From: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net (diesel-benz-digest) To: diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Subject: diesel-benz-digest V1 #1172 Reply-To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net Sender: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Errors-To: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Precedence: bulk diesel-benz-digest Tuesday, August 19 2003 Volume 01 : Number 1172 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: electrical gremlin - '82 300SD electrical gremlin - '82 300SD electrical gremlins Re: electrical gremlin - '82 300SD Re: electrical gremlin - '82 300SD steering wheel gremlins Re: electrical gremlin - '82 300SD Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 15:40:34 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: electrical gremlin - '82 300SD On Mon, 18 Aug 2003, Michael Aimino wrote: >-->OK, I'll try that. >--> >-->Also, here's one thing I just thought of - the body to engine ground >-->strap - anyone know where that's located on the 300SD? on the body and connects to the engine... ;) ok, ok, I believe it's attached near the battery box and over the starter... john >--> >-->On 18 Aug 03, at 15:24, john wrote: >--> >-->> pull the battery and check the system with everything turned off >-->> for shorts... then test various systems... >-->> >-->> could be corrosion in a connector, bad fuses, ??? >-->> >-->> john >-->> >-->> >-->> On Mon, 18 Aug 2003, Michael Aimino wrote: >-->> >-->> >-->One additional bit of info - I tested the voltage at both the >-->> >battery -->and the positive terms - 12.47v at idle. Now, I watched >-->> >when it was -->tested earlier today, and both times it tested at 13.4 >-->> >volts. --> -->Somewhere, somehow, I'm getting a voltage drop. --> >-->> >-->On 18 Aug 03, at 14:34, john wrote: --> -->> elaborate a bit on: >-->> >"The alternator tested OK." -->> -->> who, where and how was it >-->> >tested? -->> -->> sounds like the internal regulator or one of the >-->> >diodes is going out. -->> Especially since it kicks in when the RPM >-->> >goes up... a bad diode in -->> the full wave bridge would work like >-->> >that ... My guess is it's a -->> diode, but either way, it ain't >-->> >right and a cheesy tester would -->> probably show it ok... needs to >-->> >be put under load with an accurate -->> reading. -->> -->> if you >-->> >went to a mc-parts place they may not have tested it under -->> >-->> >load... there are testers to test it in the car too... -->> -->> >-->> >john -->> -->> -->> On Mon, 18 Aug 2003, Michael Aimino wrote: -->> >-->> >-->> >-->Hi. Need help with a 1982 300SD with a strange electrical >-->> >problem. -->> >--> -->Tried to drive to work this morning, about 12 >-->> >miles from home, -->> >I lost -->the headlights. Turned around and >-->> >came home. --> -->The -->> >brake wear light and the brake light on >-->> >the dash were lit. --> -->I -->> >pulled the alternator and the >-->> >battery and had both tested. The -->> >-->alternator tested OK. The >-->> >battery was dead - recharged and tested -->> >OK. --> -->I >-->> >reinstalled the alternator and battery. --> -->I cleaned -->> >all >-->> >the various grounds under the hood and the trunk. I -->cleaned -->> >-->> >>the positive terminals on the fender. I cleaned the battery >-->> >-->cables -->> >and battery posts. When I started the car, the brake >-->> >wear -->light -->> >and the brake light were on, dim and flickering. >-->> >If I rev the -->car -->> >to about 2.5k, both the brake wear light >-->> >and the brake light go -->> >-->out. --> -->I've cleaned every ground >-->> >and the positive terminals -->> >on the passenger -->fender. I've >-->> >checked the fuses. My light bulbs -->> >are all OEM Mercedes >-->> >-->bulbs. --> -->I'm thinking if I drive to work -->> >again >-->> >tomorrow, the battery may go -->dead again, since nothing I've -->> >-->> >>done has seemed to rectify the problem. --> -->Any ideas? Thanks in >-->> >-->> >advance. --> -->> -->> ---- -->> -->> >-->> >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >-->> >- -->> --- -->> ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** >-->> >http://freegift.net ** -->> Snohomish, Washington USA - where >-->> >Jeeps don't rust, they mold. -->> Suggestions: email in plain text >-->> >w/o attachments, and