From: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net (diesel-benz-digest) To: diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Subject: diesel-benz-digest V1 #1130 Reply-To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net Sender: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Errors-To: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Precedence: bulk diesel-benz-digest Wednesday, July 30 2003 Volume 01 : Number 1130 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: Sneaky spam alert - no diesel content Re: Sneaky spam alert - no diesel content picture of the '51 chevy MBUSA club? RE: MBUSA club? Re: lower ball joint Re: weird symptoms - of what? Re: Sneaky spam alert - no diesel content Re: MBUSA club? Re: weird symptoms - of what? Fortunate Misfortune Re: lower ball joint Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 18:44:13 -0700 From: Greg Fiorentino Subject: Re: Sneaky spam alert - no diesel content I also use Eudora. I think the feature that allows you to download headers only, then decide if you want to fetch the message or delete from the server is mandatory. I recall using SLMR for DOS to accomplish the same. Greg At 12:27 PM 7/29/03 , john wrote: >On Tue, 29 Jul 2003, Jerome Kaidor wrote: > > >-->john wrote: > >-->> there are a couple of slick ones out this weekend, one for paypal > >-->> trying to scarf credit card info and another one from cnn.com that > >-->> looks very interesting, but it's a virus... > >-->> > >-->*** All the more reason to read email on the stupidist of possible > machines. > >-->I use Elm on my Linux server. No, I can't get graphics or read fancy > HTML, but > >-->such emails are invariably from spammers anyway. > >--> - Jerry Kaidor ( jerry-at-tr2.com ) > >wait a minute... if the virus is aimed at a stupid person, trying to dupe >them, and Pine on Linux isn't capable of being duped, then how can >you say that's a stupid machine? Especially since you can view the >virus code using strings and determine that it is a very nasty thing. :) > >seems to me that outlook is the stupidest program as it is sucked in >by the fancy graphics and html and all that. :) > >FWIW, on my pc I use Eudora, very immune to virus, it's only if >the idiot operating the keyboard and mouse double clicks on an >attachment... ;) > >john > > > ---- > >------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** > Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. > ...and remember, leaving life without Jesus just isn't recommended... >------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ** john-at-wagoneers.com via PINE on Linux ** (plain text please!) >The revolt is underway, you can not stop it. FEAR THE PENGUIN!!!! > May the SOURCE be With GNU >------------------------------------------------------------------------- Greg Fiorentino gfior-at-dslnorthwest.net ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 19:26:56 -0700 From: john Subject: Re: Sneaky spam alert - no diesel content I set it to a max of 40K, most viruses are just over that so it allows me to go out to a Linux shell and use pine to see what it is and decide if I'll bring it down. That CNN.com virus just showed up with MNBC.com heading... john At 06:44 PM 7/29/2003 -0700, Greg Fiorentino wrote: >I also use Eudora. I think the feature that allows you to download >headers only, then decide if you want to fetch the message or delete from >the server is mandatory. I recall using SLMR for DOS to accomplish the same. > >Greg > >At 12:27 PM 7/29/03 , john wrote: >>On Tue, 29 Jul 2003, Jerome Kaidor wrote: >> >> >-->john wrote: >> >-->> there are a couple of slick ones out this weekend, one for paypal >> >-->> trying to scarf credit card info and another one from cnn.com that >> >-->> looks very interesting, but it's a virus... >> >-->> >> >-->*** All the more reason to read email on the stupidist of possible >> machines. >> >-->I use Elm on my Linux server. No, I can't get graphics or read >> fancy HTML, but >> >-->such emails are invariably from spammers anyway. >> >--> - Jerry Kaidor ( jerry-at-tr2.com ) >> >>wait a minute... if the virus is aimed at a stupid person, trying to dupe >>them, and Pine on Linux isn't capable of being duped, then how can >>you say that's a stupid machine? Especially since you can view the >>virus code using strings and determine that it is a very nasty thing. :) >> >>seems to me that outlook is the stupidest program as it is sucked in >>by the fancy graphics and html and all that. :) >> >>FWIW, on my pc I use Eudora, very immune to virus, it's only if >>the idiot