From: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net (diesel-benz-digest) To: diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Subject: diesel-benz-digest V1 #1153 Reply-To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net Sender: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Errors-To: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Precedence: bulk diesel-benz-digest Sunday, August 10 2003 Volume 01 : Number 1153 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: original price of '91 300d 2.5l? Re: topsiders again... Re: original price of '91 300d 2.5l? Re: topsiders again... Re: topsiders again... murphy's law...low compression RE: Motor Oils RE: Motor Oils RE: Motor Oils Re: murphy's law...low compression RE: Motor Oils Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2003 13:37:17 -0700 From: john Subject: original price of '91 300d 2.5l? anyone know what the original price was on a '91 300d 2.5L? options include heated seats, ASD (locking diff), ABS, sunroof, regular mbtex seats, think everything else is std. Also, how hard is it to get the stereo out? the 201 chassis required the vents to come out, but this looks different, don't want to damage anything, but I think I'm going to pull the benz radio and drop in a CD player, will keep the benz radio for "originality" purposes. :) Saw one on ebay for $49. The cassettes I have don't like my stereo... of course they haven't been played for a long, long time and are stiff... later, john - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... Jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2003 16:32:20 -0500 From: Jon Filina Subject: Re: topsiders again... John winced in pain after crawling out from under his 300D and mentioned: > ok, after unbolting the belly pan to squeeze under this 300d, > I'm ready for the topsider... would someone be kind enough > to post a link and source and what the best price is again? :) Like Alec, I got my Topsider at West Marine. The closest one to you is in Everett, which doesn't appear to be far far you (in Texas miles...). I paid almost $50 for mine a few years ago and their website (www.westmarine.com) is showing the same price. They may be running a sale at the local store, but you'd have to check. I have seen these units for cheaper on the internet. Google for "bigboy topsider" and see what you come up with. The Topsider appears to be the best of these manual extractors. All the others I've seen have lower capacities. The Topsider has a 2 1/2 capacity, but 8 quarts appears to be the max. Any more than that and you'll be sucking oil past the seals. I have one pair of old pants that I wear because of the oil stains... My 240D, at 6-7 quarts, worked fine. This 300SD is 8 qts. and I have to make sure I drain ALL of the oil out of the can each time before I do my next oil change. If you want to get a faster drain time, or don't feel liking pumping the contraption, look for an electric one. They are more expensive, and Bigboy doesn't make one, but are not as cool to watch in operation as the Topsider. The simplicity of the Topsider design is certain to make you "Oooh-Ahhhh" as you watch the oil move from the dipstick into the can. However, with an electric pump, you'll still say "Cool" as the last of the oil leaves the crankcase and you hear the loud gurgling sound. It makes you want to run out to the local Dairy Queen and order a large chocolate malt... Either way is preferable to crawling under the beast and removing the drain plug! Jon '84 300SD "Bruno" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2003 15:08:41 -0700 From: john Subject: Re: original price of '91 300d 2.5l? $41,350 says an old Kelley Blue Book from Dec '96 I forgot I had... no info on accessories though... surfing ebay on and off looking for a brochure from '91, if y'all see one on ebay shoot me the link. :) john At 02:29 PM 8/9/2003 -0700, Rick Orr wrote: >Hi John, >I don't have the price for a '91 but my "Standard Catalog of Imported Cars >- 1946-1990" lists the 1990 300D 2.5 -at- $39700 POE. >HTH. > later, > rick - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... Jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2003 15:16:49 -0700 From: john Subject: Re: topsiders again... talked to another mechanic friend and he reminded me of the reason the drain plug is at the bottom... then he told me about another contraption that replaces the drain plug, a remote control release to drain via a hose to a receptacle, this gets all the crud out of the pan at the bottom and keeps me from squeezing under the car... will look for one