From: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net (diesel-benz-digest) To: diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Subject: diesel-benz-digest V1 #1140 Reply-To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net Sender: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Errors-To: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Precedence: bulk diesel-benz-digest Tuesday, August 5 2003 Volume 01 : Number 1140 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: Diesel Anti Theft? Fuel Pressure Re: Fuel Pressure Re: Fuel Pressure New Home for John's 190D Re: New Home for John's 190D Re: New Home for John's 190D Re: Diesel Anti Theft? Re: New Home for John's 190D 190D is back from the dealer Re: New Home for John's 190D A/C Compressor Madness Re: 190D is back from the dealer Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. 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Furthermore a former mechanic reported that he "turned up the fuel pressure" just a bit. I mentioned this to my new, current mechanic and he claimed that there was no such adjustment (other than a screw to adjust for atmospheric pressure) So either I mis-remembered both what I read on this list and what my previous mechanic told me, or this guy is mis-informed. I am perfectly willing to believe that I am wrong, but I would like some confirmation. Can anybody confirm or refute that there is an adjustment like this? Thanks - -- jack ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 15:08:30 -0700 From: "Paul Schwartz" Subject: Re: Fuel Pressure There is an adjustment that will "enrich the mixture" somewhat. I think is device is called an ALDA. There has been debate here as to what ALDA stands for. I suspect that's what the previous mechanic was referring too. Paul 77 240D - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack Tavares" To: Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 2:43 PM Subject: Fuel Pressure > So, I have an 83 300d. > I *thought* i remember someone on this list > talking about an adjustment that can be done > to the fuel pump or ?? to fiddle with the fuel > pressure or delivery volume. > > Furthermore a former mechanic reported > that he "turned up the fuel pressure" just a bit. > > I mentioned this to my new, current mechanic > and he claimed that there was no such adjustment > (other than a screw to adjust for atmospheric > pressure) > > So either I mis-remembered both what I read > on this list and what my previous mechanic told me, > or this guy is mis-informed. > > I am perfectly willing to believe that I am wrong, > but I would like some confirmation. > > Can anybody confirm or refute that there is an adjustment > like this? > > Thanks > -- > jack ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 15:34:31 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: Fuel Pressure yeah, you can crank up the pump a bit... screw on the back side of the pump... makes it "richer" or leaner... I bought one 240D that ran like a 300d... looked in the mirror on the freeway and I knew with certainty that there were NO mosquitos back there. :) failed the emissions test too... adjusted the screw, passed the tests and the skeeters were happy... :) john On Mon, 4 Aug 2003, Jack Tavares wrote: >-->So, I have an 83 300d. >-->I *thought* i remember someone on this list >-->talking about an adjustment that can be done >-->to the fuel pump or ?? to fiddle with the fuel >-->pressure or delivery volume. >--> >-->Furthermore a former mechanic reported >-->that he "turned up the fuel pressure" just a bit. >--> >-->I mentioned this to my new, current mechanic >-->and he claimed that there was no such adjustment >-->(other than a screw to adjust for atmospheric >-->pressure) >--> >-->So either I mis-remembered both what I read >-->on this list and what my previous mechanic told me, >-->or this guy is mis-informed. >--> >-->I am perfectly willing to believe that I am wrong, >-->but I would like some confirmation. >--> >-->Can anybody confirm or refute that there is an adjustment >-->like this? >--> >-->Thanks >-->-- >-->jack >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. ...and remember, leaving life without Jesus just isn't recommended... - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** john-at-wagoneers.com via PINE on Linux ** (plain text please!) The revolt is underway, you can not stop it. FEAR THE PENGUIN!!!! May the SOURCE be With GNU - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 