operating the keyboard and mouse double clicks on an >>attachment... ;) >> >>john >> >> >> ---- >> >>------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** >> Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. >> ...and remember, leaving life without Jesus just isn't recommended... >>------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> ** john-at-wagoneers.com via PINE on Linux ** (plain text please!) >>The revolt is underway, you can not stop it. FEAR THE PENGUIN!!!! >> May the SOURCE be With GNU >>------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Greg Fiorentino >gfior-at-dslnorthwest.net - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... Jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 20:18:45 -0700 From: john Subject: picture of the '51 chevy A while back I shared the netscape link of the Cuban refugees fleeing Cuba on a '51 Chevy flatbed... the story intrigued me on two counts. 1) the desire for freedom and the resulting travesty and hardship that surely awaits those desiring freedom and 2) the loss of a classic truck. Of course most of the on line discussions centered on the truck. Well folks, it's worse then we first expected. The truck looks great. Now, I have one hope, that the attention we're paying to this gets back to Cuba and those on that truck are spared a great deal of hardship because of their attempt at freedom. Perhaps the media can actually do some good this time and help those folks by following up on the story to see what happened to them! Anyway, One of the interns at my church found a picture of the truck, so I included his message to his group and the original story for all to see in the link below. http://www.wagoneers.com/pages/History/cubans-51chev.html BTW, anyone got scuba gear in South Florida and a big winch? I mentioned this story to my son and he wanted to get 55 gallon drums and tie them on his '79 Golden Eagle Cherokee to make it float... :) Which of course gave me some ideas... if only I still had a welder and access to about ten 55 gallon drums and some angle iron and some plate steel... :) later, john - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- john-at-wagoneers.com http://www.wagoneers.com Real FREEDOM comes through knowing Jesus http://www.helpmewithbiblestudy.org/ - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 20:23:52 -0700 From: john Subject: MBUSA club? what's the link to sign up to the mbusa club or whatever it's called? you know the star magazine people... I must be looking in the wrong place, can't find it... duh... john - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... Jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 22:28:47 -0500 From: "Alec Cordova" Subject: RE: MBUSA club? > what's the link to sign up to the mbusa club or whatever > it's called? you know the star magazine people... I must > be looking in the wrong place, can't find it... duh... > > john Try www.mbca.org, or visit the friendly folks at your nearest dealership. ;-) Alec ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 20:54:23 -0700 From: Kevin Pekarek Subject: Re: lower ball joint On Tue, Jul 29, 2003 at 07:54:33PM -0700, Mike Frank wrote: > First of all, there should be no need to realign the front end after > installing just a new ball joint. It may SEEM like radical surgery, but you > aren't changing the centerlines. So when it's all back together, you will > still be in alignment (assuming you were ok to start out). On the other > hand, if you take out the lower control arm, you WILL need to realign, > since you can't remove the lower control arm without upsetting the camber > adjustment. > > The process is brutally simple: the ball joint is a press fit in the lower > control arm. But it takes many tons of pressure to push in or out. Without > the Benz service tools, the easiest way to do this is to remove the lower > control arm and work on a hydraulic press. This will require a wheel > alignment afterwards. > > If your mechanic has the thingamagiggy that allows the joint to be forced > out with the control arm in place, then that's the best alternative of the > three, since it's out with the old, in with the new and no alignment. But > make sure that's the case before you commit. > > I did this once by pounding the joint in and out. It's cheap, but I can't > recommend the procedure. Okay, next question, was it you who mentioned the $60 ish tool from harbor freight to replace ball joints? If it was, does this tool assume you took the control arm off? I know this is harbor freight we're talking about, but is it heavy duty