of these... much easier to deal with then the topsider and gets the nasty stuff out of my pan. john At 04:32 PM 8/9/2003 -0500, Jon Filina wrote: >John winced in pain after crawling out from under his 300D and mentioned: > >>ok, after unbolting the belly pan to squeeze under this 300d, >>I'm ready for the topsider... would someone be kind enough >>to post a link and source and what the best price is again? :) > >Like Alec, I got my Topsider at West Marine. The closest one to you is in >Everett, which doesn't appear to be far far you (in Texas miles...). > >I paid almost $50 for mine a few years ago and their website >(www.westmarine.com) is showing the same price. They may be running a >sale at the local store, but you'd have to check. > >I have seen these units for cheaper on the internet. Google for "bigboy >topsider" and see what you come up with. > >The Topsider appears to be the best of these manual extractors. All the >others I've seen have lower capacities. The Topsider has a 2 1/2 >capacity, but 8 quarts appears to be the max. Any more than that and >you'll be sucking oil past the seals. I have one pair of old pants that I >wear because of the oil stains... My 240D, at 6-7 quarts, worked >fine. This 300SD is 8 qts. and I have to make sure I drain ALL of the oil >out of the can each time before I do my next oil change. > >If you want to get a faster drain time, or don't feel liking pumping the >contraption, look for an electric one. They are more expensive, and >Bigboy doesn't make one, but are not as cool to watch in operation as the >Topsider. The simplicity of the Topsider design is certain to make you >"Oooh-Ahhhh" as you watch the oil move from the dipstick into the >can. However, with an electric pump, you'll still say "Cool" as the last >of the oil leaves the crankcase and you hear the loud gurgling sound. It >makes you want to run out to the local Dairy Queen and order a large >chocolate malt... > >Either way is preferable to crawling under the beast and removing the >drain plug! > >Jon >'84 300SD "Bruno" - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... Jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2003 18:30:19 -0400 From: Robert Chase Subject: Re: topsiders again... Might prove to be exciting if it malfunctioned though :) Robert Chase john wrote: > talked to another mechanic friend and he reminded me of > the reason the drain plug is at the bottom... then he told > me about another contraption that replaces the drain plug, > a remote control release to drain via a hose to a receptacle, > this gets all the crud out of the pan at the bottom and keeps > me from squeezing under the car... > > will look for one of these... much easier to deal with then > the topsider and gets the nasty stuff out of my pan. > > john > > At 04:32 PM 8/9/2003 -0500, Jon Filina wrote: > >> John winced in pain after crawling out from under his 300D and mentioned: >> >>> ok, after unbolting the belly pan to squeeze under this 300d, >>> I'm ready for the topsider... would someone be kind enough >>> to post a link and source and what the best price is again? :) >> >> >> Like Alec, I got my Topsider at West Marine. The closest one to you >> is in Everett, which doesn't appear to be far far you (in Texas >> miles...). >> >> I paid almost $50 for mine a few years ago and their website >> (www.westmarine.com) is showing the same price. They may be running a >> sale at the local store, but you'd have to check. >> >> I have seen these units for cheaper on the internet. Google for >> "bigboy topsider" and see what you come up with. >> >> The Topsider appears to be the best of these manual extractors. All >> the others I've seen have lower capacities. The Topsider has a 2 1/2 >> capacity, but 8 quarts appears to be the max. Any more than that and >> you'll be sucking oil past the seals. I have one pair of old pants >> that I wear because of the oil stains... My 240D, at 6-7 quarts, >> worked fine. This 300SD is 8 qts. and I have to make sure I drain ALL >> of the oil out of the can each time before I do my next oil change. >> >> If you want to get a faster drain time, or don't feel liking pumping >> the contraption, look for an electric one. They are more expensive, >> and Bigboy doesn't make one, but are not as cool to watch in operation >> as the Topsider. The simplicity of the Topsider design is certain to >> make you "Oooh-Ahhhh" as you watch the oil move from the dipstick into >> the can. However, with an electric pump, you'll still say "Cool" as >> the last of the oil leaves the crankcase and you hear the loud >> gurgling sound. It