17:01:09 -0600 From: Subject: New Home for John's 190D I made it home from Seattle at about 2:20 AM on Sunday Morning. Saturday was a long day (got up at 5 AM to catch the flight), but it was an enjoyable drive from Seattle to Sacramento. I guess my total time was just under 14 hours. I stopped at taco bell for 20 minutes in Tacoma, and then just ate some snacks when I filled up in Oregon. I got 31.5 mpg on the first tank and 31 mpg on the second tank - total cost of about $42. I filled up about 30 miles from Sacramento....I added one quart of oil in Redding. It rained through most of Oregon and Northern California. The 190D handled great on the freeway curves, even on the wet pavement. I missed not having a turbo...I slowed to 45-50 mph on several of the long climbs. If you can hit the hill above 60 mph, it usually can hold it, but anything less and it drops down to 45 mph. Just doesn't have enough umph in that range. When you kick it down at 50, it screams at 4000 RPM and blows smoke...that's probably why I only got 31 mpg on the second leg. Overall, its a great car. I was surprised at how it still has that "heavy" feeling of the larger Mercedes, even though it's a bit smaller. The turning radius is great and the ride is smooth. The color is nice because dirt won't show too much. I also love how the engine braking works in this one....at 60-70 mph, you run 3200-3700 RPM, so when you release the gas petal, it slows quite nicely as the engine provides resistance...you can pretty much control your speed with the accelerator petal, even going down hills and around corners....it's almost like having a manual transmission! At the slower speeds, it's not as pronounced, but I suppose I could shift down to 2nd for a similar effect around town. :) Thanks for the great car John!! It was nice to finally meet the legendary John Meister face to face. ;) R, Scott - -- Scott Haaland 96 6.5L TurboDiesel Chevy Suburban K1500 - Heavy Half 85 190D - 2.2 Liter non-Turbo 80 300 SD W116 - The Silver Hornet - FOR SALE 87 Acura Legend - FOR SALE 83 VW Vanagon - FOR SALE soon (almost smog-able in CA-fingers crossed) 69 Chevy 3/4 Ton Pickup ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 16:19:22 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: New Home for John's 190D I miss the compressive braking that the 190d had, the 300d doesn't behave the same. :) One thought came to mind on the fuel economy, I never finished adjusting the timing. It was a pleasure to meet you as well Scott. Very happy you made it back ok. :) Rain? We haven't had any up here for a long time... :) Hope the car gives you lots of troublefree and economical service. :) I'm really liking this 300D as well... speaking of which, I have to drive about 40 miles in a few minutes to go teach. :) john On Mon, 4 Aug 2003 scott_haaland-at-agilent.com wrote: >-->I made it home from Seattle at about 2:20 AM on Sunday Morning. Saturday was >-->a long day (got up at 5 AM to catch the flight), but it was an enjoyable drive >-->from Seattle to Sacramento. I guess my total time was just under 14 hours. I >-->stopped at taco bell for 20 minutes in Tacoma, and then just ate some snacks >-->when I filled up in Oregon. I got 31.5 mpg on the first tank and 31 mpg on >-->the second tank - total cost of about $42. I filled up about 30 miles from >-->Sacramento....I added one quart of oil in Redding. It rained through most of >-->Oregon and Northern California. The 190D handled great on the freeway curves, >-->even on the wet pavement. I missed not having a turbo...I slowed to 45-50 mph >-->on several of the long climbs. If you can hit the hill above 60 mph, it >-->usually can hold it, but anything less and it drops down to 45 mph. Just >-->doesn't have enough umph in that range. When you kick it down at 50, it >-->screams at 4000 RPM and blows smoke...that's probably why I only got 31 mpg on >-->the second leg. >--> >-->Overall, its a great car. I was surprised at how it still has that "heavy" >-->feeling of the larger Mercedes, even though it's a bit smaller. The turning >-->radius is great and the ride is smooth. The color is nice because dirt won't >-->show too much. I also love how the engine braking works in this one....at >-->60-70 mph, you run 3200-3700 RPM, so when you release the gas petal, it slows >-->quite nicely as the engine provides resistance...you can pretty much control >-->your speed with the accelerator petal, even going down hills and around >-->corners....it's