From: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net (diesel-benz-digest) To: diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Subject: diesel-benz-digest V1 #1152 Reply-To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net Sender: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Errors-To: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Precedence: bulk diesel-benz-digest Saturday, August 9 2003 Volume 01 : Number 1152 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: Synthetic oil RE: Synthetic oil RE: Synthetic oil Re: Correct brake fluid... Re: Idling a Diesel should not be a problem Re: Idling a Diesel should not be a problem Re: Synthetic gear oil in MBs (long reply to John's long reply) porsche parts Re: Weird electrical Motor Oils RE: Synthetic gear oil in MBs (long reply to John's long reply) RE: Weird electrical Re: Weird electrical RE: Motor Oils RE: Synthetic gear oil in MBs (long reply to John's long reply) RE: Motor Oils Re: topsiders again... RE: topsiders again... Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 11:40:07 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: Synthetic oil On Fri, 8 Aug 2003, Jim Hoffman wrote: >-->Well, I change the oil when it's hot so it flows better. Never >-->seen any foaming. Oh, well... YMMV ;) right on... this was in a 2.8L V6 back in about '91 or so... most of the time I just find sludge and varnish inside an engine that runs valvoline and pennzoil... john ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. ...and remember, leaving life without Jesus just isn't recommended... - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** john-at-wagoneers.com via PINE on Linux ** (plain text please!) The revolt is underway, you can not stop it. FEAR THE PENGUIN!!!! May the SOURCE be With GNU - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2003 16:05:52 -0400 From: Mike Frank Subject: RE: Synthetic oil I recently came across a site where there's a lot of discussion about oil and grease (love that internet!). There are a lot of interesting oil analysis reports on new and used oils, which may be helpful in deciding what to use: http://theoildrop.server101.com/cgi/ultimatebb.cgi My own opinion is that synthetics are worthwhile only because they flow better when cold. That gives you faster starts, and less wear. The rest is just the sales pitch. In a diesel, you can't run synthetics beyond the recommended change interval, because of all the blowby soot. You'd need to install a good centrifugal filter to get more miles on a change. Mike Frank ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 13:34:33 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: RE: Synthetic oil On Fri, 8 Aug 2003, Mike Frank wrote: >-->I recently came across a site where there's a lot of discussion about oil >-->and grease (love that internet!). There are a lot of interesting oil >-->analysis reports on new and used oils, which may be helpful in deciding >-->what to use: >--> >-->http://theoildrop.server101.com/cgi/ultimatebb.cgi >--> >-->My own opinion is that synthetics are worthwhile only because they flow >-->better when cold. That gives you faster starts, and less wear. The rest is >-->just the sales pitch. In a diesel, you can't run synthetics beyond the >-->recommended change interval, because of all the blowby soot. You'd need to >-->install a good centrifugal filter to get more miles on a change. or a remote bypass filter... john >--> >-->Mike Frank >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. ...and remember, leaving life without Jesus just isn't recommended... - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** john-at-wagoneers.com via PINE on Linux ** (plain text please!) The revolt is underway, you can not stop it. FEAR THE PENGUIN!!!! May the SOURCE be With GNU - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2003 18:47:46 -0700 From: Greg Fiorentino Subject: Re: Correct brake fluid... At 06:30 AM 8/8/03 , Paul Brown wrote: >Where on Rusty's site is this "blue stuff" and the vacuum tool? > >> >>I used the blue stuff I bought from rusty, along with the mighty-vac >>tool. The blue stuff is nice for seeing when you have pulled out all the >>old stuff. The vac tool makes it much easier, no pedal-pumping and >>shutting and opening bleeders is required. I recall that I had phoned in the order for some reason. The blue stuff is Ate "Super Blue Racing" DOT 4 + specs. It was only about $8/liter. The Mity-Vac kit was from JC Whitney at a