Re: weird symptoms - of what? The only place that I can think of where the vacuum and electrical systems get "close" is the ignition switch. There is a vacuum valve attached to the switch which applies vacuum to the fuel shut-off vacuum actuator on the injection pump when you turn the ignition switch to the "off" position. If the multiple (vacuum and electrical) system problems are related, I wonder if the ignition switch has gotten hot for some reason and caused a leak in the supply side of the vacuum switch. A goofed-up ignition switch might also cause a fault indication on the charging system (battery) light although I can not propose an exact scenario right now that would explain the battery light. I would check the voltage across the battery with the engine running / stopped to see if the alternator is charging the battery. The fuel guage / brake pedal thing is really interesting. I believe the brake lamps and a major portion of the instrument panel are fed through fuse F12. If the fuse/fuse holder is beginning to look more resistive than is proper, all kinds of wierd stuff might happen. The basic effect is that the instrument cluster wil become starved for voltage when the brake pedal switch is closed. Do your brake lights look normal? Please let us know what you find as you troubleshoot and we'll try to help. Steve Morelen '84 300D >From: Paul Brown >CC: Diesel Benz >Subject: weird symptoms - of what? >Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 08:16:44 -0400 > >123 started fine this morning. The battery light is lit. Turn signals >don't work. Fuel gauge goes to empty when I press the brake switch. Engine >kill solenoid inoperative. Headlamps are bright. AND thevacuum locking >system is inoperative. > >I'm not a fan of multiple things going wrong all at once, so suspectthat >these are all a symptom of something. But what? And if its an electrical >demon, why are the locks affected? _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 21:18:11 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: Sneaky spam alert - no diesel content there are a couple of slick ones out this weekend, one for paypal trying to scarf credit card info and another one from cnn.com that looks very interesting, but it's a virus... john. On Mon, 28 Jul 2003, Matthew J Mason wrote: >-->Sorry guys, I'll keep it short, but I know there are fellow anti-spam >-->activists on list so I thought I'd pass this one along. The lowest of ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. ...and remember, leaving life without Jesus just isn't recommended... - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** john-at-wagoneers.com via PINE on Linux ** (plain text please!) The revolt is underway, you can not stop it. FEAR THE PENGUIN!!!! May the SOURCE be With GNU - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 22:44:14 -0700 From: john Subject: Re: 201 and 124, or the 190d and the 300d guilty as charged... I'll have to start tracking Diesel Benz by numbers on my website like I do FSJs and XJs. :) http://wagoneers.com/johns-vehicles.html john At 12:05 PM 7/28/2003 -0500, DanG wrote: >And, wasn't it you that was out of MB for a while some months ago and >saying it was a good >place? Here in 2 months you have had, what?, 3 MB into and out of the >corral at Snohomish? >What a guy. The 2.5 is covetable - very clean. Now, get that gitupandgo >thingie working >correctly so you can merge traffic better... >Dan ChicagoArea > > > Like both. Getting the 190d ready for the new owner, he's > > flying up Saturday to pick it up. Topped off the tank tonight > > and ran it through the car wash. When we got back I decided to > > take a few pictures of both together. - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... Jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 01:56:09 -0500 From: Jon Filina Subject: Re: Back to work on the 240D... Herr Hoffman wrote: > Well folks... I've got the 240D raised and I'm trying to figure > out my options for the floor pan. If any of you have the desire, > you could view the following pics and give me your opinions. > Any help will be greatly appreciated! Big Jim! Take a look under the rest of the car to see how bad the tin worm has gotten to it. If the big structural parts only have surface rust, as I'm sure they do, and you don't mind cutting out the bad, welding in the good, and scraping off the rest go for it! From what I remember, this car is mechanically sound and has many new parts-brakes, etc. Your repairs may not make it last another 30 years, but will you still want to drive it that far in the future? At the very worst, you'll get another 5 years out of it. That should be good enough for me to send you that antenna the Hack was never able to sell... If you love it, go for it! Jon '84 300SD 162,950 mi. "Bruno" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 07:21:13 -0400 From: "Jeff Domogala" Subject: RE: Back to work on the 240D... Ok, from experience with a few of these beasts... If the hole is that big, I wouldn't spend a lot of time trying to get exotic about fixing it up. There is a lot more hidden rust beneath the rocker panels and probably under other sections of the floor. I'm willing to bet that the jack points are probably close to being unusable as well because of rust. That sound insulation that they put on top of the sheet metal serves mostly as a wick to spread the rust around, mostly because it