makes you want to run out to the local Dairy Queen >> and order a large chocolate malt... >> >> Either way is preferable to crawling under the beast and removing the >> drain plug! >> >> Jon >> '84 300SD "Bruno" > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ > Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... > Jesus, don't leave life without him, please! > ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2003 19:48:43 -0400 From: "Steve Morelen" Subject: murphy's law...low compression Hello All- I wrote a week or so ago about getting ready to do a compression check on my '84 300D. Well, I boldly went and did it today. Four cylinders measured in the mid to upper 400 psi range and the rear-most cylinder only gets up to about 340 psi. How does one diagnose whether it is a valve/cylinder head problem or a piston ring problem? TIA- Steve Morelen _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2003 20:26:27 -0400 From: Mike Frank Subject: RE: Motor Oils John: I never realized that you were a young guy. Esso was Eastern Standard Oil...what was left of the Standard Oil Trust after the regulators took it apart. They sold under that brand in the Eastern US for most of the last century, and worldwide under a variety of brands. Sometime in the seventies, they tied all of their US holdings under the Exxon label. Esso continues to be used in some overseas venues. Rumor was that after they acquired Humble Refining, they wanted to keep the logo, which was a busy bee. The Esso bee didn't quite have the marketing clout they were looking for.... Anyway, to answer the original question, Esso/Exxon is the largest oil company in the world. I think you can rely on their products. Mike Frank At 10:19 AM 8/9/2003 -0700, john wrote: >At 10:26 AM 8/9/2003 -0500, Alec Cordova wrote: >> > Has anybody ever used ESSO brand oil? What would your thoughts >> > be on that? > >esso was one of the major gas stations in Europe... I have a >gas can with esso on it... > >I think Alec is right, it's part of the Exxon family. Gas coupons >for GI's in Europe in the '70's and '80s were redeemed there. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2003 17:45:06 -0700 From: "Derickam AA" Subject: RE: Motor Oils Yep I remember the Esso signs being replaced by exxon. Hope that does not date me too much.... ;) Derick Amburgey Automated Control Specialist Port Of Seattle/SeaTac Airport/Satellite Train System Amateur Radio Callsign: K7DXX List "Mom" of Diesel-Benz reflector 1985 Mercedes 190D "Tuti" 280,000 Mi (36 mpg) 1984 Mercedes 190D "Charity" 160,000 Mi (in rehab) 1981 Volkswagen Caddy 1.6L 66,000 Mi (50 mpg) - ----Original Message Follows---- From: Mike Frank To: Subject: RE: Motor Oils Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2003 20:26:27 -0400 John: I never realized that you were a young guy. Esso was Eastern Standard Oil...what was left of the Standard Oil Trust after the regulators took it apart. They sold under that brand in the Eastern US for most of the last century, and worldwide under a variety of brands. Sometime in the seventies, they tied all of their US holdings under the Exxon label. Esso continues to be used in some overseas venues. Rumor was that after they acquired Humble Refining, they wanted to keep the logo, which was a busy bee. The Esso bee didn't quite have the marketing clout they were looking for.... Anyway, to answer the original question, Esso/Exxon is the largest oil company in the world. I think you can rely on their products. Mike Frank At 10:19 AM 8/9/2003 -0700, john wrote: >At 10:26 AM 8/9/2003 -0500, Alec Cordova wrote: >> > Has anybody ever used ESSO brand oil? What would your thoughts >> > be on that? > >esso was one of the major gas stations in Europe... I have a >gas can with esso on it... > >I think Alec is right, it's part of the Exxon family. Gas coupons >for GI's in Europe in the '70's and '80s were redeemed there. _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2003 18:19:51 -0700 From: john Subject: RE: Motor Oils thanx for the compliment, I think. ;) I worked for a Standard Oil station back in Illinois in the early '70s. In the Midwest we had Standard, but I remember seeing Exxon and Esso on the cards, they just weren't in the Chicago area that I recall. Thinking about it I don't recall if we had a Diesel pump... I think it may have been off to the side somewhere. john At 08:26 PM 8/9/2003 -0400, Mike Frank wrote: >John: > > I never realized that you were a young guy. Esso was Eastern > Standard Oil...what was left of the Standard Oil Trust after the > regulators took it apart. They