considerably lower cost than I've seen it elsewhere. It came with the brake bleeder attachment in a kit. It is widely available and invaluable for any vacuum system diagnostic. Greg Greg Fiorentino Vancouver USA gfior-at-dslnorthwest.net '84 300D Turbo '79 300TD '85 F-350 6.9 crew cab ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 00:04:41 -0500 From: John Fieber Subject: Re: Idling a Diesel should not be a problem On Thursday, August 7, 2003, at 02:20 PM, john wrote: > I've left many of my Diesels idling for hours without trouble or > overheating. No, overheating would not be the problem. The problem is maintaining an optimal operating temperature. It isn't a major problem, but will cause carbon buildup...nothing that can't be solved with an italian tuneup. - -john ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2003 22:11:05 -0700 From: john Subject: Re: Idling a Diesel should not be a problem funny you should mention italian tuneups... I've been getting on the 300d coming up US2 after work... blew the doors off a dodge cummins TD pickup... rofl... but now the car seems faster then before... it winds up quicker and has more spunk... maybe it wasn't getting enough exercise before. :) john At 12:04 AM 8/9/2003 -0500, John Fieber wrote: >On Thursday, August 7, 2003, at 02:20 PM, john wrote: > >>I've left many of my Diesels idling for hours without trouble or >>overheating. > >No, overheating would not be the problem. The problem is maintaining an >optimal operating temperature. It isn't a major problem, but will cause >carbon buildup...nothing that can't be solved with an italian tuneup. > >-john - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... Jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2003 22:18:43 -0700 From: john Subject: Re: Synthetic gear oil in MBs (long reply to John's long reply) At 10:37 AM 8/8/2003 -0500, acordova-at-texas.net wrote: >Although it only addresses engine oil, not gear oil, I have been using >http://www.whnet.com/4x4/oil.html for reference. It shows a recent copy of >the >list of engine oils specifically approved by MB. MB sheet 229.3 approved oils for passenger cars with gas and diesel engines with extended drain interval indicator FSS up to 20,000 km, or 40,000 km - 25,000 mi, min. 1.0% fuel saving compared to 229.1, Base ACEA A3 B3. Amsoil 10W-30 Synthetic Amsoil Series 3000 5W-30 Heavy Duty Diesel Kendall makes a synthetic??? cool. What does it cost, like $15 a quart? :) Their dino oil isn't cheap... Kendall GT-1 Full Synthetic 5W-40 john - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... Jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2003 22:24:15 -0700 From: john Subject: porsche parts offtopic for sure... wandered over to my neighbor's tonight (mainly seeing if he'd be able to bring his tractor over to move some dirt) and he pointed to a pile of parts... turns out he's got the back cover (engine) for a 911S and the passenger side front fender... both painted in a british racing green. Fender has some rust, but nothing serious, very salvageable... I'm not on any porsche lists... thing these two items would sell on ebay???? not sure what year they are... late '60's, early '70's I'd guess... let me know off list at john-at-wagoneers.com thanx, john - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... Jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 04:58:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Jerome Kaidor Subject: Re: Weird electrical Black, Waylon wrote: > > I saw something similar when I was working at Classic BMW, in Dallas. BMWs > had/have a panel that lights up if a bulb is out. We would get cars ALL THE > TIME indicating a light was out when all the lights were working. > > The culprit? > > Bulbs with brass bases mixed/used with bulbs that had silver bases. With the > increased electronics - I could see it possible. ;) > *** My wife's '84 Jaguar XJ6 has such a system. Each lamp has a sensor in line with its drive. The lines from the sensors all come together at a "fault" lamp on the panel. The "fault" lamp is always on :). Advanced electronics, Lucas barrel connectors - BAD combination.... My MGA and TR2, OTOH are stone reliable - I guess just cause there isn't much in them. Each car has two fuses; one for the horn, the other one for everything else. Well, except for the stuff that's not fused at all. - Jerry Kaidor ( jerry-at-tr2.com ) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2003 10:45:53 -0400 From: Rajeev Wijesinghe Subject: