From: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net (diesel-benz-digest) To: diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Subject: diesel-benz-digest V1 #1170 Reply-To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net Sender: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Errors-To: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Precedence: bulk diesel-benz-digest Monday, August 18 2003 Volume 01 : Number 1170 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: FS: 1987 300SDL 200K $1500.00 Re: FS: 1987 300SDL 200K $1500.00 electrical gremlin - '82 300SD Re: electrical gremlin - '82 300SD RE: someone is selling my car :) Re: electrical gremlin - '82 300SD RE: someone is selling my car :) Re: electrical gremlin - '82 300SD Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 14:06:16 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: FS: 1987 300SDL 200K $1500.00 more then likely the insurance company set the salvage value and NOT the owner. they did the same silliness when the little wagoneer was totalled... told me I could buy it back for around $1,500... It was tempting, it had 4.10 gears, a 750 lift kit, l/s, etc... but it also had 210k on it the clock... I tried to get them down to $500, no way... so it sold at the auction for $235. I was late to make the bid, and that's when I bought the '99 WJ. so, it's not the owner, it's the insurance company. $1,500 is the price. If it's state farm they may send it out to an insurance auction for folks to bid on. john On Mon, 18 Aug 2003, Jim Hoffman wrote: >-->OK... Maybe I didn't express myself correctly... I'm sure the >-->car is worth $1500. Or more. "A little steep" was a poor choice >-->of words. What I ment was.... If I look in my left hand and it's >-->empty and the car is going to the crusher... or I look in my right >-->hand and I have, say $500, which way did I come out "ahead"?? >-->Certainly someone comes away with a *steal*... but that's the >-->nature of having to "get rid" of something ;) Someone wins and >-->someone loses... If you're in the right place at the right time >-->you win! ;) >--> >-->Jim/ >--> >-->'83 240D >--> >-->> Dunno, >-->> >-->> I think $1500 is a great deal. I overpaid $2400 for my 1982 that >-->> probably had more mold in it than that 1987 does. Although I must say >-->> so far its been worth EVERY PENNY. Considering all the money I have >-->> lost on crappy cars like my old Volvo and my recently departed Honda >-->Accord. >-->> >-->> I hope "going to the crusher" is a figure of speach. It would be >-->quite >-->> a waste to destroy all the good parts on that car. >-->> >-->> Robert Chase >-->> >-->> >-->> Jim Hoffman wrote: >-->> >-->> > Yeah... And $1500 seems a little steep for a car this is going >-->> > to the crusher tomorrow. You'd think that if someone came by with >-->> > a few hundred in cash it would go. Interesting.... >-->> > >-->> > Jim/ >-->> > >-->> > '83 240D >-->> > >-->> > >-->> >>Hmmm, >-->> >> >-->> >>Why salvage a perfectly good car with damaged carpet? Replacement >-->> >>carpet is not that expensive. Insurance companies are out of >-->control >-->> >>these days. >-->> >> >-->> >>Robert Chase >-->> >> >-->> >> >-->> >>john wrote: >-->> >> >-->> >> >-->> >>>any pictures? this is the 126 chassis, right? 6 cyl 3.0L TD? >-->> >>> >-->> >>>mold, I can do mold... ;) >-->> >>> >-->> >>>but I don't need another toy, and getting it from here to there, >-->no, >-->> >>>wait, from there to here... would be a problem. >-->> >>> >-->> >>>john >-->> >>> >-->> >>> >-->> >>>On Mon, 18 Aug 2003, Eurowerks wrote: >-->> >>> >-->> >>> >-->> >>> >-->> >>>>-->How about a 1987 300SDL graphite exterior with a burgundy >-->> > >-->> > interior. Runs, >-->> > >-->> >>>>-->drives. Took flood damage to interior carpet. Power seats all >-->> > >-->> > work, no >-->> > >-->> >>>>-->water in engine or tranny or differential. Straight and fairly >-->> > >-->> > clean car >-->> > >-->> >>>>-->except for lots of mold/mildew on carpet inside. First >-->$1500.00 >-->> > >-->> > goes home >-->> > >-->> >>>>-->with a running, driving SDL. The owner wants an answer today, >-->or >-->> > >-->> > he will >-->> > >-->> >>>>-->let the insurance company have the car for salvage. >-->> >>>>-->It will have water on the title, as he turned it in and wants >-->to >-->> > >-->> > buy it back >-->> > >-->> >>>>-->and sell it. He may let it go if no one steps up. >-->> >>>>--> >-->> >>>>-->Kirk A. Gilchrist >-->> >>>>-->EURO-WERKS / Mercedes-Benz, BMW, Volvo