almost like having a manual transmission! At the slower >-->speeds, it's not as pronounced, but I suppose I could shift down to 2nd for a >-->similar effect around town. :) >--> >-->Thanks for the great car John!! It was nice to finally meet the legendary >-->John Meister face to face. ;) >--> >-->R, >-->Scott >-->-- >-->Scott Haaland >--> >-->96 6.5L TurboDiesel Chevy Suburban K1500 - Heavy Half >-->85 190D - 2.2 Liter non-Turbo >-->80 300 SD W116 - The Silver Hornet - FOR SALE >-->87 Acura Legend - FOR SALE >-->83 VW Vanagon - FOR SALE soon (almost smog-able in CA-fingers crossed) >-->69 Chevy 3/4 Ton Pickup >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. ...and remember, leaving life without Jesus just isn't recommended... - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** john-at-wagoneers.com via PINE on Linux ** (plain text please!) The revolt is underway, you can not stop it. FEAR THE PENGUIN!!!! May the SOURCE be With GNU - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 16:29:22 -0700 From: Kevin Pekarek Subject: Re: New Home for John's 190D On Mon, Aug 04, 2003 at 05:01:09PM -0600, scott_haaland-at-agilent.com wrote: > I made it home from Seattle at about 2:20 AM on Sunday Morning. Saturday was > a long day (got up at 5 AM to catch the flight), but it was an enjoyable drive > from Seattle to Sacramento. I guess my total time was just under 14 hours. I > stopped at taco bell for 20 minutes in Tacoma, and then just ate some snacks > when I filled up in Oregon. I got 31.5 mpg on the first tank and 31 mpg on > the second tank - total cost of about $42. I filled up about 30 miles from > Sacramento....I added one quart of oil in Redding. It rained through most of > Oregon and Northern California. The 190D handled great on the freeway curves, > even on the wet pavement. I missed not having a turbo...I slowed to 45-50 mph > on several of the long climbs. If you can hit the hill above 60 mph, it > usually can hold it, but anything less and it drops down to 45 mph. Just > doesn't have enough umph in that range. When you kick it down at 50, it > screams at 4000 RPM and blows smoke...that's probably why I only got 31 mpg on > the second leg. I noticed mine tends to leave a trail if I get on it hard too. I wasn't able to straight shoot it in one day - I left John's a little later than I probably should have, and then stopped off to visit Curtis in Centralia and DEFINATELY left there later than I wanted to. I also got caught in a freak weather pattern south of tacoma - gnarly hail storm that actually dumped a little snow down. I wasn't too happy about that. Made it to Oakland, OR around 3:00 AM and got a hotel room for the night. Stopped in Medford the next morning for some stuff, and made it to san francisco by 5:30 PM. I didn't have any problems going up hills - but a good number of them I was in fourth gear doing 55. > Overall, its a great car. I was surprised at how it still has that "heavy" > feeling of the larger Mercedes, even though it's a bit smaller. The turning > radius is great and the ride is smooth. The color is nice because dirt won't > show too much. I also love how the engine braking works in this one....at > 60-70 mph, you run 3200-3700 RPM, so when you release the gas petal, it slows > quite nicely as the engine provides resistance...you can pretty much control > your speed with the accelerator petal, even going down hills and around > corners....it's almost like having a manual transmission! At the slower > speeds, it's not as pronounced, but I suppose I could shift down to 2nd for a > similar effect around town. :) It really is amazing how the little cars feel - it really DOES feel a lot bigger than it is. Your car spins harder going down the road - when I got it from Derick, 3000 was 70 mph. With the new tranny, it changed a bit - 3000 rpm is now about 75 mph. I have yet to drive an automatic 190D. > Thanks for the great car John!! It was nice to finally meet the legendary > John Meister face to face. ;) Did he take you on a hill climb in the XJ ? :) K - -- Kevin Pekarek Redwood City, CA (near San Francisco) and Los Osos, CA (near San Luis Obispo) 85 190D (2.2, 5spd) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 15:49:49 +0100 From: Renaud OLGIATI Subject: Re: Diesel Anti Theft? My mailbox was recently graced by a missive from Paul Schwartz : > I once parked a motorcycle in front of the Chico, CA police department HQ > and someone stole the headlight. Six months ago, our