From: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net (diesel-benz-digest) To: diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Subject: diesel-benz-digest V1 #1157 Reply-To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net Sender: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Errors-To: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Precedence: bulk diesel-benz-digest Monday, August 11 2003 Volume 01 : Number 1157 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: RE: Rusty RE: continued: murphy's law...low compression RE: topsiders again... RE: tire sizes Re: 190D A/C problem Re: State of the W123 Union RE: continued: murphy's law...low compression RE: continued: murphy's law...low compression Re: tire sizes Re: '99 TD... Re: tire sizes Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 14:07:27 -0500 From: "Alec Cordova" Subject: RE: Rusty http://www.buymbparts.com or also http://parts.mbz.org If it's the plastic neck that broke, you are not the first. I have heard of people JBWelding an aluminum tube of the proper diameter right in there. I think I even saw a kit for same at http://www.epsparts.com or http://www.benzbin.com. Then again, if that's the original 16 year old radiator, the car would probably appreciate replacement with new. Alec Cordova Taylor, Texas 89 300CE, 160K > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net > [mailto:owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net]On Behalf Of Chmielewski > Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2003 10:05 AM > To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net > Subject: Rusty > > > Can someone please give me the wesite address for the "Rusty" that is > periodically referred to as a good MB parts supplier? I have an > 87 300D Turbo > that I need to get a radiator for. The outlet nozzle on the outlet tank > cracked and about half of it fell off. Is there any way to just > buy a tank and > replace it? > Ted ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 12:14:57 -0700 From: Greg Fiorentino Subject: RE: continued: murphy's law...low compression At 09:10 PM 8/9/03 , Sam Williams wrote: >Steve, > >I think I'd follow Vernon's advice but maybe skip the squirt of oil >in the cylinder part. Diesels often fire any oil in the cylinder >when they compress the air enough. That might be hard on your >compression tester. I think I recall reading a warning NOT to use this test with a diesel. In addition to the possibility of igniting on compression, the compression ratio of a diesel is high enough that the introduction of some incompressible liquid into the cylinder can have disastrous effects on the engine. I would use the compressed air test instead. Greg Greg Fiorentino Vancouver USA gfior-at-dslnorthwest.net '84 300D Turbo '79 300TD '85 F-350 6.9 crew cab ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 14:16:18 -0500 From: "Alec Cordova" Subject: RE: topsiders again... Yes. Draining the oil through the dipstick tube is the method the dealership is supposed to use. I believe the special MB equipment clamps around the top of the tube and doesn't even bother sticking a hose down the tube. The tube itself is designed to reach enough of the nasty stuff. You can also work your TopSider tube like a straw getting the last of a chocolate malt, where you kind of push the tube around a little while throwing a few extra pumps of vacuum at it. Alec > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net > [mailto:owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net]On Behalf Of Greg Fiorentino > Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2003 9:13 PM > To: john; Jon Filina; diesel-benz-at-digest.net > Subject: Re: topsiders again... > > > At 03:16 PM 8/9/03 , john wrote: > >talked to another mechanic friend and he reminded me of > >the reason the drain plug is at the bottom... then he told > >me about another contraption that replaces the drain plug, > >a remote control release to drain via a hose to a receptacle, > >this gets all the crud out of the pan at the bottom and keeps > >me from squeezing under the car... > > > >will look for one of these... much easier to deal with then > >the topsider and gets the nasty stuff out of my pan. > > > I have read that the dipstick tube method gets more dirty oil out > than the > drain plug in a Benz, and is the method recommended by the > factory. Also, > that no method removes ALL the dirty oil. I would be concerned > about using > a gizmo that automatically takes most of