From: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net (diesel-benz-digest) To: diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Subject: diesel-benz-digest V1 #1141 Reply-To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net Sender: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Errors-To: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Precedence: bulk diesel-benz-digest Tuesday, August 5 2003 Volume 01 : Number 1141 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: Rube Goldberg would love this. Re: A/C Compressor Madness Re: A/C Compressor Madness "move up" from 240D? Re: move up from 240D? Re: "move up" from 240D? Re[2]: move up from 240D? the link to the file, again Re: "move up" from 240D? Re: move up from 240D? Re: Diesel Anti Theft? Re: Diesel Anti Theft? Re: Diesel Anti Theft? Re: Diesel Anti Theft? Re: Re[2]: move up from 240D? Re: Diesel Anti Theft? Re: move up from 240D? A/C Compressor Madness Re: Diesel Anti Theft? Re: Diesel Anti Theft? Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2003 02:02:42 -0500 From: Jon Filina Subject: Re: Rube Goldberg would love this. Dan wrote: > Does anyone know how to download a copy of that movie? I have tried, but the thing wants to run > from the html location only. I thought there had been a reply to this, but I guess not. I may have done this the hard way, but, being the good former Marine that I am, it got the job done. After watching the entire spot, I shut down Mozilla (Netscape) and went over to the cache files. I found the biggest one there, with a current date, and brought it up in a text editor to confirm it was the correct file. It was, so I copied, and renamed it, to a different directory. There may be an easier way to do it, but I haven't found it. It IS one cool commercial! Jon '84 300SD 163,450 mi. "Bruno" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 07:15:33 -0500 From: John Fieber Subject: Re: A/C Compressor Madness On Monday, August 4, 2003, at 10:18 PM, Robert Chase wrote: > Does anybody know how many bolts the GM produced w-126 A/C compressor > has to loosen in order to get the belt on? I'm guessing you have a 617 engine with an R4 compressor by your description...should be three bolts as I recall. One is a pivot, but it helps to have it loose. Then there is a small (10mm?) bolt to adjust. I need to tighten my compressor belt. > Of course being low down in the bowels of an oily enging does not help > especially in the dark. In a 123 the bolts are much easier to get at from under the car, except the small adjustment bolt. - -john ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2003 08:32:51 -0400 From: Robert Chase Subject: Re: A/C Compressor Madness Hey, Thanks for the response. Ill look to see what I can find under there. My A/C compressor mounting bolts are 19mm bolts and the Power steering bolts are 13mm. The adjusting bolt on the PS pump is a different size I notice . Its light out there now and Im not so tired. :) Robert Chase John Fieber wrote: > On Monday, August 4, 2003, at 10:18 PM, Robert Chase wrote: > >> Does anybody know how many bolts the GM produced w-126 A/C compressor >> has to loosen in order to get the belt on? > > > I'm guessing you have a 617 engine with an R4 compressor by your > description...should be three bolts as I recall. One is a pivot, but it > helps to have it loose. Then there is a small (10mm?) bolt to adjust. > I need to tighten my compressor belt. > >> Of course being low down in the bowels of an oily enging does not help >> especially in the dark. > > > In a 123 the bolts are much easier to get at from under the car, except > the small adjustment bolt. > > -john ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2003 10:26:18 -0400 From: Paul Brown Subject: "move up" from 240D? Which turbo engine/chassis combination has been the most trouble, and trouble-free, over the long haul? I have my sights set on a 300 SDL with the 617 engine, but wonder if there is a better choice among the old tanks. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 09:37:27 CDT From: acordova-at-texas.net Subject: Re: move up from 240D? > Which turbo engine/chassis combination has been the most trouble, and > trouble-free, over the long haul? I have my sights set on a 300 SDL > with the 617 engine, but wonder if there is a better choice among the > old tanks. > I'm not aware of an L version of the W126 with the OM617 5 cylinder. I think it would include the 6 cylinder OM603, which was more powerful but less bomb proof. IMHO, in a W126 S class, the OM617 5 cylinder turbodiesel used through 1985 is the most reliable motor. As a platform for the OM617, though, I think the slightly less massive W123 chassis is a little better matched to the 120 or so hp. That would be a 1982 through 1985 (US model years) 300D. Alec Cordova Taylor, Texas 89 300CE, 160K previous 85 300D, 95 C280, 80 240D, 63 190c, the 300D was the best of the bunch, the C280 was easily the most troublesome ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2003 10:39:49 -0400 From: "J.B. Hebert" Subject: Re: "move up" from 240D? Pretty much any body which contained the OM617 engine will be a good car. Be careful when you look, however: The 300SD was an OM617, the 350SDL was not and should be avoided. Some non-OM617 cars had either a 3.5 liter 5 cylinder or a 6 cylinder engine, both of which had problems. You're looking at anything between 1982 and 1985 for turbo OM617 engines. Good luck. J.B. At 10:26 AM 8/5/2003 -0400, you wrote: >Which turbo engine/chassis combination has been the most trouble, and >trouble-free, over the long haul? I have my sights set on a 300 SDL with >the 617 engine, but wonder if there is a better choice among the old tanks. