From: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net (diesel-benz-digest) To: diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Subject: diesel-benz-digest V1 #1156 Reply-To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net Sender: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Errors-To: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Precedence: bulk diesel-benz-digest Sunday, August 10 2003 Volume 01 : Number 1156 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: tire sizes nice '85 300D on ebay in SC Re: continued: murphy's law...low compression pictures Re: '99 TD... Re: '99 TD... Rusty Re: Rusty ESSO Re: tire sizes Re: '99 TD... 190D A/C problem Re: 190D A/C problem Re: 190D A/C problem Re: 190D A/C problem Re: 190D A/C problem Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2003 23:07:24 -0700 From: john Subject: Re: tire sizes After spending way too much money at a speedo shop in the past with limited results I'll take a wider set of samples using my GPS and freeway milemarkers. Figure I've already saved enough at the speedo shop to pay for the GPS. The math varies based on the data you have on the tires primarily. there are variations in tire diameter too. :) I'll never go back to the speedo shop for calibration again. The GPS works well enough for me, as long as I take enough samples. :) john At 10:21 PM 8/9/2003 -0700, Michael Snow wrote: >With GPS, as with most things, there is no such thing as "right on". Maybe >"very close" or "more accurate than the mechanical speedometer in the >dash" but not the ultimate in accuracy by any means. Here's a link to >some good info on the changing state of GPS accuracy. > > > >I'll leave it up to you to figure out if the accuracy of measured distance >is greater with the GPS or using plain old math on the tire diameter and >gear ratios. My bet is on the math. If you're thinking I'm a little too >deep in the weeds on this one, maybe you're right. I use GPS systems a >lot and often see variances in excess of 10 meters in the identification >of a single point. If I were trying to accurately calibrate my >speedometer, I'd take it to a speedometer shop with a chassis dynamometer. > >Michael Snow >1983 240D > > >john wrote: >>the GPS is right on, it's a newer one and I've tested it >>repeatedly against radar units on the side of the road >>and with the odometer/speedos of known good vehicles. I >>trust it more then my math skills. ;) >>john - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... Jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2003 23:01:35 -0700 From: john Subject: nice '85 300D on ebay in SC looks beautiful in the pictures... http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=6330&item=2426553988 - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... Jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2003 23:09:30 -0700 From: john Subject: Re: continued: murphy's law...low compression I've used an adapter for my air compressor to pressurize a cylinder so I could change the valve springs... I would think that 100lbs should be enough to detect where a leak is coming from. john At 10:29 PM 8/9/2003 -0400, Steve Morelen wrote: >I also saw a leak test procedure in the engine manual....they recommend >that compressed air be applied to the suspect cylinder and then listen in >intake manifold , exhaust manifold, etc. to determine where leak >is. Seems sensible but has anyone out there seen this technique work? My >shop air only goes up to about 130 psi.....I don't know if this is enough >to make the leak observable, given that the cylinder can be pressurized to >340 psi by cranking. I would have - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... Jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2003 23:49:17 -0700 From: john Subject: pictures took a couple pictures of the '87 xj (245k) and 300d (175k) today and when the moon came up behind the house... (was cleaning out the carport... have a bunch of XJ and SJ parts to sell... actually got the benz back in the carport. :) http://wagoneers.com/DieselBenz/91-300d-2.5L/Aug9-2003 john - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... Jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 03:11:13 -0400 From: Robert Chase Subject: Re: '99 TD... Not a horrible deal considering E's of that vintage ranged from 50-70k new :) Robert Chase john wrote: > yikes, over $28k... > > happy to have my '91 300d when I see these kind of prices. :) > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=6335&item=2426505419 > > > john > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ > Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... > Jesus, don't leave life without him, please! > ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 00:13:56 -0700 From: john Subject: Re: '99 TD... understand, but take a look at this one, $350k (and it's not even a Diesel! ;) http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=6315&item=2426716149 http://www.rgstewart.com/static/2/maybach/maybach.html john At 03:11 AM 8/10/2003 -0400, Robert Chase wrote: >Not a horrible deal considering E's of that vintage ranged from 50-70k new :) >Robert Chase >john wrote: >>yikes, over $28k... >>happy to have my '91 300d when I see these kind of prices. :) >>http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=6335&item=2426505419 >> >>john >>------------------------------------------------------------------ >> http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ >> Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... >> Jesus, don't leave life without him, please! >>------------------------------------------------------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... Jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 11:04:43 -0400 From: "Chmielewski" Subject: Rusty Can someone please give me the wesite address for the "Rusty" that is periodically referred to as a good MB parts supplier? I have an 87 300D Turbo that I need to get a radiator for. The outlet nozzle on the outlet tank cracked and about half of it fell off. Is there