From: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net (diesel-benz-digest) To: diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Subject: diesel-benz-digest V1 #1171 Reply-To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net Sender: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Errors-To: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Precedence: bulk diesel-benz-digest Monday, August 18 2003 Volume 01 : Number 1171 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: electrical gremlin - '82 300SD Re: electrical gremlin - '82 300SD Re: someone is selling my car :) Re: someone is selling my car :) Re: electrical gremlin - '82 300SD Re: electrical gremlin - '82 300SD Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 15:22:49 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: electrical gremlin - '82 300SD ok. then you got gremlins. ;) I was hoping it was a mcparts situation, been there done that... but it sounds like the guy knows what he's doing... could it be a failing ignition switch? when the one in my 201 started going lights would come on that shouldn't have... john On Mon, 18 Aug 2003, Michael Aimino wrote: >-->I took it a guy who has over 35 years experience rebuilding >-->alternators, generators, starters, etc. He's pretty well known in >-->these parts as a very thorough repairman. He tested it under load - >-->13.4 volts. He's also the guy who rebuilt it for me back in March. He >-->said everything checked out OK. >--> >-->On 18 Aug 03, at 14:34, john wrote: >--> >-->> >-->> elaborate a bit on: "The alternator tested OK." >-->> >-->> who, where and how was it tested? >-->> >-->> sounds like the internal regulator or one of the diodes is going out. >-->> Especially since it kicks in when the RPM goes up... a bad diode in >-->> the full wave bridge would work like that ... My guess is it's a >-->> diode, but either way, it ain't right and a cheesy tester would >-->> probably show it ok... needs to be put under load with an accurate >-->> reading. >-->> >-->> if you went to a mc-parts place they may not have tested it under >-->> load... there are testers to test it in the car too... >-->> >-->> john >-->> >-->> >-->> On Mon, 18 Aug 2003, Michael Aimino wrote: >-->> >-->> >-->Hi. Need help with a 1982 300SD with a strange electrical problem. >-->> >--> -->Tried to drive to work this morning, about 12 miles from home, >-->> >I lost -->the headlights. Turned around and came home. --> -->The >-->> >brake wear light and the brake light on the dash were lit. --> -->I >-->> >pulled the alternator and the battery and had both tested. The >-->> >-->alternator tested OK. The battery was dead - recharged and tested >-->> >OK. --> -->I reinstalled the alternator and battery. --> -->I cleaned >-->> >all the various grounds under the hood and the trunk. I -->cleaned >-->> >the positive terminals on the fender. I cleaned the battery -->cables >-->> >and battery posts. When I started the car, the brake wear -->light >-->> >and the brake light were on, dim and flickering. If I rev the -->car >-->> >to about 2.5k, both the brake wear light and the brake light go >-->> >-->out. --> -->I've cleaned every ground and the positive terminals >-->> >on the passenger -->fender. I've checked the fuses. My light bulbs >-->> >are all OEM Mercedes -->bulbs. --> -->I'm thinking if I drive to work >-->> >again tomorrow, the battery may go -->dead again, since nothing I've >-->> >done has seemed to rectify the problem. --> -->Any ideas? Thanks in >-->> >advance. --> >-->> >-->> ---- >-->> >-->> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >-->> --- >-->> ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** >-->> Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. >-->> Suggestions: email in plain text w/o attachments, and trust Jesus. >-->> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >-->> --- The revolt is underway, >-->> the penguin is coming... >-->> I can hear the slap of his little feet... >-->> and the squishing of worms and sco lawyers under them... >-->> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >-->> --- >-->> >-->> >-->> >--> >--> >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. Suggestions: email in plain text w/o attachments, and trust Jesus. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- The revolt is underway, the penguin is coming... I can hear the slap of his little feet... and the squishing of worms and sco lawyers under them... - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 15:24:15 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: electrical gremlin - '82 300SD pull the battery and check the system with everything turned off for shorts... then test various systems... could be corrosion in a connector, bad fuses, ??? john On Mon, 18 Aug 2003, Michael Aimino wrote: >-->One additional bit of info - I tested the voltage at both the battery >-->and the positive terms - 12.47v at idle. Now, I watched when it was >-->tested earlier today, and both times it tested at 13.4 volts. >--> >-->Somewhere, somehow, I'm getting a voltage drop. >--> >-->On 18 Aug 03, at 14:34, john wrote: >--> >-->> elaborate a bit on: "The alternator tested OK." >-->> >-->> who, where and how was it tested? >-->> >-->> sounds like the internal regulator or one of the diodes is going out. >-->> Especially since it kicks in when the RPM goes up... a bad diode in >-->> the full wave bridge would work like that ... My guess is it's a >-->> diode, but either way, it ain't right and a cheesy tester would >-->> probably show it ok... needs to be put under load with an accurate >-->> reading. >-->> >-->> if you went to a mc-parts place they may not have tested it under >-->> load... there are testers to test it in the car too... >-->> >-->> john >-->> >-->> >-->> On Mon, 18 Aug 2003, Michael Aimino wrote: >-->> >-->> >-->Hi. Need help with a 1982 300SD with a strange electrical problem. >-->> >--> -->Tried to drive to work this morning, about 12 miles from home, >-->> >I lost -->the headlights. Turned around and came home. --> -->The >-->> >brake wear light and the brake light on the dash were lit. --> -->I >-->> >pulled the alternator and the battery and had both tested. The >-->> >-->alternator tested OK. The battery was dead - recharged and tested >-->> >OK. --> -->I reinstalled the alternator and battery. --> -->I cleaned >-->> >all the various grounds under the hood and the trunk. I -->cleaned >-->> >the positive terminals on the fender. I cleaned the battery -->cables >-->> >and battery posts. When I started the car, the brake wear -->light >-->> >and the brake light were on, dim and flickering. If I rev the -->car >-->> >to about 2.5k, both the brake wear light and the brake light go >-->> >-->out. --> -->I've cleaned every ground and the positive terminals >-->> >on the passenger -->fender. I've checked the fuses. My light bulbs >-->> >are all OEM Mercedes -->bulbs. --> -->I'm thinking if I drive to work >-->> >again tomorrow, the battery may go -->dead again, since nothing I've >-->> >done has seemed to rectify the problem. --> -->Any ideas? Thanks in >-->> >advance. --> >-->> >-->> ---- >-->> >-->> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >-->> --- >-->> ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** >-->> Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. >-->> Suggestions: email in plain text w/o attachments, and trust Jesus. >-->> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >-->> --- The revolt is underway, >-->> the penguin is coming... >-->> I can hear the slap of his little feet... >-->> and the squishing of worms and sco lawyers under them... >-->> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >-->> --- >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. Suggestions: email in plain text w/o attachments, and trust Jesus. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- The revolt is underway, the penguin is coming... I can hear the slap of his little feet... and the squishing of worms and sco lawyers under them... - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 18:23:09 -0400 From: Robert Chase Subject: Re: someone is selling my car :) Hmmm, I have always been partial to the big Benz's. The smaller ones are nice but are just not the same. Perhaps Ill check out a 116 sometime :) Robert Chase Richard Arnold wrote: > John wrote: > >>I won't go back to a 201, 116, 123 or even a 126. >> >>I'm hooked on the 124. :) >> >>john > > > Just wait until the heater blower goes out. I've heard you have to take > EVERYTHING apart to even get to it. > > Yea, I'm just jealous:) > > Richard Arnold > '87 300 SDL > '73 Alfa Spider ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 18:25:02 -0400 From: Robert Chase Subject: Re: someone is selling my car :) With any luck you will never see that repair bill but if you do will you post it online for us to snicker at Robert john wrote: > On Mon, 18 Aug 2003, Richard Arnold wrote: > > >>-->John wrote: >>-->> I won't go back to a 201, 116, 123 or even a 126. >>-->> I'm hooked on the 124. :) >>-->> >>-->> john >>-->Just wait until the heater blower goes out. I've heard you have to take >>-->EVERYTHING apart to even get to it. >>-->Yea, I'm just jealous:) >>-->Richard Arnold >>-->'87 300 SDL >>-->'73 Alfa Spider > > > That's what mechanics and credit cards (home equity loans, indetentured > servitude, etc.) are for... ;) > > john > > ---- > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** > Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. > Suggestions: email in plain text w/o attachments, and trust Jesus. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > The revolt is underway, > the penguin is coming... > I can hear the slap of his little feet... > and the squishing of worms and sco lawyers under them... > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 18:31:43 -0400 From: "Michael Aimino" Subject: Re: electrical gremlin - '82 300SD OK, I'll try that. Also, here's one thing I just thought of - the body to engine ground strap - anyone know where that's located on the 300SD? On 18 Aug 03, at 15:24, john wrote: > pull the battery and check the system with everything turned off > for shorts... then test various systems... > > could be corrosion in a connector, bad fuses, ??? > > john > > > On Mon, 18 Aug 2003, Michael Aimino wrote: > > >-->One additional bit of info - I tested the voltage at both the > >battery -->and the positive terms - 12.47v at idle. Now, I watched > >when it was -->tested earlier today, and both times it tested at 13.4 > >volts. --> -->Somewhere, somehow, I'm getting a voltage drop. --> > >-->On 18 Aug 03, at 14:34, john wrote: --> -->> elaborate a bit on: > >"The alternator tested OK." -->> -->> who, where and how was it > >tested? -->> -->> sounds like the internal regulator or one of the > >diodes is going out. -->> Especially since it kicks in when the RPM > >goes up... a bad diode in -->> the full wave bridge would work like > >that ... My guess is it's a -->> diode, but either way, it ain't > >right and a cheesy tester would -->> probably show it ok... needs to > >be put under load with an accurate -->> reading. -->> -->> if you > >went to a mc-parts place they may not have tested it under -->> > >load... there are testers to test it in the car too... -->> -->> > >john -->> -->> -->> On Mon, 18 Aug 2003, Michael Aimino wrote: -->> > >-->> >-->Hi. Need help with a 1982 300SD with a strange electrical > >problem. -->> >--> -->Tried to drive to work this morning, about 12 > >miles from home, -->> >I lost -->the headlights. Turned around and > >came home. --> -->The -->> >brake wear light and the brake light on > >the dash were lit. --> -->I -->> >pulled the alternator and the > >battery and had both tested. The -->> >-->alternator tested OK. The > >battery was dead - recharged and tested -->> >OK. --> -->I > >reinstalled the alternator and battery. --> -->I cleaned -->> >all > >the various grounds under the hood and the trunk. I -->cleaned -->> > >>the positive terminals on the fender. I cleaned the battery > >-->cables -->> >and battery posts. When I started the car, the brake > >wear -->light -->> >and the brake light were on, dim and flickering. > >If I rev the -->car -->> >to about 2.5k, both the brake wear light > >and the brake light go -->> >-->out. --> -->I've cleaned every ground > >and the positive terminals -->> >on the passenger -->fender. I've > >checked the fuses. My light bulbs -->> >are all OEM Mercedes > >-->bulbs. --> -->I'm thinking if I drive to work -->> >again > >tomorrow, the battery may go -->dead again, since nothing I've -->> > >>done has seemed to rectify the problem. --> -->Any ideas? Thanks in > >-->> >advance. --> -->> -->> ---- -->> -->> > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >- -->> --- -->> ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** > >http://freegift.net ** -->> Snohomish, Washington USA - where > >Jeeps don't rust, they mold. -->> Suggestions: email in plain text > >w/o attachments, and trust Jesus. -->> > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >- -->> --- The revolt is underway, -->> the penguin is coming... > > -->> I can hear the slap of his little feet... -->> and the > >squishing of worms and sco lawyers under them... -->> > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >- -->> --- --> > > ---- > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > --- > ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** > Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. > Suggestions: email in plain text w/o attachments, and trust Jesus. > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > --- The