trust Jesus. -->> >-->> >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >-->> >- -->> --- The revolt is underway, -->> the penguin is coming... >-->> > -->> I can hear the slap of his little feet... -->> and the >-->> >squishing of worms and sco lawyers under them... -->> >-->> >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >-->> >- -->> --- --> >-->> >-->> ---- >-->> >-->> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >-->> --- >-->> ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** >-->> Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. >-->> Suggestions: email in plain text w/o attachments, and trust Jesus. >-->> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >-->> --- The revolt is underway, >-->> the penguin is coming... >-->> I can hear the slap of his little feet... >-->> and the squishing of worms and sco lawyers under them... >-->> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >-->> --- >--> >--> >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. Suggestions: email in plain text w/o attachments, and trust Jesus. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- The revolt is underway, the penguin is coming... I can hear the slap of his little feet... and the squishing of worms and sco lawyers under them... - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 17:40:09 -0500 From: "Black, Waylon" Subject: electrical gremlin - '82 300SD Passenger side - from starter bolt to frame(at least on my 83 300 SDs) Waylon Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 18:31:43 -0400 From: "Michael Aimino" Subject: Re: electrical gremlin - '82 300SD OK, I'll try that. Also, here's one thing I just thought of - the body to engine ground strap - anyone know where that's located on the 300SD? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 22:54:00 GMT From: mjmason-at-juno.com Subject: electrical gremlins Just a thought -- have you pulled the fuse panel out into the engine bay and checked for corrosion or areas of high resistance? Usually one or more of the "quadrants" will be impacted, which could mean that multiple systems might be acting up... for instance, are the fuses for the headlights, brakelights and other trouble spots located near each other (thus dependent on the same metal crosspiece on the back of the fuse block)? Your fuses may not be blown, but you also may not be getting full current to those systems. It's been a few years since I ran into this (or owned the car), so sorry if this is a little sketchy... Matt in IL ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 20:33:04 -0400 From: "Michael Aimino" Subject: Re: electrical gremlin - '82 300SD LOL - OK, that narrows it down. :) Here's the state of things: At 3000 rpm, the brake-related dash lights go out and the alternator shows 13.4 volts. I checked the body-to-engine strap for continuity - OK. Also checked for continuity along different paths - all OK. Starting checking for shorts - so far, so good. I'm going to finish checking for shorts. I'm also going to pull the fusebox and see what I can see there. All the fuses were removed, polished, and replaced, so the topside is OK. I'm going to drive it to work tomorrow and see what happens. Worse case, AAA gives me a ride home. And I'm late for dinner. Thank you to everyone for their suggestions. It's good to know you guys are out there. Mike On 18 Aug 03, at 15:40, john wrote: > On Mon, 18 Aug 2003, Michael Aimino wrote: > > >-->OK, I'll try that. > >--> > >-->Also, here's one thing I just thought of - the body to engine > >ground -->strap - anyone know where that's located on the 300SD? > > on the body and connects to the engine... ;) > > ok, ok, I believe it's attached near the battery box and over the > starter... > > john > >--> > >-->On 18 Aug 03, at 15:24, john wrote: > >--> > >-->> pull the battery and check the system with everything turned off > >-->> for shorts... then test various systems... -->> -->> could be > >corrosion in a connector, bad fuses, ??? -->> -->> john -->> -->> > >-->> On Mon, 18 Aug 2003, Michael Aimino wrote: -->> -->> >-->One > >additional bit of info - I tested the voltage at both the -->> > >>battery -->and the positive terms - 12.47v at idle. Now, I watched > >-->> >when it was -->tested earlier today, and both times it tested > >at 13.4 -->> >volts. --> -->Somewhere, somehow, I'm