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 10:49:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Richard Welty Subject: Re[2]: move up from 240D? On Tue, 5 Aug 2003 09:37:27 CDT acordova-at-texas.net wrote: > As a platform for the OM617, though, I think the slightly less massive > W123 > chassis is a little better matched to the 120 or so hp. That would be a > 1982 > through 1985 (US model years) 300D. the W123s are really nice cars if you can come up with a clean sample. appropriately sized, with good room and a good trunk. the normally aspirated ones aren't even all that bad (i think the normally aspirated motor appeared in 1976 or 1977), if a bit slower than the turbo version. they're certainly more powerful than the 240D. richard (got rid of our 1977 300d last week, no more W123s in the car inventory) - -- Richard Welty rwelty-at-suespammers.org Averill Park Networking rwelty-at-averillpark.net Unix, Linux, IP Network Engineering, Security rwelty-at-krusty-motorsports.com 518-573-7592 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 08:14:55 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: the link to the file, again http://home.comcast.net/~bernhard36/hhonda-ad-300k.swf save as... ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. ...and remember, leaving life without Jesus just isn't recommended... - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** john-at-wagoneers.com via PINE on Linux ** (plain text please!) The revolt is underway, you can not stop it. FEAR THE PENGUIN!!!! May the SOURCE be With GNU - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2003 11:32:21 -0400 From: Robert Chase Subject: Re: "move up" from 240D? Hmmm, Never seen a 617 powered L model. I have a 617 powered SD and its essentially the same car minus a few pounds of extra length (and minus the nicer wheels the SDL gets). I have yet to have an engine related problem out of my SD (unless you count my failure to see a belt about to snap). It runs like the fine movement of a swiss timepiece. The only things I am seeing is the failures of items in the 126 chassis due to its additional complexity over the 123 chassis. The simplicity of my brothers 123 is attractive but I dont at all mind the repairs to be driving the nicer car. On the road the S class is more comfortable and rides better in my opinion. John put some photos of my car up on his site here is the URL. http://wagoneers.com/DieselBenz/CARS/300SD-pix/ I would suggest poking around ebay and getting a set of the H4 euro lamps for the 126. Makes them look a lot newer than the square sealed beams. People are astonished that my car is a 1982. Robert Chase Paul Brown wrote: > Which turbo engine/chassis combination has been the most trouble, and > trouble-free, over the long haul? I have my sights set on a 300 SDL > with the 617 engine, but wonder if there is a better choice among the > old tanks. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2003 11:36:47 -0400 From: Robert Chase Subject: Re: move up from 240D? Agreed, My brother's 123 is in great shape and is a nice little car. His car is a turbo and we got a great deal on it. The only down side is the color of the car is "hell beige". Hell in german means light but the translation works in both languages because the color is really ugly. He is probably going to have it painted another color soon. Robert Chase Richard Welty wrote: > On Tue, 5 Aug 2003 09:37:27 CDT acordova-at-texas.net wrote: > >>As a platform for the OM617, though, I think the slightly less massive >>W123 >>chassis is a little better matched to the 120 or so hp. That would be a >>1982 >>through 1985 (US model years) 300D. > > > the W123s are really nice cars if you can come up with a clean sample. > appropriately sized, with good room and a good trunk. > > the normally aspirated ones aren't even all that bad (i think the normally > aspirated motor appeared in 1976 or 1977), if a bit slower than the turbo > version. they're certainly more powerful than the 240D. > > richard > (got rid of our 1977 300d last week, no more W123s in the car inventory) > -- > Richard Welty > rwelty-at-suespammers.org Averill Park Networking > rwelty-at-averillpark.net Unix, Linux, IP Network Engineering, Security > rwelty-at-krusty-motorsports.com 518-573-7592 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 11:49:21 -0400 From: "Eurowerks" Subject: Re: Diesel Anti Theft? I am coming into this conversation on the tail end, so excuse me if I am mistaken, but why not just keep the factory alarm that is already in the car? Kirk A. Gilchrist EURO-WERKS / Mercedes-Benz, BMW, Volvo Service and Repair 8 South Highland St. / Winchester, KY 40391 / 859-745-0125 eurowerks-at-qx.net / 888-522-0271 toll free ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2003 11:52:30 -0400 From: Robert Chase Subject: Re: Diesel Anti Theft? 