From: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net (diesel-benz-digest) To: diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Subject: diesel-benz-digest V1 #1148 Reply-To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net Sender: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Errors-To: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Precedence: bulk diesel-benz-digest Thursday, August 7 2003 Volume 01 : Number 1148 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: Synthetic gear oil in MBs Re: headlight switch w/ indicator light Re: "pump diesel, go boom" ;) Re: Synthetic gear oil in MBs Re: rear fog lamp and drilled/slotted rotors Re: Correct brake fluid... Re: rear fog lamp and drilled/slotted rotors Re: headlight switch w/ indicator light Re: Synthetic gear oil in MBs Weird electrical RE: Synthetic gear oil in MBs Re: Synthetic gear oil in MBs Re: Weird electrical Re: Correct brake fluid... Re: Correct brake fluid... Re: Synthetic gear oil in MBs RE: Synthetic gear oil in MBs Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2003 18:10:07 -0400 From: Robert Chase Subject: Re: Synthetic gear oil in MBs I would avoid doing that unless your willing to take the gamble. As you know not using the MB parts can have destructive results. I was shocked to find out that a tail light bulb can hurt your cruise control amp. Also if you will look at your owners manual all fluids are changed once a year preferably in the spring if I remember. I have heard stories (dont know if they are true or not) that some synthetics have cleaning detergents in them to clean the engine as the lubricate. The problem one runs into is the detergents tend to clean off the laquerized oil thats sticking to the engine parts. Sometimes it severely reduces compresssion over time by cleaning away the oil deposits that are blocking the holes in the engine. Robert Chase Black, Waylon wrote: > As part of my used car purchase, I like to replace all the fluids. I like to > replace the diff and trans fluids with synthetic because you never know how > long it has been since it was changed(if ever) and when you will ever change > it again. > > Some older domestics seem to have 'gear clash' with synthetics. Anyone have > problems with using synthetics in the MB gearboxes or diffs? > > Thanks, > Waylon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2003 18:08:15 -0400 From: Robert Chase Subject: Re: headlight switch w/ indicator light MMMMMM, Leather dash and all. The SL and S600's are really impressive cars :) Robert Chase Eurowerks wrote: > John, > > I tried the switch on the car that I drove home last night and it > illuminated. This is the first one in a long time. It was a newer car > though. 1998 SL600! > As for the picture, I will have to bring in the digital camera and I will > take a picture of it for you. The unit is under your passenger floor mat, > under the carpet and under the plastic shield at the front of your feet. > > Kirk A. Gilchrist > EURO-WERKS / Mercedes-Benz, BMW, Volvo Service and Repair > 8 South Highland St. / Winchester, KY 40391 / 859-745-0125 > eurowerks-at-qx.net / 888-522-0271 toll free ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2003 16:59:09 -0500 From: DanG Subject: Re: "pump diesel, go boom" ;) Where in IL is Matt? Dan ChicagoArea > Can't win for losing, I guess. Luckily, she restarted on the 2nd or 3rd try. (Man, I wish I'd hung onto that car.) > > Matt in IL ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 15:13:54 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: Synthetic gear oil in MBs I've always converted all my rigs/cars/vehicles to amsoil synthetics, gears, trannies, axles, engines... never a problem... I've had a local farmer look me up because he had a problem with a feedbox with straight cut gears that kept failing, the mfr told him to find an amsoil dealer because that would solve the problem... john On Thu, 7 Aug 2003, Black, Waylon wrote: >-->As part of my used car purchase, I like to replace all the fluids. I like to >-->replace the diff and trans fluids with synthetic because you never know how >-->long it has been since it was changed(if ever) and when you will ever change >-->it again. >--> >--> Some older domestics seem to have 'gear clash' with synthetics. Anyone have >-->problems with using synthetics in the MB gearboxes or diffs? >--> >-->Thanks, >-->Waylon >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. ...and remember, leaving life without Jesus just isn't recommended... - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** john-at-wagoneers.com via PINE on Linux ** (plain text please!) The revolt is underway, you can not stop it. FEAR THE PENGUIN!!!! May the SOURCE be With GNU - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 15:17:38 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: rear fog lamp and drilled/slotted rotors On Thu, 7 Aug 2003, Kevin Pekarek wrote: >-->On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 