the oil out of the engine. > > I love the topsider. > > Greg > > > Greg Fiorentino > Vancouver USA > gfior-at-dslnorthwest.net > > '84 300D Turbo > '79 300TD > '85 F-350 6.9 crew cab ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 14:19:16 -0500 From: "Alec Cordova" Subject: RE: tire sizes http://www.tirerack.com usually has "Specs" pages available from each model of tire showing several manufacturer-supplied measurements, including tire revolutions per mile. There is variance between brands and models. I looked at a few comparisons of 195/60-15 against 195/65-15 and got: tire revolutions per mile for 195/60-15 and 195/65-15 and percent difference against 65's: Michelin Pilot XGT H4 - 854 and 826, 3.4% Michelin Energy MXV4 Plus - 862 and 835, 3.2% Firestone Affinity LH30 - 861 and 833, 3.4% Yokohama Avid H4 - 855 and 829, 3.1% Alec > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net > [mailto:owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net]On Behalf Of Michael Snow > Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2003 9:32 PM > To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net > Subject: Re: tire sizes > > > Consider that all of the mathematical tire calculators use *nominal* > tire sizes, which may vary considerably from the actual manufactured > size of a given tire. Any quality tire manufacturer will provide a > revolutions per mile number, measured at a specific speed, on a specific > wheel size, as a point of comparison. Consider also the error factor in > your GPS unit. > > Michael Snow > 1983 240D > > > john wrote: > > that gave me the info... > > > > interesting, mine seems to be off more then what they > > say, so the tires I have may be undersized a bit... > > > > they say 3.1% difference, or actual 58.2 vs. 60 registered. > > > > will test tomorrow with the GPS. most of the time the GPS > > is at 60mph, the speedo is around 64mph. that's almost twice > > the error this page shows. > > > > also, it shows the tire width is narrower too... unfortunately > > I can't cut and paste the text off of the page. :) > > > > john > > > > > > At 10:01 PM 8/9/2003 -0400, Mike Frank wrote: > > > >> This is what you're looking for: > >> > >> http://www.miata.net/garage/tirecalc.html > >> > >> Mike Frank > >> > >> At 06:50 PM 8/9/2003 -0700, john wrote: > >> > >>> have 195/60 R15 > >>> > >>> sticker on the door calls out 195/65 R15 > >>> > >>> speedo is off, roughly says 64 mph when doing 60. > >>> > >>> anyone have the OD difference? > >>> > >>> thanx, > >>> john > >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------ > >>> http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ > >>> Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... > >>> Jesus, don't leave life without him, please! > >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > > http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ > > Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... > > Jesus, don't leave life without him, please! > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 18:14:58 -0400 From: Mike Frank Subject: Re: 190D A/C problem No need, but thanks for the suggestion. The problem turned out to be one of those little rubber connectors on the EGR control valve. It's amazing how one little thing can have an effect on something half a car away. Also amazing how hard it was to diagnose. Mike Frank At 02:54 PM 8/10/2003 -0400, Robert Chase wrote >Perhaps buying a new push button module might be in order. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 20:19:13 +0100 From: Renaud OLGIATI Subject: Re: State of the W123 Union The car will come out next week from its refit. The following were changed: > pistons, sleeves and rings, the main and con rod bearings, valves and valve > guides, chain and tensionner, and the pump and injectors are out for > cleaning and callibration; > Oh yes, the gearbox is open, new bands are on the way and the B1 and B2 > cylinders looked at. Any advice on the running in needed after such a job ? What speed not to exceed on what gears, for how many kilometres ? Any special change of oil, filter, etc ? TIA, Cheers, Ron, on the banks of the Paraguay River - -- The sad thing about Windows bashing is that it's all true. -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 20:44:34 -0400 From: "Steve Morelen" Subject: RE: continued: murphy's law...low compression I agree with the idea about not putting liquid in a cylinder and then trying to crank the engine with the cylinder closed up. If I