Motor Oils Has anybody ever used ESSO brand oil? What would your thoughts be on that? Onto another note, My 300 SD will be driven in summer only. Should I put synthetic??? The motor in it is a non-turbo from an older 123. Still a 5 cyl diesel, just no turbo. Thanks, Rajeev Wijesinghe 1983 300 SD NON TURBO 1992 Ford Tempo V6 1980 300 D Parting Out Rajeev L. Wijesinghe ======================================= Don't quit when the tide is lowest, For it's just about to turn; Don't Quit over doubts and questions, For there's something you may learn. Don't quit when the night is darkest, For it's just a while 'til dawn; Don't quit when you've run the farthest, For the race is almost won. Don't quit when the hill is steepest, For your goal is almost nigh; Don't quit, for you're not a failure Until you fail to try. - -Jill Wolf ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 10:12:54 -0500 From: "Alec Cordova" Subject: RE: Synthetic gear oil in MBs (long reply to John's long reply) Interesting browsing on that page. I think most of it lists oils available in Europe, so some brands and lines are uncommon here. There must be a dozen different lines from Castrol on the list, none of which I have seen anywhere except the Syntec, like "Castrol GTX3 Professional 15W-40 (Castrol's best mineral oil)". Alec > -----Original Message----- > At 10:37 AM 8/8/2003 -0500, acordova-at-texas.net wrote: > >Although it only addresses engine oil, not gear oil, I have been using > >http://www.whnet.com/4x4/oil.html for reference. It shows a > recent copy of > >the > >list of engine oils specifically approved by MB. > > > > MB sheet 229.3 approved oils > for passenger cars with gas and diesel engines with extended > drain interval > indicator FSS up to 20,000 km, or 40,000 km - 25,000 mi, min. 1.0% fuel > saving compared to 229.1, Base ACEA A3 B3. > Amsoil 10W-30 Synthetic > Amsoil Series 3000 5W-30 Heavy Duty Diesel > > Kendall makes a synthetic??? cool. What does it > cost, like $15 a quart? :) Their dino oil isn't cheap... > > Kendall GT-1 Full Synthetic 5W-40 > > john ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 10:20:40 -0500 From: "Alec Cordova" Subject: RE: Weird electrical > My MGA and TR2, OTOH are stone reliable - I guess just cause there isn't > much in them. Each car has two fuses; one for the horn, the other one > for everything else. Well, except for the stuff that's not fused at all. > > - Jerry Kaidor ( jerry-at-tr2.com ) > Now THAT'S an advanced electrical system. ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2003 11:22:14 -0400 From: Robert Chase Subject: Re: Weird electrical Hmm, Strangely enough I had a Midget that had no problems with the electrical system and even had an original lucas headlamp :) Robert Chase Alec Cordova wrote: >>My MGA and TR2, OTOH are stone reliable - I guess just cause there isn't >>much in them. Each car has two fuses; one for the horn, the other one >>for everything else. Well, except for the stuff that's not fused at all. >> >> - Jerry Kaidor ( jerry-at-tr2.com ) >> > > > Now THAT'S an advanced electrical system. ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 10:26:19 -0500 From: "Alec Cordova" Subject: RE: Motor Oils > Has anybody ever used ESSO brand oil? What would your thoughts > be on that? > > Onto another note, My 300 SD will be driven in summer only. Should I put > synthetic??? The motor in it is a non-turbo from an older 123. > Still a 5 cyl > diesel, just no turbo. > > Thanks, > Rajeev Wijesinghe In the US, they go by the Exxon brand. I have never used them, but I do see a few on the MB approval lists at http://www.whnet.com/4x4/oil.html. Since one of the biggest advantages of synthetic in diesels is easier cold starts, it may be appropriate to stick with a top quality conventional oil. The other benefits of synthetics may not be sufficient for your application to justify the extra expense. Just be sure to use good stuff, preferably one that specifically meets MB specs, and don't attempt extended drain intervals. Alec ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2003 10:17:51 -0700 From: john Subject: RE: Synthetic gear oil in MBs (long reply to John's long reply) I noticed the Aral and Agip brands... very common stations over in Europe. Germany and Italy. john At 10:12 AM 8/9/2003 -0500, Alec Cordova wrote: >Interesting browsing on that page. I think most of it lists oils available >in Europe, so some brands and lines are uncommon here. There must be a dozen >different lines from