sold under that brand in the Eastern US > for most of the last century, and worldwide under a variety of brands. > Sometime in the seventies, they tied all of their US holdings under the > Exxon label. Esso continues to be used in some overseas venues. Rumor was > that after they acquired Humble Refining, they wanted to keep the logo, > which was a busy bee. The Esso bee didn't quite have the marketing clout > they were looking for.... > > Anyway, to answer the original question, Esso/Exxon is the > largest oil company in the world. I think you can rely on their products. > >Mike Frank > > > >At 10:19 AM 8/9/2003 -0700, john wrote: >>At 10:26 AM 8/9/2003 -0500, Alec Cordova wrote: >>> > Has anybody ever used ESSO brand oil? What would your thoughts >>> > be on that? >> >>esso was one of the major gas stations in Europe... I have a >>gas can with esso on it... >> >>I think Alec is right, it's part of the Exxon family. Gas coupons >>for GI's in Europe in the '70's and '80s were redeemed there. - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... Jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2003 18:20:41 -0700 From: john Subject: Re: murphy's law...low compression typical trick to determine if it's rings or valve seats is to put some oil in the cylinder and see if the compression comes up, if it does, it's the rings. john At 07:48 PM 8/9/2003 -0400, Steve Morelen wrote: >Hello All- > >I wrote a week or so ago about getting ready to do a compression check on >my '84 300D. Well, I boldly went and did it today. Four cylinders >measured in the mid to upper 400 psi range and the rear-most cylinder only >gets up to about 340 psi. How does one diagnose whether it is a >valve/cylinder head problem or a piston ring problem? > >TIA- > >Steve Morelen > >_________________________________________________________________ >Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* >http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... Jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2003 18:25:19 -0700 From: john Subject: RE: Motor Oils I think they're still Esso in Germany, ain't they? :) Ok, let's see how dated some of the members are: 1) where were you when JFK was shot? 2) do you remember the USS Pueblo? 3) where were you when RFK was shot? 4) Did you watch Bullitt at a theatre when it came out? 5) were you driving when they mandated 55 mph? if your earliest recollection is of John Lennon and Regan being shot then you're probably old enough to be one of our kids... :) john At 05:45 PM 8/9/2003 -0700, Derickam AA wrote: >Yep I remember the Esso signs being replaced by exxon. > >Hope that does not date me too much.... ;) > >Derick Amburgey >Automated Control Specialist >Port Of Seattle/SeaTac Airport/Satellite Train System >Amateur Radio Callsign: K7DXX >List "Mom" of Diesel-Benz reflector >1985 Mercedes 190D "Tuti" 280,000 Mi (36 mpg) >1984 Mercedes 190D "Charity" 160,000 Mi (in rehab) >1981 Volkswagen Caddy 1.6L 66,000 Mi (50 mpg) > > > > >----Original Message Follows---- >From: Mike Frank >To: >Subject: RE: Motor Oils >Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2003 20:26:27 -0400 > >John: > > I never realized that you were a young guy. Esso was Eastern > Standard Oil...what was left of the Standard Oil Trust after the > regulators took it apart. They sold under that brand in the Eastern US > for most of the last century, and worldwide under a variety of brands. > Sometime in the seventies, they tied all of their US holdings under the > Exxon label. Esso continues to be used in some overseas venues. Rumor was > that after they acquired Humble Refining, they wanted to keep the logo, > which was a busy bee. The Esso bee didn't quite have the marketing clout > they were looking for.... > > Anyway, to answer the original question, Esso/Exxon is the > largest oil company in the world. I think you can rely on their products. > >Mike Frank > > > >At 10:19 AM 8/9/2003 -0700, john wrote: >>At 10:26 AM 8/9/2003 -0500, Alec Cordova wrote: >>> > Has anybody ever used ESSO brand oil? What would your thoughts >>> > be on that? >> >>esso was one of the major gas stations in Europe... I have a >>gas can with esso on it... >> >>I think Alec is right, it's part of the Exxon family. Gas coupons >>for GI's in Europe in the '70's and '80s were redeemed there. > >_________________________________________________________________ >Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. >http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... Jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #1153 **********************************