Service and Repair >-->> >>>>-->8 South Highland St. / Winchester, KY 40391 / 859-745-0125 >-->> >>>>-->eurowerks-at-qx.net / 888-522-0271 toll free >-->> >>>>--> >-->> >>> >-->> >>> >-->> >>> ---- >-->> >>> >-->> >>> >-->> > >-->> > >-->------------------------------------------------------------------------ >-->> > - >-->> > >-->> >>> ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** >-->> >>> Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. >-->> >>> Suggestions: email in plain text w/o attachments, and trust >-->Jesus. >-->> >>> >-->> > >-->> > >-->------------------------------------------------------------------------ >-->> > - >-->> > >-->> >>>The revolt is underway, >-->> >>> the penguin is coming... >-->> >>> I can hear the slap of his little feet... >-->> >>> and the squishing of worms and sco lawyers under them... >-->> >>> >-->> > >-->> > >-->------------------------------------------------------------------------ >-->> > - >-->> >--> >-->-- >-->Jim Hoffman >-->Oconomowoc WI >-->'39 Allis Model B >-->'53 Ford Golden Jubilee >-->'?? Bolens Huskie Gardener >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. Suggestions: email in plain text w/o attachments, and trust Jesus. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- The revolt is underway, the penguin is coming... I can hear the slap of his little feet... and the squishing of worms and sco lawyers under them... - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 14:19:35 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: FS: 1987 300SDL 200K $1500.00 On Mon, 18 Aug 2003, Jim Hoffman wrote: >-->You're right... That's got to be it. only thing that makes sense... which doesn't really make sense, but that's the way the world is sometimes. :) if it were the 124 series I'd go for it... my wife and neighbor both like the car, so does my son... I have to drive about 40 miles or so to class tonight... looking forward to it. :) john >--> >-->Jim/ >--> >-->> more then likely the insurance company set the salvage value >-->> and NOT the owner. >-->> >-->> they did the same silliness when the little wagoneer was totalled... >-->> told me I could buy it back for around $1,500... It was tempting, >-->> it had 4.10 gears, a 750 lift kit, l/s, etc... but it also had >-->> 210k on it the clock... I tried to get them down to $500, no way... >-->> >-->> so it sold at the auction for $235. I was late to make the bid, >-->> and that's when I bought the '99 WJ. >-->> >-->> so, it's not the owner, it's the insurance company. $1,500 is >-->> the price. If it's state farm they may send it out to an insurance >-->> auction for folks to bid on. >-->> >-->> john >-->> >--> >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. Suggestions: email in plain text w/o attachments, and trust Jesus. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- The revolt is underway, the penguin is coming... I can hear the slap of his little feet... and the squishing of worms and sco lawyers under them... - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 17:17:05 -0400 From: "Michael Aimino" Subject: electrical gremlin - '82 300SD Hi. Need help with a 1982 300SD with a strange electrical problem. Tried to drive to work this morning, about 12 miles from home, I lost the headlights. Turned around and came home. The brake wear light and the brake light on the dash were lit. I pulled the alternator and the battery and had both tested. The alternator tested OK. The battery was dead - recharged and tested OK. I reinstalled the alternator and battery. I cleaned all the various grounds under the hood and the trunk. I cleaned the positive terminals on the fender. I cleaned the battery cables and battery posts. When I started the car, the brake wear light and the brake light were on, dim and flickering. If I rev the car to about 2.5k, both the brake wear light and the brake light go out. I've cleaned every ground and the positive terminals on the passenger fender. I've checked the fuses. My light bulbs are all OEM Mercedes bulbs. I'm thinking if I drive to work again tomorrow, the battery may go dead again, since nothing I've done has seemed to rectify the problem. Any ideas? Thanks in advance. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 14:34:15 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: electrical gremlin - '82 300SD elaborate a bit on: "The alternator tested OK." who, where and how was it tested? sounds like the internal regulator or one of the diodes is going out. Especially since it kicks in when the RPM goes up... a bad diode in the full wave bridge would work like that ... My guess is it's a diode, but either way, it ain't right and a cheesy tester would probably show it ok... needs to be put under load with an accurate reading. if you went to a mc-parts place they may not have tested it under load... there are testers to test it in the car too... john On Mon, 18 Aug 2003, Michael Aimino wrote: >-->Hi. Need help with a 1982 300SD with a strange electrical problem. >--> >-->Tried to drive to work this morning, about 12 miles from home, I lost >-->the headlights. Turned around and came home. >--> >-->The brake wear light and the brake light on the dash were lit. >--> >-->I pulled the alternator and the battery and had both tested. The >-->alternator tested OK. The battery was dead - recharged and tested OK. >--> >-->I reinstalled the alternator and battery. >--> >-->I cleaned all the various grounds under the hood and the trunk. I >-->cleaned the positive terminals on the fender. I cleaned the battery >-->cables and battery posts. When I started the car, the brake wear >-->light and the brake light were on, dim and flickering. If I rev the >-->car to about 2.5k, both the brake wear light and the brake light go >-->out. >--> >-->I've cleaned every ground and the positive terminals on the passenger >-->fender. I've checked the fuses. My light bulbs are all OEM Mercedes >-->bulbs. >--> >-->I'm thinking if I drive to work again tomorrow, the battery may go >-->dead again, since nothing I've done has seemed to rectify the problem. >--> >-->Any ideas? Thanks in advance. >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. Suggestions: email in plain text w/o attachments, and trust Jesus. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- The revolt is underway, the penguin is coming... I can hear the slap of his little feet... and the squishing of worms and sco lawyers under them... - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 16:57:51 -0500 From: "Richard Arnold" Subject: RE: someone is selling my car :) John wrote: > > I won't go back to a 201, 116, 123 or even a 126. > > I'm hooked on the 124. :) > > john Just wait until the heater blower goes out. I've heard you have to take EVERYTHING apart to even get to it. Yea, I'm just jealous:) Richard Arnold '87 300 SDL '73 Alfa Spider ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 18:09:46 -0400 From: "Michael Aimino" Subject: Re: electrical gremlin - '82 300SD I took it a guy who has over 35 years experience rebuilding alternators, generators, starters, etc. He's pretty well known in these parts as a very thorough repairman. He tested it under load - 13.4 volts. He's also the guy who rebuilt it for me back in March. He said everything checked out OK. On 18 Aug 03, at 14:34, john wrote: > > elaborate a bit on: "The alternator tested OK." > > who, where and how was it tested? > > sounds like the internal regulator or one of the diodes is going out. > Especially since it kicks in when the RPM goes up... a bad diode in > the full wave bridge would work like that ... My guess is it's a > diode, but either way, it ain't right and a cheesy tester would > probably show it ok... needs to be put under load with an accurate > reading. > > if you went to a mc-parts place they may not have tested it under > load... there are testers to test it in the car too... > > john > > > On Mon, 18 Aug 2003, Michael Aimino wrote: > > >-->Hi. Need help with a 1982 300SD with a strange electrical problem. > >--> -->Tried to drive to work this morning, about 12 miles from home, > >I lost -->the headlights. Turned around and came home. --> -->The > >brake wear light and the brake light on the dash were lit. --> -->I > >pulled the alternator and the battery and had both tested. The > >-->alternator tested OK. The battery was dead - recharged and tested > >OK. --> -->I reinstalled the alternator and battery. --> -->I cleaned > >all the various grounds under the hood and the trunk. I -->cleaned > >the positive terminals on the fender. I cleaned the battery -->cables > >and battery posts. When I started the car, the brake wear -->light > >and the brake light were on, dim and flickering. If I rev the -->car > >to about 2.5k, both the brake wear light and the brake light go > >-->out. --> -->I've cleaned every ground and the positive terminals > >on the passenger -->fender. I've checked the fuses. My light bulbs > >are all OEM Mercedes -->bulbs. --> -->I'm thinking if I drive to