dries up over time, cracks and separates from the floor. Then any water that gets in the car just sits there and starts to rust. To make your situation even worse, you have to deal with the corner to go up the side and the front where the rear seat sits on. My magical formula to fix it enough to last a few years (until the cancer spreads throughout the rest of the car).... sheet metal, pop rivets and roofing tar or silicone sealant. Go to home depot or Lowes ann buy a square of galvanized duct. They have it in 2x2 or 3x3 foot sheets. Cut and bend a patch that will overlap good solid metal by an inch or so, lay down a strip of either sealant or roofing tar and pop rivet the panel into place. Then use more sealant to ensure its weather tight. This almost appears that there has been water inside the cabin from some kind of leak. I know that the vents on the rear pillars of the car are notorious for leaking and running into the cabin. I never quite figured out how to stop them from leaking, and believe me, it drove me crazy. Another source of water is from the seal around the windshield and/or rear window. The water comes in and makes it into the rear floor. You'll know if there was water in there if it smells musty after rain and if the carpets were soaked when you took them out. Jeff - -----Original Message----- From: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net]On Behalf Of Jim Hoffman Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 5:04 PM To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net Subject: Back to work on the 240D... Well folks... I've got the 240D raised and I'm trying to figure out my options for the floor pan. If any of you have the desire, you could view the following pics and give me your opinions. Any help will be greatly appreciated! TIA Jim/ Right after I *discovered* the problem... http://my.execpc.com/~jslash/240D/MBRust2.jpg http://my.execpc.com/~jslash/240D/MBRust3.jpg After the see was removed this weekend... http://my.execpc.com/~jslash/240D/BenzMissingFloor.JPG ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 07:35:39 -0400 From: "Jeff Domogala" Subject: A couple of 240Ds Is there anyone out there that is interested in either a 1977 240D parts car or a 1982 240D that is still road worthy with a bit of rust in the usual front / rear fender areas? I've listed these in the local sell-it paper (Want Advertiser) at $300 for the pair. I've had **0** replied in the last 4 weeks they've been advertised. I figured there would be some Benz nut that needed parts, but I guess not. The 1977 car is getting dangerously close to meeting the crusher within the next couple of days. I just need it out of the barn. I don't know what's going to happen to the other car, but it's looking grim for that one as well. I tried to donate it without success. They won't take the car. So, if anyone wants to have a decent 1982 car for driving or parts, and wants to haul the car from Windham, NH, contact me. Name your price..... take it away. I also used to rebuild 240D engines so I have a small collection of specialized tools for the purpose. I even have some gaskets (valve cover) and engine seals still lying around. I also have a spare injection pump that'll fit 1977-1982 engines. I purchased it rebuilt thinking another injection pump was a problem, installed it, problem still existed, took this pump out to save it for later use, and it's been sitting there ever since. I'm sure someone could use it. Just e-mail me if you're interested in anything. Jeff ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 09:43:54 -0400 From: "Jim Hoffman" Subject: Re: Back to work on the 240D... You're correct Jon.... I just put $450 worth of calipers/rotors/ master cylinder/etc. before deciding to check why the drivers seat was *listing* to one side! Had I found the hole FIRST I'd scraped the darn thing and looked for another. Could still do that and keep the brake parts. Maybe someone on the list needs a complete brake system. The ONLY part I'm concerned about when banging some sheetmetal and welding it in is getting the left rear mount for the seat correct or the darn seat STILL won't sit straight! ;) $3xx from Rusty is a bit steep but then again another car would cost more than that! Just need to find someone to help me weld it in but that shouldn't be too hard. I've already thought of a couple. More as it develops.... Jim/ > Herr Hoffman wrote: > > Well folks... I've got the 240D raised and I'm trying to figure > > out my options for the floor pan. If any of you have the desire, > > you could view the following pics and give me your opinions. > > Any help will be greatly appreciated! > > Big Jim! > > Take a look under the rest of the car to see how bad the tin worm has > gotten to it. If the big structural parts only have surface rust, as > I'm sure they do, and you don't mind cutting out the bad, welding in the > good, and scraping off the rest go for it! > > From what I remember, this car is mechanically sound and has many new > parts-brakes, etc. Your repairs may not make it last another 30 years, > but will you still want to drive it that far in the future? > > At the very worst, you'll get another 5 years out of it. That should be > good enough for me to send you that antenna the Hack was never able to > sell... > > If you love it, go for it! > > Jon > '84 300SD 162,950 mi. "Bruno" > - -- Jim Hoffman Oconomowoc WI '39 Allis Model B '53 