03:10:58PM -0700, john wrote: >-->> brakes stop, they can wait. ;) >--> >-->As long as the GPS on your dash doesn't start doing the macarena, you're >-->probably okay :) >-->K which reminds me... I should look at getting the right size tires for the rear so my speedo is on the money... that way I can put the GPS back in the Jeeps were it belongs. ;) john ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. ...and remember, leaving life without Jesus just isn't recommended... - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** john-at-wagoneers.com via PINE on Linux ** (plain text please!) The revolt is underway, you can not stop it. FEAR THE PENGUIN!!!! May the SOURCE be With GNU - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2003 17:59:30 -0400 From: Robert Chase Subject: Re: Correct brake fluid... Dunno, Perhaps rust. Perhaps brake failure under extreme braking conditions (ie several 120mph stops). Dot4 has higher tempature capabilities and higher moisture absorbancy. Then again im not a mechanic just a curious reader. Might not do anything horrible :) Robert Chase Jim Hoffman wrote: >>Drilled and slotted rotors do several things for your car. They >>increase the cooling of the brake system to prevent boiling your >>brake fluid (not a problem on the MB's because they use dot4 rather >>than dot3 brake fluid which boils at a higher tempature). > > > Hmmmmm.... Somewhere I missed this dot4 requirement. I filled my > new system with dot3. What type of catostrophic failer can I look > forward to??? > > Jim/ > > '83 240D ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 15:10:17 -0700 From: Kevin Pekarek Subject: Re: rear fog lamp and drilled/slotted rotors On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 03:10:58PM -0700, john wrote: > brakes stop, they can wait. ;) As long as the GPS on your dash doesn't start doing the macarena, you're probably okay :) K - -- Kevin Pekarek Redwood City, CA (near San Francisco) and Los Osos, CA (near San Luis Obispo) 85 190D (2.2, 5spd) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 15:15:32 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: headlight switch w/ indicator light On Thu, 7 Aug 2003, Eurowerks wrote: >-->John, >--> >-->I tried the switch on the car that I drove home last night and it >-->illuminated. This is the first one in a long time. It was a newer car >-->though. 1998 SL600! cool. the feds must have changed the rules. :) >-->As for the picture, I will have to bring in the digital camera and I will >-->take a picture of it for you. The unit is under your passenger floor mat, >-->under the carpet and under the plastic shield at the front of your feet. passenger? oh. duh. I looked under driver's side. yeah, pictures will help. with big block letters. :) john >--> >-->Kirk A. Gilchrist >-->EURO-WERKS / Mercedes-Benz, BMW, Volvo Service and Repair >-->8 South Highland St. / Winchester, KY 40391 / 859-745-0125 >-->eurowerks-at-qx.net / 888-522-0271 toll free >--> >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. ...and remember, leaving life without Jesus just isn't recommended... - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** john-at-wagoneers.com via PINE on Linux ** (plain text please!) The revolt is underway, you can not stop it. FEAR THE PENGUIN!!!! May the SOURCE be With GNU - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2003 18:38:39 -0400 From: Robert Chase Subject: Re: Synthetic gear oil in MBs Not sure, Actually read it on the list here if I remember correctly. It could be that they are a different resistance and the cruise control amp uses the brake lamp circuit to shut off the cruise. A different voltage from a different resistance fed into a circuit not designed for it could definatly do some damage. I have never looked at the schematic so I havent a clue :) Robert Chase Jerome Kaidor wrote: > Robert Chase wrote: > >>I would avoid doing that unless your willing to take the gamble. As you >>know not using the MB parts can have destructive results. I was shocked >>to find out that a tail light bulb can hurt your cruise control amp. >> > > *** How can it do that? Please enlighten. AFAIK, the cruise control is > connected to the hot side of the brake lights. When the brakes are not > applied, the filament looks like a short to ground. When the brakes are > applied, you get 12V at that node, by virtue of the brake switch pumping > lots and lots of electrons through the filament. > > I can't imagine anything you could stick in the hole that would *hurt* > the cruise control. Maybe it wouldn't work right with the wrong size of > bulb, but I find even that hard to believe. > > - Jerry Kaidor ( jerry-at-tr2.com ) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 17:29:08 -0500 From: "Black, Waylon" Subject: Weird electrical I saw something similar when I was working at Classic BMW, in Dallas. BMWs had/have a panel that lights up if a bulb is out. We would get cars ALL THE TIME indicating a light was out when