did attempt the oil trick, I would have put some in and then cranked the engine a few revs with the injector removed before doing the compression check. Anyhow, I intend to try the compressed air method and see what turns up. I checked/adjusted valves today...didn't get around to measuring compression again. The intake valves were all fine and 4 of the 5 exhaust valves were just a little bit tight, including the bad cylinder. Thanks to everyone for their suggestions. Steve Morelen >From: Greg Fiorentino >To: "Sam Williams" <1sam-at-io.com>, "'Vernon Tuck'" , > "'Steve Morelen'" , > >Subject: RE: continued: murphy's law...low compression >Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 12:14:57 -0700 > >At 09:10 PM 8/9/03 , Sam Williams wrote: >>Steve, >> >>I think I'd follow Vernon's advice but maybe skip the squirt of oil >>in the cylinder part. Diesels often fire any oil in the cylinder >>when they compress the air enough. That might be hard on your >>compression tester. > > >I think I recall reading a warning NOT to use this test with a diesel. In >addition to the possibility of igniting on compression, the compression >ratio of a diesel is high enough that the introduction of some >incompressible liquid into the cylinder can have disastrous effects on the >engine. I would use the compressed air test instead. > >Greg >Greg Fiorentino >Vancouver USA >gfior-at-dslnorthwest.net > >'84 300D Turbo >'79 300TD >'85 F-350 6.9 crew cab _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 18:16:28 -0700 From: "Derickam AA" Subject: RE: continued: murphy's law...low compression Agree with this and used this method, but not for the same reason. I did it to ensure the oil got worked in to give it a chance to seal, not hydro locking possibility. I doubt the amount of oil I used in the test (3 to 6 squirts) would have caused lock anyhow. My pistons have a impression in the top for the pre-chamber plus the amount of oil that seeps into the wall down to the rings I do agree It could have fired though, but since the injectors were off the other cylinders it would not have done any damage to the engine or the meter in my opinion. My meter goes up to 1000 PSI. I could be wrong but I think for giggles I will try it again at a warmer temp when I take the 190 down for servicing here soon. (Yearly inspection, ball joints and heater core replacment). Be wary if you see a 1985 Gray 190d for sale in the next couple weeks. ;) Derick Amburgey Automated Control Specialist Port Of Seattle/SeaTac Airport/Satellite Train System Amateur Radio Callsign: K7DXX List "Mom" of Diesel-Benz reflector 1985 Mercedes 190D "Tuti" 280,000 Mi (36 mpg) 1984 Mercedes 190D "Charity" 160,000 Mi (in rehab) 1981 Volkswagen Caddy 1.6L 66,000 Mi (50 mpg) - ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Steve Morelen" To: diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Subject: RE: continued: murphy's law...low compression Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 20:44:34 -0400 I agree with the idea about not putting liquid in a cylinder and then trying to crank the engine with the cylinder closed up. If I did attempt the oil trick, I would have put some in and then cranked the engine a few revs with the injector removed before doing the compression check. Anyhow, I intend to try the compressed air method and see what turns up. I checked/adjusted valves today...didn't get around to measuring compression again. The intake valves were all fine and 4 of the 5 exhaust valves were just a little bit tight, including the bad cylinder. Thanks to everyone for their suggestions. Steve Morelen >From: Greg Fiorentino >To: "Sam Williams" <1sam-at-io.com>, "'Vernon Tuck'" , > "'Steve Morelen'" , > >Subject: RE: continued: murphy's law...low compression >Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 12:14:57 -0700 > >At 09:10 PM 8/9/03 , Sam Williams wrote: >>Steve, >> >>I think I'd follow Vernon's advice but maybe skip the squirt of oil >>in the cylinder part. Diesels often fire any oil in the cylinder >>when they compress the air enough. That might be hard on your >>compression tester. > > >I think I recall reading a warning NOT to use this test with a diesel. In >addition to the possibility of igniting on compression, the compression >ratio of a diesel is high enough that the introduction of some >incompressible liquid into the cylinder can have disastrous effects on the >engine. I would use the compressed air test instead. > >Greg >Greg Fiorentino >Vancouver USA >gfior-at-dslnorthwest.net > >'84 300D Turbo >'79 300TD >'85 F-350 6.9 crew cab _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 21:17:28 -0400 From: "J.B. Hebert" Subject: Re: tire sizes The standardized tire sizing scheme in use today seems to be a very rough indicator at best, even among tires from the same company. I prefer to go to the web site for the manufacturer and look up their dimensional specs for the tire in question. J.B. At 07:15 PM 8/9/2003 -0700, you wrote: >that gave me the info... > >interesting, mine seems to be off more then what they >say, so the tires I have may be undersized a bit... > >they say 3.1% difference, or actual 58.2 vs. 60 registered. > >will test tomorrow with the GPS. most of the time the GPS >is at 60mph, the speedo is around 64mph. that's almost twice >the error this page shows. > >also, it shows the tire width is narrower too... unfortunately >I can't cut and paste the text off of the page. :) > >john > > >At 10:01 PM 8/9/2003 -0400, Mike Frank wrote: >>This is what you're looking for: >> >>http://www.miata.net/garage/tirecalc.html >> >>Mike Frank >> >>At 06:50 PM 8/9/2003 -0700, john wrote: >>>have 195/60 R15 >>> >>>sticker on the door calls out 195/65 R15 >>> >>>speedo is off, roughly says 64 mph when doing 60. >>> >>>anyone have the OD difference? >>> >>>thanx, >>>john >>>------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ >>> Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... >>> Jesus, don't leave life without him, please! >>>------------------------------------------------------------------- > >------------------------------------------------------------------ > http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ > Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... > Jesus, don't leave life without him, please! >------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 18:20:24 -0700 From: john Subject: Re: '99 TD... At 12:54 PM 8/10/2003 -0400, Robert Chase wrote: >Hmmm, > >Whell yes a Maybach. The Rolls Royce/Bentley killer. so, what's so special about the Maybach that someone would pay that much for one? If it's speed I could make a nice car go that fast for a lot less. :) john - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... Jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 18:25:22 -0700 From: john Subject: Re: tire sizes I ran at 60mph indicated, the GPS registered about 56.5, fluctuating a few tenths. Bumped up to 60mph on the GPS and the speedo held pretty steady at 64 or so, hard to be specific with no lines. ;) Either way that's what about a 6 to 7% error? john At 09:17 PM 8/10/2003 -0400, J.B. Hebert wrote: >The standardized tire sizing scheme in use today seems to be a very rough >indicator at best, even among tires from the same company. I prefer to go >to the web site for the manufacturer and look up their dimensional specs >for the tire in question. > >J.B. > >At 07:15 PM 8/9/2003 -0700, you wrote: >>that gave me the info... >> >>interesting, mine seems to be off more then what they >>say, so the tires I have may be undersized a bit... >> >>they say 3.1% difference, or actual 58.2 vs. 60 registered. >> >>will test tomorrow with the GPS. most of the time the GPS >>is at 60mph, the speedo is around 64mph. that's almost twice >>the error this page shows. >> >>also, it shows the tire width is narrower too... unfortunately >>I can't cut and paste the text off of the page. :) >> >>john >> >> >>At 10:01 PM 8/9/2003 -0400, Mike Frank wrote: >>>This is what you're looking for: >>> >>>http://www.miata.net/garage/tirecalc.html >>> >>>Mike Frank >>> >>>At 06:50 PM 8/9/2003 -0700, john wrote: >>>>have 195/60 R15 >>>> >>>>sticker on the door calls out 195/65 R15 >>>> >>>>speedo is off, roughly says 64 mph when doing 60. >>>> >>>>anyone have the OD difference? >>>> >>>>thanx, >>>>john >>>>------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>> http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ >>>> Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... >>>> Jesus, don't leave life without him, please! >>>>------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >>------------------------------------------------------------------ >> http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ >> Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... >> Jesus, don't leave life without him, please! >>------------------------------------------------------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... 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