Ford Golden Jubilee '?? Bolens Huskie Gardener ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 09:56:37 CDT From: acordova-at-texas.net Subject: Re: Volvo diesel opinions > Alec, > > I used to post a lot on Brickboard. They are NOT helpful at all. When > my S70 was falling to pieces the other owners on there ignored my > problems until their cars started doing the same thing. As well > Bricboard is heavily patrolled by Volvo dealers and Volvo Cars of North > America who love to post mis information so you end up in their clutches > when you have no place else to turn. > > The 740 and 240 lines of automobile were GREAT cars. Even the gas model > vehicles last a long time. They were well constructed but they do still > have some common failure items. Parts are difficult to obtain and > expensive. > > Your right about the Volvo Seats. The S70 had THE most comfortble Volvo > Seat I have ever sat in. I have driven for 8-10 hours straight only > stopping for fuel and have been VERY comfortable in those seats. I do > like the Mercedes "suspension" in the seat concept but the Swedes were > really good about figuring out exactly where to put foam to make the > seat conform to your back. I miss my S70. I wish it had been as > realiable as the 740 before it. > > Robert Chase > Sad to hear that about Brickboard. I wonder why so few other makes have established helpful communities like our beloved Benzes? I thought the Volvo 740/760 was crap, or did that just apply to the 6 cylinder motor? Wasn't that a Peugeot/Renault/Volvo motor? Or maybe it was the 850, later renamed the S70. When I was a wee lad, we had a brand new 71 or 72 Volvo 145. I remember astoundingly comfortable seats, and when i started sneaking out with a car, I remember quite a bit of available vertical suspension travel. My mother remembers brake problems and understanding why people would pay for the electric overdrive (we figured that one out after we moved from Massachusetts to Texas). We also had a similar vintage Peugeot 504 that my father adored. he had a close friend that was a competent mechanic for both cars. I think that was a necessity of owning those kinds of cars back then. Alec ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 08:56:31 -0700 (PDT) From: hue wong Subject: Re: A couple of 240Ds Jeff, to bad you're clear over there. I'd have taken them in a sec. for here in seattle. Maybe you can box 'em up and mail 'em over ;-) - --- Jeff Domogala wrote: > Is there anyone out there that is interested in > either a 1977 240D parts car > or a 1982 240D that is still road worthy with a bit > of rust in the usual > front / rear fender areas? I've listed these in the > local sell-it paper > (Want Advertiser) at $300 for the pair. I've had > **0** replied in the last > 4 weeks they've been advertised. I figured there > would be some Benz nut > that needed parts, but I guess not. The 1977 car is > getting dangerously > close to meeting the crusher within the next couple > of days. I just need it > out of the barn. > > I don't know what's going to happen to the other > car, but it's looking grim > for that one as well. I tried to donate it without > success. They won't > take the car. So, if anyone wants to have a decent > 1982 car for driving or > parts, and wants to haul the car from Windham, NH, > contact me. Name your > price..... take it away. > > I also used to rebuild 240D engines so I have a > small collection of > specialized tools for the purpose. I even have some > gaskets (valve cover) > and engine seals still lying around. I also have a > spare injection pump > that'll fit 1977-1982 engines. I purchased it > rebuilt thinking another > injection pump was a problem, installed it, problem > still existed, took this > pump out to save it for later use, and it's been > sitting there ever since. > I'm sure someone could use it. > > Just e-mail me if you're interested in anything. > > Jeff __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 09:48:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Jerome Kaidor Subject: Re: Sneaky spam alert - no diesel content john wrote: > > there are a couple of slick ones out this weekend, one for paypal > trying to scarf credit card info and another one from cnn.com that > looks very interesting, but it's a virus... > *** All the more reason to read email on the stupidist of possible machines. I use Elm on my Linux server. No, I can't get graphics or read fancy HTML, but such emails are invariably from spammers anyway. - Jerry Kaidor ( jerry-at-tr2.com ) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 09:53:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Jerome Kaidor Subject: Re: Back to work on the 240D... Vernon Tuck wrote: > > Jim, > > If the REST of the floorboard is sound it would be easiest to cut out the > bad stuff and weld in a patch. > > There is a little pneumatic tool available which crimps out the edges of the > hole. You cut out the rusted metal then crimp all the way around the hole. > This creates a flange like this ---___ here's the hole ____---. > *** There is also a tool that can "waffle" the patch metal so it'll be stiff. It's a bench tool with a deep neck so you can do reasonably large pieces of metal. It costs $180 at Harbor Freight, but I've seen it on sale often for $89.95. - Jerry Kaidor ( jerry-at-tr2.com ) ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #1127 **********************************