Vice-Consul parked his official car, with diplomatic plates, one night in front of our Embassador's residence, under a streetlight, in front of the kiosk where the policeman on guard duty sits. It was stolen and never recovered. Cheers, Ron, on the banks of the Paraguay River. - -- May your S.O. always know when you need a hug. -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 18:05:27 -0700 From: "DerickAA" Subject: Re: New Home for John's 190D > If you can hit the hill above 60 mph, it >usually can hold it, but anything less and it drops down to 45 mph. Amen brother! Heh... :) Derick ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 18:08:56 -0700 From: Kevin Pekarek Subject: 190D is back from the dealer Well, the 190D is back from the dealer, with them doing just what I originally requested. Car needs an alignment (and I'll have that done elsewhere), and I should replace the bushings at the top of the struts, but that's not near as critical as they lead me to believe (then again, they wanted $870 to replace them (!)). They also did me the favor (!) of messing up my water temperature gauge. It was in the 90s in walnut creek today, and the car never came off the peg at 40 degrees after a fifteen minute drive. Hopefully, they just unplugged something somewhere. Either way, I'm never going back there again. Anyways, it's back, and after I get the alignment and that water gauge working, I'll be driving it to work instead of the big fords :) K - -- Kevin Pekarek Redwood City, CA (near San Francisco) and Los Osos, CA (near San Luis Obispo) 85 190D (2.2, 5spd) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 20:18:19 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: New Home for John's 190D On Mon, 4 Aug 2003, Kevin Pekarek wrote: >-->Did he take you on a hill climb in the XJ ? :) you forgot to mention that we had a trailer attached too... ;) nah, we took the paved driveway out. Actually, he was driving... :) Maybe he knew better. :) john ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. ...and remember, leaving life without Jesus just isn't recommended... - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** john-at-wagoneers.com via PINE on Linux ** (plain text please!) The revolt is underway, you can not stop it. FEAR THE PENGUIN!!!! May the SOURCE be With GNU - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2003 23:18:25 -0400 From: Robert Chase Subject: A/C Compressor Madness Does anybody know how many bolts the GM produced w-126 A/C compressor has to loosen in order to get the belt on? I have my power steering pump already loosened and it has 4 or 3 bolts (I forget) that hold it on and one "adjustment" bolt. For some reason I cant seem to find the adjustment bolt on the A/C compressor. Of course being low down in the bowels of an oily enging does not help especially in the dark. I am packing up the tools now and will probably try again in the morning. Robert Chase ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2003 22:46:00 -0700 From: john Subject: Re: 190D is back from the dealer temp gauge is in the middle of the block, driver's side, between the intake manifold runners... I had to rewire the one on mine in a parking lot... they tend to corrode and vibrate loose and then the wiring breaks... my mechanic didn't reconnect mine either, it looked like it was there, but it wasn't connected... look down at the center and you'll see it... piece o' cake. john At 06:08 PM 8/4/2003 -0700, Kevin Pekarek wrote: >Well, the 190D is back from the dealer, with them doing just what I >originally requested. Car needs an alignment (and I'll have that done >elsewhere), and I should replace the bushings at the top of the struts, >but that's not near as critical as they lead me to believe (then again, >they wanted $870 to replace them (!)). They also did me the favor (!) of >messing up my water temperature gauge. It was in the 90s in walnut creek >today, and the car never came off the peg at 40 degrees after a fifteen >minute drive. Hopefully, they just unplugged something somewhere. Either >way, I'm never going back there again. > >Anyways, it's back, and after I get the alignment and that water gauge >working, I'll be driving it to work instead of the big fords :) > >K > >-- >Kevin Pekarek >Redwood City, CA (near San Francisco) and >Los Osos, CA (near San Luis Obispo) >85 190D (2.2, 5spd) - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... 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