126's came with antitheft systems? If so where does one find parts for such beasties :) A factory alarm would be MUCH more attractive if they exist :) Robert Chase Eurowerks wrote: > I am coming into this conversation on the tail end, so excuse me if I am > mistaken, but why not just keep the factory alarm that is already in the > car? > > Kirk A. Gilchrist > EURO-WERKS / Mercedes-Benz, BMW, Volvo Service and Repair > 8 South Highland St. / Winchester, KY 40391 / 859-745-0125 > eurowerks-at-qx.net / 888-522-0271 toll free ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 08:58:36 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: Diesel Anti Theft? which one is that? (waiting for the answer which will probably be something involving clatter and smoke. ;) john On Tue, 5 Aug 2003, Eurowerks wrote: >-->I am coming into this conversation on the tail end, so excuse me if I am >-->mistaken, but why not just keep the factory alarm that is already in the >-->car? >--> >-->Kirk A. Gilchrist >-->EURO-WERKS / Mercedes-Benz, BMW, Volvo Service and Repair >-->8 South Highland St. / Winchester, KY 40391 / 859-745-0125 >-->eurowerks-at-qx.net / 888-522-0271 toll free >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. ...and remember, leaving life without Jesus just isn't recommended... - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** john-at-wagoneers.com via PINE on Linux ** (plain text please!) The revolt is underway, you can not stop it. FEAR THE PENGUIN!!!! May the SOURCE be With GNU - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 11:03:56 CDT From: acordova-at-texas.net Subject: Re: Diesel Anti Theft? IIRC, if your Master Key has a red dot on both sides (almost 1/4 inch wide; hard to miss), you have a factory alarm system. It does not include a keyless remote. It honks the horn and flashes the lights. It probably also disables something or other. If you have a red-dot key, have someone lock the car from the drivers door with the master key while you are inside. Then open a door. To shut the alarm off, unlock the driver door with the key. This system is the purpose for the hood pinswitch. By now you've noticed there is no light bulb under there. Alec > which one is that? > > (waiting for the answer which will probably be something > involving clatter and smoke. ;) > > john > > On Tue, 5 Aug 2003, Eurowerks wrote: > > >-->I am coming into this conversation on the tail end, so excuse me if I am > >-->mistaken, but why not just keep the factory alarm that is already in the > >-->car? > >--> > >-->Kirk A. Gilchrist ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 09:24:08 -0700 From: "Paul Schwartz" Subject: Re: Re[2]: move up from 240D? > the normally aspirated ones aren't even all that bad (i think the normally > aspirated motor appeared in 1976 or 1977), if a bit slower than the turbo > version. they're certainly more powerful than the 240D. Yes, but life in the slow lane has it's benifits. Paul ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2003 12:26:46 -0400 From: Robert Chase Subject: Re: Diesel Anti Theft? Nope, No noise..... I think its because my Central Locking is not fully functional. I disconnected the Vacuum pump in the trunk so I could lock the doors until I decide to have it repaired.... But if this is the case it saves me some headaches. Just have to have the central locking repaired :) Robert Chase Eurowerks wrote: > Do you have a little orange dot in the center of your headlamp switch? If > so, then you already have a factory alarm that disables the ignition. > If the drivers door is not opened with the key, then the car will not start. > Test it by rolling down your windows and locking the car with the key from > the outside. Now just reach in the car and open up the drivers or any other > door. Try to start the car with the key and I will bet that a horn will be > sounding, your lights will be flashing and the car will not start until you > get out and lock and unlock the drivers door with the key. You may even > have to go to the trunk to get the alarm to stop flashing. > > Kirk A. Gilchrist > EURO-WERKS / Mercedes-Benz, BMW, Volvo Service and Repair > 8 South Highland St. / Winchester, KY 40391 / 859-745-0125 > eurowerks-at-qx.net / 888-522-0271 toll free ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 09:26:52 -0700 From: "Paul Schwartz" Subject: Re: move up from 240D? > translation works in both languages because the color is really ugly. > He is probably going to have it painted another color soon. For those near Santa Cruz CA, I know where you can get a great deal on a paint job! If there is interest I talk about it. Paul ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 12:02:37 -0500 From: "Black, Waylon" Subject: A/C Compressor Madness Absolutely! I have done way too many, lately. 