Castrol on the list, none of which I have seen anywhere >except the Syntec, like "Castrol GTX3 Professional 15W-40 (Castrol's best >mineral oil)". > >Alec > > > -----Original Message----- > > At 10:37 AM 8/8/2003 -0500, acordova-at-texas.net wrote: > > >Although it only addresses engine oil, not gear oil, I have been using > > >http://www.whnet.com/4x4/oil.html for reference. It shows a > > recent copy of > > >the > > >list of engine oils specifically approved by MB. > > > > > > > > MB sheet 229.3 approved oils > > for passenger cars with gas and diesel engines with extended > > drain interval > > indicator FSS up to 20,000 km, or 40,000 km - 25,000 mi, min. 1.0% fuel > > saving compared to 229.1, Base ACEA A3 B3. > > Amsoil 10W-30 Synthetic > > Amsoil Series 3000 5W-30 Heavy Duty Diesel > > > > Kendall makes a synthetic??? cool. What does it > > cost, like $15 a quart? :) Their dino oil isn't cheap... > > > > Kendall GT-1 Full Synthetic 5W-40 > > > > john - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... Jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2003 10:19:23 -0700 From: john Subject: RE: Motor Oils At 10:26 AM 8/9/2003 -0500, Alec Cordova wrote: > > Has anybody ever used ESSO brand oil? What would your thoughts > > be on that? esso was one of the major gas stations in Europe... I have a gas can with esso on it... I think Alec is right, it's part of the Exxon family. Gas coupons for GI's in Europe in the '70's and '80s were redeemed there. john > > > > Onto another note, My 300 SD will be driven in summer only. Should I put > > synthetic??? The motor in it is a non-turbo from an older 123. > > Still a 5 cyl > > diesel, just no turbo. > > > > Thanks, > > Rajeev Wijesinghe > >In the US, they go by the Exxon brand. I have never used them, but I do see a >few on the MB approval lists at http://www.whnet.com/4x4/oil.html. > >Since one of the biggest advantages of synthetic in diesels is easier cold >starts, it may be appropriate to stick with a top quality conventional oil. >The other benefits of synthetics may not be sufficient for your application to >justify the extra expense. Just be sure to use good stuff, preferably one that >specifically meets MB specs, and don't attempt extended drain intervals. > >Alec - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... Jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2003 10:21:46 -0700 From: john Subject: Re: topsiders again... At 10:37 AM 8/8/2003 -0500, acordova-at-texas.net wrote: >I've only recently switched to synthetic (just so happens to be related to my >purchase of a TopSider for changing the oil), and I don't have one of >those new- ok, after unbolting the belly pan to squeeze under this 300d, I'm ready for the topsider... would someone be kind enough to post a link and source and what the best price is again? :) appreciate it... and maybe I should start saving the diesel-benz digests again on my server... ttyl, john - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... Jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 12:34:40 -0500 From: "Alec Cordova" Subject: RE: topsiders again... I think I have seen them on sale for around 30 bucks, but I don't remember where, and I'm not sure if they would be on sale this time of year (still boating season?). I simply happened across a West Marine store near my office, poked my head in, and saw that they had the real Topsider brand unit. I think I paid close to 40 bucks for it, but I got it promptly. > -----Original Message----- > From: john [mailto:john-at-wagoneers.com] > Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2003 12:22 PM > To: acordova-at-texas.net; diesel-benz-at-digest.net > Subject: Re: topsiders again... > > > At 10:37 AM 8/8/2003 -0500, acordova-at-texas.net wrote: > >I've only recently switched to synthetic (just so happens to be > related to my > >purchase of a TopSider for changing the oil), and I don't have one of > >those new- > > ok, after unbolting the belly pan to squeeze under this 300d, > I'm ready for the topsider... would someone be kind enough > to post a link and source and what the best price is again? :) > > appreciate it... and maybe I should start saving the diesel-benz digests > again on my server... > > ttyl, > john > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ > Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... > Jesus, don't leave life without him, please! > ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #1152 **********************************