any way to just buy a tank and replace it? Ted ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 08:09:06 -0700 From: john Subject: Re: Rusty At 11:04 AM 8/10/2003 -0400, Chmielewski wrote: >Can someone please give me the wesite address for the "Rusty" that is >periodically referred to as a good MB parts supplier? I have an 87 300D Turbo >that I need to get a radiator for. The outlet nozzle on the outlet tank >cracked and about half of it fell off. Is there any way to just buy a tank and >replace it? >Ted "Rusty Cullens" Rusty Cullens Wholesale Parts, Inc. 1-800-741-5252 - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... Jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 11:17:47 -0400 From: Rajeev Wijesinghe Subject: ESSO Wow. I have learned some interesting facts about the history of Esso/Exxon through you guys. Here in Canada, just a wee bit north of you, Esso is HUGE!! Their fuel stations are everywhere, and their oil is sold in many department stores. It's actually the only brand of oil I've seen at grocery stores! When I first got my 300 SD, I remember the mechanic I first visited (for an oil change) using Esso oil. All I remember is that my cold starts became NONE (around 30 degrees Fareheit or colder, unless I plugged the block heater in) and that after about 2000 km, the dipstick showed up BLACK. At 3000 km, when I changed the oil, it came out like TAR!!! I stuck with Quaker State from then on, and it gave me much better results. Cheers, Rajeev Wijesinghe Rajeev L. Wijesinghe ======================================= Don't quit when the tide is lowest, For it's just about to turn; Don't Quit over doubts and questions, For there's something you may learn. Don't quit when the night is darkest, For it's just a while 'til dawn; Don't quit when you've run the farthest, For the race is almost won. Don't quit when the hill is steepest, For your goal is almost nigh; Don't quit, for you're not a failure Until you fail to try. - -Jill Wolf ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 12:46:32 -0400 From: Robert Chase Subject: Re: tire sizes Hmmm, What's with the need for really accurate speed readings? You guys have anal retentive cops there or something? Robert Chase john wrote: > After spending way too much money at a speedo shop in the past > with limited results I'll take a wider set of samples using > my GPS and freeway milemarkers. Figure I've already saved enough > at the speedo shop to pay for the GPS. > > The math varies based on the data you have on the tires primarily. > there are variations in tire diameter too. :) > > I'll never go back to the speedo shop for calibration again. The > GPS works well enough for me, as long as I take enough samples. :) > > john > > > At 10:21 PM 8/9/2003 -0700, Michael Snow wrote: > >> With GPS, as with most things, there is no such thing as "right on". >> Maybe "very close" or "more accurate than the mechanical speedometer >> in the dash" but not the ultimate in accuracy by any means. Here's a >> link to some good info on the changing state of GPS accuracy. >> >> >> >> I'll leave it up to you to figure out if the accuracy of measured >> distance is greater with the GPS or using plain old math on the tire >> diameter and gear ratios. My bet is on the math. If you're thinking >> I'm a little too deep in the weeds on this one, maybe you're right. I >> use GPS systems a lot and often see variances in excess of 10 meters >> in the identification of a single point. If I were trying to >> accurately calibrate my speedometer, I'd take it to a speedometer shop >> with a chassis dynamometer. >> >> Michael Snow >> 1983 240D >> >> >> john wrote: >> >>> the GPS is right on, it's a newer one and I've tested it >>> repeatedly against radar units on the side of the road >>> and with the odometer/speedos of known good vehicles. I >>> trust it more then my math skills. ;) >>> john > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ > Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... > Jesus, don't leave life without him, please! > ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 12:54:07 -0400 From: Robert Chase Subject: Re: '99 TD... Hmmm, Whell yes a Maybach. The Rolls Royce/Bentley killer. Actually thats a deal at $350k. They are custom made to order and there is a substantial wait. $350k is not horribly off list for instant gratification. Remember when the CLK 430 cabrio's were such a hot item. The used ones sold more than the new ones because of the instant gratification factor. I wonder if the new CLK cabrio is going to do the same thing. Might be worth it to order 3-4 in a row and drive a great car for free and make money from the resale :) Robert chase john wrote: > understand, but take a look at this one, $350k (and it's not > even a Diesel! ;) > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=6315&item=2426716149 > > http://www.rgstewart.com/static/2/maybach/maybach.html > > john > > At 03:11 AM 8/10/2003 -0400, Robert Chase wrote: > >> Not a horrible deal considering E's of that vintage ranged from 50-70k >> new :) >> Robert Chase >> john wrote: >> >>> yikes, over $28k... >>> happy to have my '91 300d when I see these kind of prices. :) >>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=6335&item=2426505419 >>> >>> john >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ >>> Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... >>> Jesus, don't leave life without him, please! >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ > Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... > Jesus, don't leave life without him, please! > ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 12:59:09 -0400 From: Mike Frank Subject: 190D A/C problem I need help. Actually, I'm thinking of breaking down and dumping this on some unsuspecting shop. My AC control system is totally vacuum free. I can't find the leak. It's 100 pct humidity and intermittently raining, and I'm getting very frustrated. Any and all suggestions welcome. Mike Frank ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 13:16:06 -0400 From: Robert