3 19mm on the back side and a 10 mm adjusting nut from the top. Additional information. The top inner bolt uses a spring washer and no spacer - bolts right to the compressor The bottom bolt uses the thickest spacer between the mount and compressor. The bolt that has the mounting for the hoses uses the slimmer spacer due to the adjuster. I'll be doing another, this weekend. (A unit from a Chevette bolts on with no changes, pulley, etc is the same - most Chevettes die early, compressors are barely used) Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2003 23:18:25 -0400 From: Robert Chase Subject: A/C Compressor Madness Does anybody know how many bolts the GM produced w-126 A/C compressor has to loosen in order to get the belt on? I have my power steering pump already loosened and it has 4 or 3 bolts (I forget) that hold it on and one "adjustment" bolt. For some reason I cant seem to find the adjustment bolt on the A/C compressor. Of course being low down in the bowels of an oily enging does not help especially in the dark. I am packing up the tools now and will probably try again in the morning. Robert Chase ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 12:21:04 CDT From: acordova-at-texas.net Subject: Re: Diesel Anti Theft? Kirk needs more coffee today. The orange dot on the HEADLIGHT SWITCH is the indicator for the rear fog lights. While the bulb holders are not there in US models, the light switch still has the dot. We just can never get it lit. The red dot on the Master KEY indicates factory alarm system. This is the square-headed key. I'm not sure if the oval-headed valet key includes the red dot. Alec > Nope, > > No noise..... I think its because my Central Locking is not fully > functional. I disconnected the Vacuum pump in the trunk so I could lock > the doors until I decide to have it repaired.... > > But if this is the case it saves me some headaches. Just have to have > the central locking repaired :) > > Robert Chase > > > Eurowerks wrote: > > > Do you have a little orange dot in the center of your headlamp switch? If > > so, then you already have a factory alarm that disables the ignition. > > If the drivers door is not opened with the key, then the car will not start. > > Test it by rolling down your windows and locking the car with the key from > > the outside. Now just reach in the car and open up the drivers or any other > > door. Try to start the car with the key and I will bet that a horn will be > > sounding, your lights will be flashing and the car will not start until you > > get out and lock and unlock the drivers door with the key. You may even > > have to go to the trunk to get the alarm to stop flashing. > > > > Kirk A. Gilchrist > > EURO-WERKS / Mercedes-Benz, BMW, Volvo Service and Repair > > 8 South Highland St. / Winchester, KY 40391 / 859-745-0125 > > eurowerks-at-qx.net / 888-522-0271 toll free ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 10:33:53 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: Diesel Anti Theft? On Tue, 5 Aug 2003 acordova-at-texas.net wrote: >-->Kirk needs more coffee today. The orange dot on the HEADLIGHT SWITCH is the >-->indicator for the rear fog lights. While the bulb holders are not there in US >-->models, the light switch still has the dot. We just can never get it lit. oh yeah... my '91 300d has the tail fog lamp and it lights up!!!!! very cool. >-->The red dot on the Master KEY indicates factory alarm system. This is the >-->square-headed key. I'm not sure if the oval-headed valet key includes the red >-->dot. are there other clues? is it painted or a plastic thing? will look on the '91 for the system... john >--> >-->Alec >--> >-->> Nope, >-->> >-->> No noise..... I think its because my Central Locking is not fully >-->> functional. I disconnected the Vacuum pump in the trunk so I could lock >-->> the doors until I decide to have it repaired.... >-->> >-->> But if this is the case it saves me some headaches. Just have to have >-->> the central locking repaired :) >-->> >-->> Robert Chase >-->> >-->> >-->> Eurowerks wrote: >-->> >-->> > Do you have a little orange dot in the center of your headlamp switch? If >-->> > so, then you already have a factory alarm that disables the ignition. >-->> > If the drivers door is not opened with the key, then the car will not start. >-->> > Test it by rolling down your windows and locking the car with the key from >-->> > the outside. Now just reach in the car and open up the drivers or any other >-->> > door. Try to start the car with the key and I will bet that a horn will be >-->> > sounding, your lights will be flashing and the car will not start until you >-->> > get out and lock and unlock the drivers door with the key. You may even >-->> > have to go to the trunk to get the alarm to stop flashing. >-->> > >-->> > Kirk A. Gilchrist >-->> > EURO-WERKS / Mercedes-Benz, BMW, Volvo Service and Repair >-->> > 8 South Highland St. / Winchester, KY 40391 / 859-745-0125 >-->> > eurowerks-at-qx.net / 888-522-0271 toll free >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. ...and remember, leaving life without Jesus just isn't recommended... - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** john-at-wagoneers.com via PINE on Linux ** (plain text please!) The revolt is underway, you can not stop it. FEAR THE PENGUIN!!!! May the SOURCE be With GNU - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #1141 **********************************