work > >again tomorrow, the battery may go -->dead again, since nothing I've > >done has seemed to rectify the problem. --> -->Any ideas? Thanks in > >advance. --> > > ---- > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > --- > ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** > Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. > Suggestions: email in plain text w/o attachments, and trust Jesus. > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > --- The revolt is underway, > the penguin is coming... > I can hear the slap of his little feet... > and the squishing of worms and sco lawyers under them... > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > --- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 15:19:41 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: RE: someone is selling my car :) On Mon, 18 Aug 2003, Richard Arnold wrote: >-->John wrote: >-->> I won't go back to a 201, 116, 123 or even a 126. >-->> I'm hooked on the 124. :) >-->> >-->> john >-->Just wait until the heater blower goes out. I've heard you have to take >-->EVERYTHING apart to even get to it. >-->Yea, I'm just jealous:) >-->Richard Arnold >-->'87 300 SDL >-->'73 Alfa Spider That's what mechanics and credit cards (home equity loans, indetentured servitude, etc.) are for... ;) john ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. Suggestions: email in plain text w/o attachments, and trust Jesus. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- The revolt is underway, the penguin is coming... I can hear the slap of his little feet... and the squishing of worms and sco lawyers under them... - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 18:17:30 -0400 From: "Michael Aimino" Subject: Re: electrical gremlin - '82 300SD One additional bit of info - I tested the voltage at both the battery and the positive terms - 12.47v at idle. Now, I watched when it was tested earlier today, and both times it tested at 13.4 volts. Somewhere, somehow, I'm getting a voltage drop. On 18 Aug 03, at 14:34, john wrote: > elaborate a bit on: "The alternator tested OK." > > who, where and how was it tested? > > sounds like the internal regulator or one of the diodes is going out. > Especially since it kicks in when the RPM goes up... a bad diode in > the full wave bridge would work like that ... My guess is it's a > diode, but either way, it ain't right and a cheesy tester would > probably show it ok... needs to be put under load with an accurate > reading. > > if you went to a mc-parts place they may not have tested it under > load... there are testers to test it in the car too... > > john > > > On Mon, 18 Aug 2003, Michael Aimino wrote: > > >-->Hi. Need help with a 1982 300SD with a strange electrical problem. > >--> -->Tried to drive to work this morning, about 12 miles from home, > >I lost -->the headlights. Turned around and came home. --> -->The > >brake wear light and the brake light on the dash were lit. --> -->I > >pulled the alternator and the battery and had both tested. The > >-->alternator tested OK. The battery was dead - recharged and tested > >OK. --> -->I reinstalled the alternator and battery. --> -->I cleaned > >all the various grounds under the hood and the trunk. I -->cleaned > >the positive terminals on the fender. I cleaned the battery -->cables > >and battery posts. When I started the car, the brake wear -->light > >and the brake light were on, dim and flickering. If I rev the -->car > >to about 2.5k, both the brake wear light and the brake light go > >-->out. --> -->I've cleaned every ground and the positive terminals > >on the passenger -->fender. I've checked the fuses. My light bulbs > >are all OEM Mercedes -->bulbs. --> -->I'm thinking if I drive to work > >again tomorrow, the battery may go -->dead again, since nothing I've > >done has seemed to rectify the problem. --> -->Any ideas? Thanks in > >advance. --> > > ---- > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > --- > ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** > Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. > Suggestions: email in plain text w/o attachments, and trust Jesus. > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > --- The revolt is underway, > the penguin is coming... > I can hear the slap of his little feet... > and the squishing of worms and sco lawyers under them... > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > --- ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #1170 **********************************