Chase Subject: Re: 190D A/C problem Just be sure to bring it to a Mercedes specialist. The last thing you want is some under informed grease monkey under your dash making the problem worse and subsequentially more expensive when you bring it to the experts. What have you checked so far? Im assuming that you have a vacuum pump. It could be anything within that system. Control Module, Vacuum lines pretty much anything. Do you have anything else that's Vacuum operated thats not working? If your central locking and engine shut down features dont work you might have a leak or a bad Vacuum pump. When my car stopped shutting off by itself I was certain I had a transmission problem too. When the repair was completed my Transmission shifted fine. One of my main Vacuum lines was leaking and the transmission uses Vacuum to determine the harshness of the shift. I certainly wish Mercedes used something else besides Vacuum to operate a lot of the accessories on these cars. When it works it works well and is trouble free. When it does not work its a royal pain. Robert Chase Mike Frank wrote: > I need help. Actually, I'm thinking of breaking down and dumping this on > some unsuspecting shop. My AC control system is totally vacuum free. I > can't find the leak. It's 100 pct humidity and intermittently raining, > and I'm getting very frustrated. Any and all suggestions welcome. > > Mike Frank ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 13:30:31 -0400 From: Mike Frank Subject: Re: 190D A/C problem I don't have a vacuum pump, just a gauge. In a 201, there are two vacuum sources: a pump under the rear seat, and a pump on the motor. Everything other than A/C is working fine: tranny shifts well , doors lock, motor stops fine. Everywhere I check under the hood, I have vacuum. Around the air controls, nothing. All the fuses are OK. I suppose it could be the pushbutton unit, but I have no spare to test. Somewhere in between there has to be a leak, or a valve not releasing, but where? Is there a vacuum diagram for these things? It wouldn't be so hard if I understood where everything was going. If it goes anywhere, it'll probably be a dealer...this system is too complicated for the corner shop. Mike Frank At 01:16 PM 8/10/2003 -0400, you wrote: >Just be sure to bring it to a Mercedes specialist. The last thing you >want is some under informed grease monkey under your dash making the >problem worse and subsequentially more expensive when you bring it to the >experts. > >What have you checked so far? Im assuming that you have a vacuum >pump. It could be anything within that system. Control Module, Vacuum >lines pretty much anything. Do you have anything else that's Vacuum >operated thats not working? If your central locking and engine shut down >features dont work you might have a leak or a bad Vacuum pump. When my >car stopped shutting off by itself I was certain I had a transmission >problem too. When the repair was completed my Transmission shifted >fine. One of my main Vacuum lines was leaking and the transmission uses >Vacuum to determine the harshness of the shift. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 14:51:34 -0400 From: Mike Frank Subject: Re: 190D A/C problem Did I ever say how much I hate vacuum systems? I went through the checkout procedure again, and found that some of the vacuum connections read very low...like one inch of Hg. Turned out that the problem was a leaky EGR valve. That makes sense, right? Why some connections read well, some don't , why the motor turns off despite low pressure? Who knows. At least I know what to fix now. Mike Frank ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 14:54:41 -0400 From: Robert Chase Subject: Re: 190D A/C problem Hmm, I would avoid the dealer at all costs. An Independant Mechanic would be the most cost effective thing if they did work on Mercedes cars. Perhaps buying a new push button module might be in order. They are not cheap but they are not horribly expensive in comparision to a run to a Mercedes Dealership. And if your buttons are wearing it might give you a cosmetic upgrade. You do risk buying something you dont need but you could save some money. A gamble you might or might not want to take. A vacuum pump might be able to diagnose the working order of the control module as well as the lines. Robert Chase Mike Frank wrote: > I don't have a vacuum pump, just a gauge. In a 201, there are two vacuum > sources: a pump under the rear seat, and a pump on the motor. Everything > other than A/C is working fine: tranny shifts well , doors lock, motor > stops fine. Everywhere I check under the hood, I have vacuum. Around the > air controls, nothing. All the fuses are OK. I suppose it could be the > pushbutton unit, but I have no spare to test. Somewhere in between there > has to be a leak, or a valve not releasing, but where? Is there a vacuum > diagram for these things? It wouldn't be so hard if I understood where > everything was going. > > If it goes anywhere, it'll probably be a dealer...this system is too > complicated for the corner shop. > > Mike Frank > > At 01:16 PM 8/10/2003 -0400, you wrote: > >> Just be sure to bring it to a Mercedes specialist. The last thing you >> want is some under informed grease monkey under your dash making the >> problem worse and subsequentially more expensive when you bring it to >> the experts. >> >> What have you checked so far? Im assuming that you have a vacuum >> pump. It could be anything within that system. Control Module, >> Vacuum lines pretty much anything. Do you have anything else that's >> Vacuum operated thats not working? If your central locking and engine >> shut down features dont work you might have a leak or a bad Vacuum >> pump. When my car stopped shutting off by itself I was certain I had >> a transmission problem too. When the repair was completed my >> Transmission shifted fine. One of my main Vacuum lines was leaking >> and the transmission uses Vacuum to determine the harshness of the shift. ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #1156 **********************************