enough to work on a larger truck? Thanks... K - -- Kevin Pekarek Redwood City, CA (near San Francisco) and Los Osos, CA (near San Luis Obispo) 85 190D (2.2, 5spd) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 02:20:09 -0500 From: Jon Filina Subject: Re: weird symptoms - of what? Paul wrote: > 123 started fine this morning. The battery light is lit. Turn signals > don't work. Fuel gauge goes to empty when I press the brake switch. > Engine kill solenoid inoperative. Headlamps are bright. AND thevacuum > locking system is inoperative. > > I'm not a fan of multiple things going wrong all at once, so suspectthat > these are all a symptom of something. But what? And if its an > electrical demon, why are the locks affected? I'm coming in here a bit late, but here I is... The vacuum and electrical problems can't be related as far as I can tell. But, where do you park your car. Could a mouse have gotten into it and lunched on both vacuum and electrical lines?? There is no "engine kill solenoid", it's vacuum. If all things vacuum on your 123 suddenly die, I'd suspect the vacuum pump, itself. If the "accumulator" in the truck has a hole in it, I'd go mouse hunting. The electrical parts sound suspiciously like my 240D ordeal where it turned out that the hot wire connections on the headlight switch had loosened up. Until my mechanic and I found the problem, I'd have unexpected interuptions that caused the turn signals to not work, or the heater/blower motor to die, or the gauges to go dead which all pointed to the ignition switch. The headlights ALWAYS worked, which meant we never checked the switch. I'd check the vacuum at the pump to determine that side of it. The older pumps (diaphragm type) can be rebuilt, but the newer ones can't. They aren't cheap.... Pull the headlight switch and loosen, then tighten the connections. If your key is "sloppy" in the ignition, you're probably best off replacing it. Again, it's not cheap... Have fun! The 123's are worth it and I wish that stupid broad hadn't rear ended my 240D. I love my 300SD, but the 240D was just right for me. Jon '84 300SD 163,000 mi. "Bruno" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 02:26:10 -0500 From: Jon Filina Subject: Re: Sneaky spam alert - no diesel content Robert wrote: > I use Mozilla as my mail client. Has A GREAT spam filter. I hardly see > any spam anymore. Ditto here, under Linux. Mozilla offers an MS version which should work just as good. Jon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 03:18:28 -0500 From: Jon Filina Subject: Re: MBUSA club? Big John wrote: > what's the link to sign up to the mbusa club or whatever > it's called? you know the star magazine people... I must > be looking in the wrong place, can't find it... duh... Alec gave you the link, I'll give you the stink! ;-) I joined the club in 1998 after meeting Gloria, and I can't remember her hyphenated last name, at a get together here in Texas. She and her husband were really nice people. You needed a sponsor to join, and the dealer was good enough, but she was my sponsor. After 3 years, I decided not to renew my membership. The only benefits were a 10% discount from the dealer, which could easily be matched or beaten by the likes of Rusty and his counterparts and the Star Magazine. Was the 35 bucks or so a year for the Star magazine worth it? Maybe... I dropped out because of the politics. The magazine is nice, but the constant bickering, and resulting "spam" messages got to me. If I want to get some information about my car from Stu Ritter, one of the technical contributors for the magazine, I'll ask him directly because he's the co-owner of the other list I subscribe to. If I have a question about my diesel, I ask Marshall Booth, a contributor to the Star who is also a member of the same list. If I want a copy of the Star, I'll head to Half Priced Books and find it. Is the Star magazine worth $35 a year for 1/2 dozen copies? Not to me... The MBCNA club has lost their direction, if they ever had it to begin with... Jon '84 3000SD 163,100 mi. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 07:40:13 -0400 From: Paul Brown Subject: Re: weird symptoms - of what? It gets weirder. I dropped the car off for an alignment at the local cut rate fix-it-all shop. (I figured there isn't too much they can screw up while aligning the wheels.) When I picked up the car - everything worked just fine! Locks worked. Turn signals worked. Engine shut off. I doubt the car is self-healing, and I wasn't smoking anything I shouldn't have when I noticed the symptoms. So, some sort of intermittent difficulty. Or a poltergeist. Jon Filina wrote: > Paul wrote: > >> 123 started fine this morning. The battery light is lit. Turn >> signals don't work. Fuel gauge goes to empty when I press the brake >> switch. Engine kill solenoid inoperative. Headlamps are bright. AND >> thevacuum locking system is inoperative. >> >> I'm not a fan of multiple things going wrong all at once, so >> suspectthat these are all a symptom of something. But what? And if >> its an electrical demon, why are the locks affected? > > > I'm coming in here a bit late, but here I is... > > The vacuum and electrical problems can't be related as far as I can > tell. But, where do you park your car. Could a mouse have gotten > into it and lunched on both vacuum and electrical lines?? > > There is no "engine kill solenoid", it's vacuum. If all things vacuum > on your 123 suddenly die, I'd suspect the vacuum pump, itself. If the > "accumulator" in the truck has a hole in it, I'd go mouse hunting. > > The electrical parts sound suspiciously like my 240D ordeal where it > turned out that the hot wire connections on the headlight switch had > loosened up. Until my mechanic and I found the problem, I'd have > unexpected interuptions that caused the turn signals to not work, or > the heater/blower motor to die, or the gauges to go dead which all > pointed to the ignition switch. The headlights ALWAYS worked, which > meant we never checked the switch. > > I'd check the vacuum at the pump to determine that side of it. The > older pumps (diaphragm type) can be rebuilt, but the newer ones can't. > They aren't cheap.... > > Pull the headlight switch and loosen, then tighten the connections. > If your key is "sloppy" in the ignition, you're probably best off > replacing it. Again, it's not cheap... > > Have fun! The 123's are worth it and I wish that stupid broad hadn't > rear ended my 240D. I love my 300SD, but the 240D was just right for > me. > > Jon > '84 300SD 163,000 mi. "Bruno" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 07:37:46 -0400 From: Robert Chase Subject: Fortunate Misfortune Went for a late night grocery run last night and heard a weird sound from under the hood and then the steering got really stiff on my car. I pulled over and discovered that my power steering belt had snapped and was wrapped partially around the fan. A few minutes of pulling and prying and I finally got out my swiss army knife and cut the belt and drove home. Your probably wondering what the fortunate thing is about this whole situation right? I discovered that my A/C compressor belt had also "gone away" and is probably the cause for my lack of cool air that I had grown to like. Im gonna see if my mechanic can slip me in this morning and replace all of my belts. Hopefully I will have working A/C and working Power Steering by the end of the day as the Accord is still in the shop as well. I have a feeling that the A/C belt had something to do with the power steering belt as it probably whacked around in there for a bit before departing through the underside of my car :). Amazing engineering in there though. I have had Honda's and other cars with "shared" belts for accessories and engine critical items like water pumps. Each item has its own belt except for the critical items like the water pump and alternator. Which are shared but have two belts to run them for redundancy even if one snapped you still have an alternator and water pump. Mercedes really designed the "limp home" type of engineering into their cars. Even the fuse box is setup the same way with single headlamps on different fuses to keep one single fuse from killing all critical exterior lighting in the event of a short or blown fuse. Even the power sterring being missing was not a horrible thing. The sterring required more effort but some american cars are completely undrivable because of the steering effort required to turn the wheel without power assist :). Robert Chase ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 08:21:02 -0700 From: Mike Frank Subject: Re: lower ball joint It wasn't me, but there are tools that allow you to press out the joint without removing the arm. Mike Frank At 08:54 PM 7/29/2003 -0700, you wrote: >Okay, next question, was it you who mentioned the $60 ish tool from harbor >freight to replace ball joints? If it was, does this tool assume you took the >control arm off? I know this is harbor freight we're talking about, but is >it heavy duty enough to work on a larger truck?\ ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #1130 **********************************