getting a voltage > >drop. --> -->> >-->On 18 Aug 03, at 14:34, john wrote: --> -->> > >elaborate a bit on: -->> >"The alternator tested OK." -->> -->> who, > >where and how was it -->> >tested? -->> -->> sounds like the internal > >regulator or one of the -->> >diodes is going out. -->> Especially > >since it kicks in when the RPM -->> >goes up... a bad diode in -->> > >the full wave bridge would work like -->> >that ... My guess is it's > >a -->> diode, but either way, it ain't -->> >right and a cheesy > >tester would -->> probably show it ok... needs to -->> >be put under > >load with an accurate -->> reading. -->> -->> if you -->> >went to a > >mc-parts place they may not have tested it under -->> -->> >load... > >there are testers to test it in the car too... -->> -->> -->> >john > >-->> -->> -->> On Mon, 18 Aug 2003, Michael Aimino wrote: -->> -->> > >>-->> >-->Hi. Need help with a 1982 300SD with a strange electrical > >-->> >problem. -->> >--> -->Tried to drive to work this morning, > >about 12 -->> >miles from home, -->> >I lost -->the headlights. > >Turned around and -->> >came home. --> -->The -->> >brake wear light > >and the brake light on -->> >the dash were lit. --> -->I -->> >pulled > >the alternator and the -->> >battery and had both tested. The -->> > >>-->alternator tested OK. The -->> >battery was dead - recharged and > >tested -->> >OK. --> -->I -->> >reinstalled the alternator and > >battery. --> -->I cleaned -->> >all -->> >the various grounds under > >the hood and the trunk. I -->cleaned -->> -->> >>the positive > >terminals on the fender. I cleaned the battery -->> >-->cables -->> > >>and battery posts. When I started the car, the brake -->> >wear > >-->light -->> >and the brake light were on, dim and flickering. -->> > >>If I rev the -->car -->> >to about 2.5k, both the brake wear light > >-->> >and the brake light go -->> >-->out. --> -->I've cleaned every > >ground -->> >and the positive terminals -->> >on the passenger > >-->fender. I've -->> >checked the fuses. My light bulbs -->> >are all > >OEM Mercedes -->> >-->bulbs. --> -->I'm thinking if I drive to work > >-->> >again -->> >tomorrow, the battery may go -->dead again, since > >nothing I've -->> -->> >>done has seemed to rectify the problem. --> > >-->Any ideas? Thanks in -->> >-->> >advance. --> -->> -->> ---- > >-->> -->> -->> > >>-------------------------------------------------------------------- > >- -->> >- -->> --- -->> ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** -->> > >>http://freegift.net ** -->> Snohomish, Washington USA - where > >-->> >Jeeps don't rust, they mold. -->> Suggestions: email in plain > >text -->> >w/o attachments, and trust Jesus. -->> -->> > >>-------------------------------------------------------------------- > >- -->> >- -->> --- The revolt is underway, -->> the penguin is > >coming... -->> > -->> I can hear the slap of his little feet... > >-->> and the -->> >squishing of worms and sco lawyers under > >them... -->> -->> > >>-------------------------------------------------------------------- > >- -->> >- -->> --- --> -->> -->> ---- -->> -->> > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >- -->> --- -->> ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** > >http://freegift.net ** -->> Snohomish, Washington USA - where > >Jeeps don't rust, they mold. -->> Suggestions: email in plain text > >w/o attachments, and trust Jesus. -->> > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >- -->> --- The revolt is underway, -->> the penguin is coming... > > -->> I can hear the slap of his little feet... -->> and the > >squishing of worms and sco lawyers under them... -->> > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >- -->> --- --> --> --> > > ---- > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > --- > ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** > Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. > Suggestions: email in plain text w/o attachments, and trust Jesus. > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > --- The revolt is underway, > the penguin is coming... > I can hear the slap of his little feet... > and the squishing of worms and sco lawyers under them... > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > --- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 17:38:53 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: electrical gremlin - '82 300SD On Mon, 18 Aug 2003, Michael Aimino wrote: >-->Thank you to everyone for their suggestions. It's good to know you >-->guys are out there. yeah, we're glad we're out here too... :) john >--> >-->Mike >--> >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. Suggestions: email in plain text w/o attachments, and trust Jesus. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- The revolt is underway, the penguin is coming... I can hear the slap of his little feet... and the squishing of worms and sco lawyers under them... - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 18:51:13 -0700 (PDT) From: hue wong Subject: steering wheel gremlins Ok. So I just picked up a new car and am going through her, fixing all the little pings and sprongs. So the steering wheel in in excellent condition EXCEPT the foam padding /leather shroud around the steering wheel is loose on the top. Like the driver over the last 100k furiously worked thier hands back and forth on the top of the steering wheel and streched it out. On the sides and bottom it's nice and tight. There are no tears and it's in great shape otherwise. I'm thinking of getting a needle and syringe and injecting super glue through the shoud, to tighten it up. Has anyone experienced this before? Are there simpler fixes? Also what do I use to get all the lame stickers out of the windows besides a razor blade scrapping? Thanx all! __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 22:52:00 -0400 From: "Steve Morelen" Subject: Re: electrical gremlin - '82 300SD Mike- I'm suspicious of the alternator since the warning lights are a function of engine speed...even though the alternator has been tested out of vehicle. Those lights should not come on (with engine running) unless the alternator output is low. What has the battery warning lamp and the low fuel lamp in the dash been doing during this period of time? Does the battery lamp light when the key is in the run position with engine not running? The other puzzle is: where the discharge path that kills the battery?...could be the alternator. Steve Morelen >From: "Michael Aimino" >Reply-To: maimino-at-alltel.net >To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net >Subject: Re: electrical gremlin - '82 300SD >Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 20:33:04 -0400 > >LOL - OK, that narrows it down. :) > >Here's the state of things: > >At 3000 rpm, the brake-related dash lights go out and the alternator >shows 13.4 volts. > >I checked the body-to-engine strap for continuity - OK. Also checked >for continuity along different paths - all OK. Starting checking for >shorts - so far, so good. > >I'm going to finish checking for shorts. I'm also going to pull the >fusebox and see what I can see there. All the fuses were removed, >polished, and replaced, so the topside is OK. > >I'm going to drive it to work tomorrow and see what happens. Worse >case, AAA gives me a ride home. And I'm late for dinner. > >Thank you to everyone for their suggestions. It's good to know you >guys are out there. > >Mike > > >On 18 Aug 03, at 15:40, john wrote: > > > On Mon, 18 Aug 2003, Michael Aimino wrote: > > > > >-->OK, I'll try that. > > >--> > > >-->Also, here's one thing I just thought of - the body to engine > > >ground -->strap - anyone know where that's located on the 300SD? > > > > on the body and connects to the engine... ;) > > > > ok, ok, I believe it's attached near the battery box and over the > > starter... > > > > john > > >--> > > >-->On 18 Aug 03, at 15:24, john wrote: > > >--> > > >-->> pull the battery and check the system with everything turned off > > >-->> for shorts... then test various systems... -->> -->> could be > > >corrosion in a connector, bad fuses, ??? -->> -->> john -->> -->> > > >-->> On Mon, 18 Aug 2003, Michael Aimino wrote: -->> -->> >-->One > > >additional bit of info - I tested the voltage at both the -->> > > >>battery -->and the positive terms - 12.47v at idle. Now, I watched > > >-->> >when it was -->tested earlier today, and both times it tested > > >at 13.4 -->> >volts. --> -->Somewhere, somehow, I'm getting a voltage > > >drop. --> -->> >-->On 18 Aug 03, at 14:34, john wrote: --> -->> > > >elaborate a bit on: -->> >"The alternator tested OK." -->> -->> who, > > >where