revolt is underway, > the penguin is coming... > I can hear the slap of his little feet... > and the squishing of worms and sco lawyers under them... > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > --- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 18:35:25 -0400 From: "Michael Aimino" Subject: Re: electrical gremlin - '82 300SD Might be the switch - probably the original. Haven't had any problems with the key, but.... On 18 Aug 03, at 15:22, john wrote: > > ok. then you got gremlins. ;) > > I was hoping it was a mcparts situation, been there done that... > but it sounds like the guy knows what he's doing... > > could it be a failing ignition switch? when the one > in my 201 started going lights would come on that shouldn't have... > > john > > > On Mon, 18 Aug 2003, Michael Aimino wrote: > > >-->I took it a guy who has over 35 years experience rebuilding > >-->alternators, generators, starters, etc. He's pretty well known in > >-->these parts as a very thorough repairman. He tested it under load > >- -->13.4 volts. He's also the guy who rebuilt it for me back in > >March. He -->said everything checked out OK. --> -->On 18 Aug 03, at > >14:34, john wrote: --> -->> -->> elaborate a bit on: "The alternator > >tested OK." -->> -->> who, where and how was it tested? -->> -->> > >sounds like the internal regulator or one of the diodes is going out. > > -->> Especially since it kicks in when the RPM goes up... a bad > >diode in -->> the full wave bridge would work like that ... My guess > >is it's a -->> diode, but either way, it ain't right and a cheesy > >tester would -->> probably show it ok... needs to be put under load > >with an accurate -->> reading. -->> -->> if you went to a mc-parts > >place they may not have tested it under -->> load... there are > >testers to test it in the car too... -->> -->> john -->> -->> -->> On > >Mon, 18 Aug 2003, Michael Aimino wrote: -->> -->> >-->Hi. Need help > >with a 1982 300SD with a strange electrical problem. -->> >--> > >-->Tried to drive to work this morning, about 12 miles from home, > >-->> >I lost -->the headlights. Turned around and came home. --> > >-->The -->> >brake wear light and the brake light on the dash were > >lit. --> -->I -->> >pulled the alternator and the battery and had > >both tested. The -->> >-->alternator tested OK. The battery was dead > >- recharged and tested -->> >OK. --> -->I reinstalled the alternator > >and battery. --> -->I cleaned -->> >all the various grounds under the > >hood and the trunk. I -->cleaned -->> >the positive terminals on the > >fender. I cleaned the battery -->cables -->> >and battery posts. When > >I started the car, the brake wear -->light -->> >and the brake light > >were on, dim and flickering. If I rev the -->car -->> >to about 2.5k, > >both the brake wear light and the brake light go -->> >-->out. --> > >-->I've cleaned every ground and the positive terminals -->> >on the > >passenger -->fender. I've checked the fuses. My light bulbs -->> >are > >all OEM Mercedes -->bulbs. --> -->I'm thinking if I drive to work > >-->> >again tomorrow, the battery may go -->dead again, since nothing > >I've -->> >done has seemed to rectify the problem. --> -->Any ideas? > >Thanks in -->> >advance. --> -->> -->> ---- -->> -->> > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >- -->> --- -->> ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** > >http://freegift.net ** -->> Snohomish, Washington USA - where > >Jeeps don't rust, they mold. -->> Suggestions: email in plain text > >w/o attachments, and trust Jesus. -->> > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >- -->> --- The revolt is underway, -->> the penguin is coming... > > -->> I can hear the slap of his little feet... -->> and the > >squishing of worms and sco lawyers under them... -->> > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >- -->> --- -->> -->> -->> --> --> --> > > ---- > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > --- > ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** > Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. > Suggestions: email in plain text w/o attachments, and trust Jesus. > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > --- The revolt is underway, > the penguin is coming... > I can hear the slap of his little feet... > and the squishing of worms and sco lawyers under them... > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > --- ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #1171 **********************************