all the lights were working. The culprit? Bulbs with brass bases mixed/used with bulbs that had silver bases. With the increased electronics - I could see it possible. ;) Waylon - -----Original Message----- From: Jerome Kaidor [mailto:jerry-at-tr2.com] Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2003 5:17 PM To: beostar-at-sdf.lonestar.org Cc: wblack-at-deltacorp.com; diesel-benz-at-digest.net Subject: Re: Synthetic gear oil in MBs Robert Chase wrote: > > I would avoid doing that unless your willing to take the gamble. As you > know not using the MB parts can have destructive results. I was shocked > to find out that a tail light bulb can hurt your cruise control amp. > *** How can it do that? Please enlighten. AFAIK, the cruise control is connected to the hot side of the brake lights. When the brakes are not applied, the filament looks like a short to ground. When the brakes are applied, you get 12V at that node, by virtue of the brake switch pumping lots and lots of electrons through the filament. I can't imagine anything you could stick in the hole that would *hurt* the cruise control. Maybe it wouldn't work right with the wrong size of bulb, but I find even that hard to believe. - Jerry Kaidor ( jerry-at-tr2.com ) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 17:30:10 -0500 From: "Black, Waylon" Subject: RE: Synthetic gear oil in MBs Bing! A light goes off in my head. I acquired a 1984 Volvo diesel with a no -start condition. After charging the I drove it for about a week. Change the oil and filter to Mobil 1, car refused to start after about 100 miles AND managed to consume enough oil that it no longer registered on the stick. The possibilities..... Waylon I have heard stories (dont know if they are true or not) that some synthetics have cleaning detergents in them to clean the engine as the lubricate. The problem one runs into is the detergents tend to clean off the laquerized oil thats sticking to the engine parts. Sometimes it severely reduces compresssion over time by cleaning away the oil deposits that are blocking the holes in the engine. Robert Chase Black, Waylon wrote: > As part of my used car purchase, I like to replace all the fluids. I like to > replace the diff and trans fluids with synthetic because you never know how > long it has been since it was changed(if ever) and when you will ever change > it again. > > Some older domestics seem to have 'gear clash' with synthetics. Anyone have > problems with using synthetics in the MB gearboxes or diffs? > > Thanks, > Waylon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 15:16:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Jerome Kaidor Subject: Re: Synthetic gear oil in MBs Robert Chase wrote: > > I would avoid doing that unless your willing to take the gamble. As you > know not using the MB parts can have destructive results. I was shocked > to find out that a tail light bulb can hurt your cruise control amp. > *** How can it do that? Please enlighten. AFAIK, the cruise control is connected to the hot side of the brake lights. When the brakes are not applied, the filament looks like a short to ground. When the brakes are applied, you get 12V at that node, by virtue of the brake switch pumping lots and lots of electrons through the filament. I can't imagine anything you could stick in the hole that would *hurt* the cruise control. Maybe it wouldn't work right with the wrong size of bulb, but I find even that hard to believe. - Jerry Kaidor ( jerry-at-tr2.com ) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2003 18:46:57 -0400 From: Robert Chase Subject: Re: Weird electrical AKA, Volvo fast blinking turnsignal syndrone. You could check the bulbs all day long and they were fine. Replace them and it still had the problems. The sockets were made out of material that corroded. Replace the sockets and you suddenly had working turn signals. Robert Chase Black, Waylon wrote: > I saw something similar when I was working at Classic BMW, in Dallas. BMWs > had/have a panel that lights up if a bulb is out. We would get cars ALL THE > TIME indicating a light was out when all the lights were working. > > The culprit? > > Bulbs with brass bases mixed/used with bulbs that had silver bases. With the > increased electronics - I could see it possible. ;) > > Waylon > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jerome Kaidor [mailto:jerry-at-tr2.com] > Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2003 5:17 PM > To: beostar-at-sdf.lonestar.org > Cc: wblack-at-deltacorp.com; diesel-benz-at-digest.net > Subject: Re: Synthetic gear oil in MBs > > Robert Chase wrote: > >>I would avoid doing that unless your willing to take the gamble. As you >>know not using the MB parts can have destructive results. I was shocked >>to find out that a tail light bulb can hurt your cruise control amp. >> > > *** How can it do that? Please enlighten. AFAIK, the cruise control is > connected to the hot side of the brake lights. When the brakes are not > applied, the filament looks like a short to ground. When the brakes are > applied, you get 12V at that node, by virtue of the brake switch pumping > lots and lots of electrons through the filament. > > I can't imagine anything you could stick in the hole that would *hurt* > the cruise control. Maybe it wouldn't work right with the wrong size of > bulb, but I find even that hard to believe. > > - Jerry Kaidor ( jerry-at-tr2.com ) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 16:04:41 -0700 From: "Paul Schwartz" Subject: Re: Correct brake fluid... Will MBZs tolerate DOT5 brake fluid? Paul > Dunno, > > Perhaps rust. Perhaps brake failure under extreme braking conditions > (ie several 120mph stops). Dot4 has higher tempature capabilities and > higher moisture absorbancy. > > Then again im not a mechanic just a curious reader. Might not do > anything horrible :) > > Robert Chase > > > Jim Hoffman wrote: > >>Drilled and slotted rotors do several things for your car. They > >>increase the cooling of the brake system to prevent boiling your > >>brake fluid (not a problem on the MB's because they use dot4 rather > >>than dot3 brake fluid which boils at a higher tempature). > > > > > > Hmmmmm.... Somewhere I missed this dot4 requirement. I filled my > > new system with dot3. What type of catostrophic failer can I look > > forward to??? > > > > Jim/ > > > > '83 240D ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2003 19:18:10 -0400 From: Mike Frank Subject: Re: Correct brake fluid... Nothing. Dot3 and Dot 4 are interchangeable and fully compatible. Dot 4 has a higher boiling point, so use it next time. Mike Frank At 04:40 PM 8/7/2003 -0400, Jim Hoffman wrote: >Hmmmmm.... Somewhere I missed this dot4 requirement. I filled my >new system with dot3. What type of catostrophic failer can I look >forward to??? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 16:08:10 -0700 From: "Paul Schwartz" Subject: Re: Synthetic gear oil in MBs I think synthetics oils don't hold particles in suspension as naturally as dino-oil. Consequently, they need heavy loads of detergents to suspend stuff so it can be filtered out by the oil filter. Paul > Bing! A light goes off in my head. > I acquired a 1984 Volvo diesel with a no -start condition. After charging > the I drove it for about a week. Change the oil and filter to Mobil 1, car > refused to start after about 100 miles AND managed to consume enough oil > that it no longer registered on the stick. > The possibilities..... > > Waylon > > I have heard stories (dont know if they are true or not) that some > synthetics have cleaning detergents in them to clean the engine as the > lubricate. The problem one runs into is the detergents tend to clean > off the laquerized oil thats sticking to the engine parts. Sometimes it > severely reduces compresssion over time by cleaning away the oil > deposits that are blocking the holes in the engine. > > Robert Chase ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 16:40:54 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: RE: Synthetic gear oil in MBs synthetics will clean an engine, but it won't strip off years of builtup crude and varnish. it's oil, not a solvent. :) john On Thu, 7 Aug 2003, Black, Waylon wrote: >-->Bing! A light goes off in my head. >-->I acquired a 1984 Volvo diesel with a no -start condition. After charging >-->the I drove it for about a week. Change the oil and filter to Mobil 1, car >-->refused to start after about 100 miles AND managed to consume enough oil >-->that it no longer registered on the stick. >-->The possibilities..... >--> >-->Waylon >--> >-->I have heard stories (dont know if they are true or not) that some >-->synthetics have cleaning detergents in them to clean the engine as the >-->lubricate. The problem one runs into is the detergents tend to clean >-->off the laquerized oil thats sticking to the engine parts. Sometimes it >-->severely reduces compresssion over time by cleaning away the oil >-->deposits that are blocking the holes in the engine. >--> >-->Robert Chase >--> >--> >-->Black, Waylon wrote: >--> >-->> As part of my used car purchase, I like to replace all the fluids. I like >-->to >-->> replace the diff and trans fluids with synthetic because you never know >-->how >-->> long it has been since it was changed(if ever) and when you will ever >-->change >-->> it again. >-->> >-->> Some older domestics seem to have 'gear clash' with synthetics. Anyone >-->have >-->> problems with using synthetics in the MB gearboxes or diffs? >-->> >-->> Thanks, >-->> Waylon >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. ...and remember, leaving life without Jesus just isn't recommended... - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** john-at-wagoneers.com via PINE on Linux ** (plain text please!) The revolt is underway, you can not stop it. FEAR THE PENGUIN!!!! May the SOURCE be With GNU - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #1148 **********************************