and how was it -->> >tested? -->> -->> sounds like the internal > > >regulator or one of the -->> >diodes is going out. -->> Especially > > >since it kicks in when the RPM -->> >goes up... a bad diode in -->> > > >the full wave bridge would work like -->> >that ... My guess is it's > > >a -->> diode, but either way, it ain't -->> >right and a cheesy > > >tester would -->> probably show it ok... needs to -->> >be put under > > >load with an accurate -->> reading. -->> -->> if you -->> >went to a > > >mc-parts place they may not have tested it under -->> -->> >load... > > >there are testers to test it in the car too... -->> -->> -->> >john > > >-->> -->> -->> On Mon, 18 Aug 2003, Michael Aimino wrote: -->> -->> > > >>-->> >-->Hi. Need help with a 1982 300SD with a strange electrical > > >-->> >problem. -->> >--> -->Tried to drive to work this morning, > > >about 12 -->> >miles from home, -->> >I lost -->the headlights. > > >Turned around and -->> >came home. --> -->The -->> >brake wear light > > >and the brake light on -->> >the dash were lit. --> -->I -->> >pulled > > >the alternator and the -->> >battery and had both tested. The -->> > > >>-->alternator tested OK. The -->> >battery was dead - recharged and > > >tested -->> >OK. --> -->I -->> >reinstalled the alternator and > > >battery. --> -->I cleaned -->> >all -->> >the various grounds under > > >the hood and the trunk. I -->cleaned -->> -->> >>the positive > > >terminals on the fender. I cleaned the battery -->> >-->cables -->> > > >>and battery posts. When I started the car, the brake -->> >wear > > >-->light -->> >and the brake light were on, dim and flickering. -->> > > >>If I rev the -->car -->> >to about 2.5k, both the brake wear light > > >-->> >and the brake light go -->> >-->out. --> -->I've cleaned every > > >ground -->> >and the positive terminals -->> >on the passenger > > >-->fender. I've -->> >checked the fuses. My light bulbs -->> >are all > > >OEM Mercedes -->> >-->bulbs. --> -->I'm thinking if I drive to work > > >-->> >again -->> >tomorrow, the battery may go -->dead again, since > > >nothing I've -->> -->> >>done has seemed to rectify the problem. --> > > >-->Any ideas? Thanks in -->> >-->> >advance. --> -->> -->> ---- > > >-->> -->> -->> > > >>-------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >- -->> >- -->> --- -->> ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** -->> > > >>http://freegift.net ** -->> Snohomish, Washington USA - where > > >-->> >Jeeps don't rust, they mold. -->> Suggestions: email in plain > > >text -->> >w/o attachments, and trust Jesus. -->> -->> > > >>-------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >- -->> >- -->> --- The revolt is underway, -->> the penguin is > > >coming... -->> > -->> I can hear the slap of his little feet... > > >-->> and the -->> >squishing of worms and sco lawyers under > > >them... -->> -->> > > >>-------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >- -->> >- -->> --- --> -->> -->> ---- -->> -->> > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >- -->> --- -->> ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** > > >http://freegift.net ** -->> Snohomish, Washington USA - where > > >Jeeps don't rust, they mold. -->> Suggestions: email in plain text > > >w/o attachments, and trust Jesus. -->> > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >- -->> --- The revolt is underway, -->> the penguin is coming... > > > -->> I can hear the slap of his little feet... -->> and the > > >squishing of worms and sco lawyers under them... -->> > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >- -->> --- --> --> --> > > > > ---- > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > --- > > ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** > > Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. > > Suggestions: email in plain text w/o attachments, and trust Jesus. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > --- The revolt is underway, > > the penguin is coming... > > I can hear the slap of his little feet... > > and the squishing of worms and sco lawyers under them... > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > --- _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8: Get 6 months for $9.95/month. http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #1172 **********************************