From: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net (diesel-benz-digest) To: diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Subject: diesel-benz-digest V1 #1162 Reply-To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net Sender: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Errors-To: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Precedence: bulk diesel-benz-digest Wednesday, August 13 2003 Volume 01 : Number 1162 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: 300d on eBay Re: 300d on eBay Re: State of the W123 Union Re: tire opinions sought... Re: Re[2]: tire opinions sought... Re: State of the W123 Union Slow day... stupid questions Serp Tensioner Re: Slow day... stupid questions Re: Slow day... stupid questions Re: Slow day... stupid questions RE: tire opinions sought... RE: 300d on eBay Re: Slow day... stupid questions Re: Serp Tensioner Re: Mercedes Truck Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 16:18:33 -0400 From: "Jim Hoffman" Subject: 300d on eBay This would have been cool! I see a reference to 300d. Could this have been a diesel?? http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=6315&i tem=2426915968 Jim/ '83 240d ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 19:32:07 -0700 From: john Subject: Re: 300d on eBay At 04:18 PM 8/12/2003 -0400, Jim Hoffman wrote: >This would have been cool! I see a reference to 300d. Could this >have been a diesel?? http://www.wagoneers.com/DieselBenz/mercedes-diesel.html >http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=6315&i >tem=2426915968 > >Jim/ > >'83 240d - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... Jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 19:45:06 -0700 From: john Subject: Re: State of the W123 Union At 05:24 PM 8/12/2003 +0100, Renaud OLGIATI wrote: >Re: running in the "new" engine, is it considered better to do it in repeated >short runs (aka school runs, etc) or go for longer outings ? I would recommend the short runs, but let it heat up all the way. My thought here is it warms up, then cools down. The thermal action expands and contracts the seals and bearing and allows things that need to get worn down, worn down, and seating bearings, etc. The idea is to vary things to you don't wear things into a groove. The biggest danger is to set a new engine at a constant rpm for a long time... the rings settle in and an edge or ridge can form, when you crank up the rpm's a bit things go just a bit further and you crack, chip or snap things on the edge. :) I've been told that after that first couple hundred miles you want to drive it pretty much as normal. If you baby it and then get on it the results may not be to your liking. :) Did the mechanic mention what kind of rings he used? If they're plain old cast iron rings then things will seat pretty quick, if they're moly or some other alloy the break in takes a bit longer. >TIA, you're welcome, hope it all works out perfectly. :) john >Ron, on the banks of the Paraguay River. >-- > Never let your sense of morals > prevent you from doing what is right. > -- Salvor Hardin > > -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... Jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 22:39:46 -0700 From: john Subject: Re: tire opinions sought... man, I've been dealing with Jeeps too long... these tire prices are incredibly cheap... ;) you put tires on a Jeep you're looking at $500 on up... I've got $600 worth of 31x10.5's on my '87... my son paid $750 for USED 35x12.5's for one of his... trying to sell them for $400 now... so, it'll cost me what, $250 to put the right size tires on my benz??? sheesh, that's chump change (almost. ;) john At 04:28 PM 8/12/2003 -0400, Eurowerks wrote: >http://www.tirerack.com/tires/Compare1.jsp?startIndex=0&width=195%2F&ratio=65&diameter=15&search=true&pagelen=20&pagenum=1&pagemark=1&manufacturer=Kumho&x=11&y=7 > >Kirk A. Gilchrist >EURO-WERKS / Mercedes-Benz, BMW, Volvo Service and Repair >8 South Highland St. / Winchester, KY 40391 / 859-745-0125 >eurowerks-at-qx.net / 888-522-0271 toll free - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... Jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 06:26:52 -0700 From: Greg Fiorentino Subject: Re: Re[2]: tire opinions sought... At 12:18 PM 8/11/03 , Kevin Pekarek wrote: >well (as noisy as they were), and it's hard to find an H rated 225/70R15. I'll >probably look at yokohamas or bridgestones of some sort when the 190D needs >new tires, but that's a ways away. > >K I claim little expertise here. I re-shod my 300D turbo with Bridgestone Potenza's at Costco. I was looking for a low cost, reasonable quality tire. Costco tire prices are very good. Their technicians seem to use good techniques mounting and balancing- torque wrenches etc. It certainly is convenient to do the once-a-month shopping there (gotta feed 3 teenage kids!) and then drive off with new tires. Even eating popcorn at Les Schwab's is less convenient. I don't make any effort at stressing these tires to the limit, but they give a smooth ride and handle roads wet with a new rainfall quite well. I have always been satisfied with the better tires offered at Costco. I went in intending to replace 2 worn S- rated tires, but they declined to sell less than H, and I bought 4. They will not sell tires rated inadequate for the car- probably a prevalent business practice these days. Greg Greg Fiorentino gfior-at-dslnorthwest.net ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 06:29:48 -0700 From: Greg Fiorentino Subject: Re: State of the W123 Union At 02:55 PM 8/11/03 , Mike Frank wrote: >No need for a jet engine, just need a bigger Diesel: > >http://www.bath.ac.uk/~ccsshb/12cyl/ > >Mike Frank > > > >At 11:32 AM 8/11/2003 -0400, Robert Chase wrote: >>Hmmm, >> >>I guess these steps might be in order >> >>Get on an open stretch of road >>open sunroof >>deploy jet engine out sunroof >>get up as fast as you can on the engine >>turn on the jet engine >>turn off the diesel engine >>drain oil >>fill oil >>change filter >>burn up brake pads trying to stop :) This group has become truly great over the past few months. (It has always been excellent in terms of the information available) Greg Greg Fiorentino Vancouver USA gfior-at-dslnorthwest.net '84 300D Turbo '79 300TD '85 F-350 6.9 crew cab ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 11:43:18 -0400 From: "J.B. Hebert" Subject: Slow day... stupid questions Kinda slow today, so I thought I'd throw out these (hopefully easy) questions: On an '82 300CD, are the rear windows supposed to go down all the way? All the literature I see, they show both the front and rear windows all the way down. However, on my car, both rear windows go down about half way before stopping. I will concede the possibility that both windows are jamming in the same spot, but it seems a little odd; more like they're hitting an adjustment stop. I guess it's also possible that the manual crank windowed cars could go down all the way, but the motor on the power models takes up space and prevents full motion. It seems a shame to have the disappearing B pillar but not be able to put both windows down all the way for full effect. Second, does the power sunroof open all the way? Mine stops with about 4 or 5" of panel still visible at the back of the opening. Is it supposed to retract all the way? My previous Benzes had manual sunroofs, so I'm not sure how this one is supposed to work. Thanks, J.B. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 11:41:16 -0400 From: Mike Frank Subject: Serp Tensioner Has anyone replaced the serpentine belt tensioner on their 190D? Mine has a bit more play than I would like, I'm planning on doing the tensioner bearing and the shock. The shock is easy enough, but the tensioner bearing seems to be held in with a Godzilla bolt...the largest Allen wrench in my kit is 10mm, this is still larger. Wondering what the size is, and will it come out without damaging the timing cover (maybe leave well enough alone). Mike Frank ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 11:58:28 -0400 From: Andrew_Strasfogel-at-blm.gov Subject: Re: Slow day... stupid questions 1) They rear quarter windows roll all the way down in our 1985 300CD. You will have to remove the rear seat bench, rear seat back, and side panels to expose the mechanism in order to determine what is going on that is stopping them halfway down. 2) Sounds normal, but you could lubricate the track to see if that makes a difference. Use the special MB sunroof grease and consult the manual for the proper procedure, as it's rather involved (I've never done it myself). "J.B. Hebert" cc: Sent by: Subject: Slow day... stupid questions owner-diesel-benz -at-digest.net 08/13/03 11:43 AM Kinda slow today, so I thought I'd throw out these (hopefully easy) questions: On an '82 300CD, are the rear windows supposed to go down all the way? All the literature I see, they show both the front and rear windows all the way down. However, on my car, both rear windows go down about half way before stopping. I will concede the possibility that both windows are jamming in the same spot, but it seems a little odd; more like they're hitting an adjustment stop. I guess it's also possible that the manual crank windowed cars could go down all the way, but the motor on the power models takes up space and prevents full motion. It seems a shame to have the disappearing B pillar but not be able to put both windows down all the way for full effect. Second, does the power sunroof open all the way? Mine stops with about 4 or 5" of panel still visible at the back of the opening. Is it supposed to retract all the way? My previous Benzes had manual sunroofs, so I'm not sure how this one is supposed to work. Thanks, J.B. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 12:06:15 -0400 From: Mike Frank Subject: Re: Slow day... stupid questions All the way. Your motors may be weak, or the channels may need greasing. Same with the sunroof. I sure miss my 300CD. Mike Frank At 11:43 AM 8/13/2003 -0400, J.B. Hebert wrote: >Kinda slow today, so I thought I'd throw out these (hopefully easy) questions: > >On an '82 300CD, are the rear windows supposed to go down all the >way? All the literature I see, they show both the front and rear windows >all the way down. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 09:22:34 -0700 From: Eric Ditwiler Subject: Re: Slow day... stupid questions They only go down part way on my 82 CD--and they go the same distance on both sides so I don't think something is wrong. On Wednesday, August 13, 2003, at 09:06 AM, Mike Frank wrote: > All the way. Your motors may be weak, or the channels may need > greasing. Same with the sunroof. I sure miss my 300CD. > > Mike Frank > > At 11:43 AM 8/13/2003 -0400, J.B. Hebert wrote: >> Kinda slow today, so I thought I'd throw out these (hopefully easy) >> questions: >> >> On an '82 300CD, are the rear windows supposed to go down all the >> way? All the literature I see, they show both the front and rear >> windows all the way down. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 11:25:16 -0500 From: "Alec Cordova" Subject: RE: tire opinions sought... The Kumho's are particularly inexpensive. For a W124, they run about half the (over)price of Michelins. There are several other options in the 75% area (Bridgestone, Dunlop, etc.), but I have been pretty happy with Kumho on my previous W123 and on the current W124 coupe. I do wish I had seen the V rated K11s instead of going with the H rated 716HP4s. Oh well. When these wear out... Alec > > man, I've been dealing with Jeeps too long... these tire prices > are incredibly cheap... ;) > > you put tires on a Jeep you're looking at $500 on up... I've > got $600 worth of 31x10.5's on my '87... my son paid > $750 for USED 35x12.5's for one of his... trying to sell them > for $400 now... > > so, it'll cost me what, $250 to put the right size tires on my > benz??? sheesh, that's chump change (almost. ;) > > john > > > At 04:28 PM 8/12/2003 -0400, Eurowerks wrote: > >http://www.tirerack.com/tires/Compare1.jsp?startIndex=0&width=195 > %2F&ratio=65&diameter=15&search=true&pagelen=20&pagenum=1&pagemark > =1&manufacturer=Kumho&x=11&y=7 > > > >Kirk A. Gilchrist ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 11:32:49 -0500 From: "Alec Cordova" Subject: RE: 300d on eBay Back in the 50's and 60's, lower case letters (a, b, c, d) were used to indicate some kind of progression in a model. Upper case letters had fairly consistent significance, at least until the whole mess around 94 when they switched to "E-Class," "C-Class," etc. The W189 '62 180d was not a diesel, but it was a stunningly beautiful car. See http://home.hiwaay.net/~gbf/mbmodels.html, and scroll down to the W189. Our first Benz, a fintail W110 '63 190c, uses a lower case c, and it was not a coupe. There was also a 190Dc model W110, by the way, which was a diesel. Alec > -----Original Message----- > >This would have been cool! I see a reference to 300d. Could this > >have been a diesel?? > > http://www.wagoneers.com/DieselBenz/mercedes-diesel.html > > >http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=6315&i > >tem=2426915968 > > > >Jim/ > > > >'83 240d ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 09:33:05 -0700 (PDT) From: hue wong Subject: Re: Slow day... stupid questions on my 83 300 they both go about half way down, same distance. and I also get about 3-4 inches on the sunroof as well. odd.... - --- Eric Ditwiler wrote: > They only go down part way on my 82 CD--and they go > the same distance > on both sides so I don't think something is wrong. > > > On Wednesday, August 13, 2003, at 09:06 AM, Mike > Frank wrote: > > > All the way. Your motors may be weak, or the > channels may need > > greasing. Same with the sunroof. I sure miss my > 300CD. > > > > Mike Frank > > > > At 11:43 AM 8/13/2003 -0400, J.B. Hebert wrote: > >> Kinda slow today, so I thought I'd throw out > these (hopefully easy) > >> questions: > >> > >> On an '82 300CD, are the rear windows supposed to > go down all the > >> way? All the literature I see, they show both > the front and rear > >> windows all the way down. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 10:34:35 -0700 From: "DerickAA" Subject: Re: Serp Tensioner Mike, It will come out. I replaced the timing cover in the 85 when chain slap punched a hole in it. I can't remember the size but I used a bolt head out of my junk bucket and swedged two nuts together on the bolt end and used a cresent wrench to take it off. Keep this in mine though; I did not have to be gentle because the cover was already toast. I did have to reef on it pretty good as I recall. Then I cleaned the threads, applied lock tight and put it on the new cover with it installed on the block. If you have alot of slop on the tensioner you should do it. I have seen what will happen to your timing chain cover if it is not addressed. What happens is the vibration the slop creates causes metal fatigue, then cracks form which it turn causes the tensioner to break off the timing cover and cause an awful mess. While you can replace the timing cover without taking off the head it is a MAJOR pain in the glutes. That timing cover is the only part of the 601 engine designed poorly. It must be the one part designed to break or it was designed during an Octoberfest morning after. Or perhaps during on a cocktail napkin..... Good luck. Derick - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Frank" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2003 8:41 AM Subject: Serp Tensioner > Has anyone replaced the serpentine belt tensioner on their 190D? Mine has a > bit more play than I would like, I'm planning on doing the tensioner > bearing and the shock. The shock is easy enough, but the tensioner bearing > seems to be held in with a Godzilla bolt...the largest Allen wrench in my > kit is 10mm, this is still larger. Wondering what the size is, and will it > come out without damaging the timing cover (maybe leave well enough alone). > > Mike Frank ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 13:29:44 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: Mercedes Truck way cool, wonder if it's too late to change my career field... I bet the view is great from this cab, like that wiper setup... :) sure has to be better then cleaning up a M$ worm/virus, been going non-stop all day... not sure which I like less, the arrogance of microsoft or of the hackers... john http://213.84.134.46/ccpa/prototyp/colani.jpg >-->Check out other cool prototypes: >-->http://213.84.134.46/ccpa/prototyp.htm >-->Regards -- >-->Doug Thorndike ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. ...and remember, leaving life without Jesus just isn't recommended... - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** john-at-wagoneers.com via PINE on Linux ** (plain text please!) The revolt is underway, you can not stop it. FEAR THE PENGUIN!!!! 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