From: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net (diesel-benz-digest) To: diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Subject: diesel-benz-digest V1 #1178 Reply-To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net Sender: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Errors-To: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Precedence: bulk diesel-benz-digest Thursday, August 21 2003 Volume 01 : Number 1178 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: State of the W123 Union Re: Re[2]: electrical gremlin - '82 300SD Re: Re[2]: electrical gremlin - '82 300SD Another Diesel Convert from the Alfa Digest Gray Market Euro 300d RE: State of the W123 Union RE: electrical gremlin - '82 300SD no problem, just send me one. :) RE: electrical gremlin - '82 300SD RE: electrical gremlin - '82 300SD Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 15:28:30 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: State of the W123 Union On Wed, 20 Aug 2003, Robert Chase wrote: >-->John, >--> >-->They actually have MB cd players on ebay that should fit your car. Why >-->not get one of those? You could actually enhance the car's value by >-->installing one. that is a thought... easier install too I bet... of course what do they cost? and it probably won't do MP3 and probably be in klingon. ;) I will keep the stock unit and if I ever go to sell will either include it with the car or reinstall it, depending on my motivation and time. :) Not worried about increasing the value of the car, just taking good care of it and using it. :) john >--> >-->Robert Chase >--> >--> >-->john wrote: >--> >-->> My "mercedes" cassette deck has the same functionality as my >-->> old Becker, same radio I think... I can take some pictures >-->> of the manual and post it on my server if I get time... >-->> >-->> I'm pulling mine out and putting japanese rubbish in that will >-->> actually work, has controls that aren't in klingon and will play >-->> cd's. :) I looked at getting the cd changer for this one, but >-->> I could buy 4 or 5 nice cd players that work... guess I'l >-->> look for an mp3/cd in dash unit. >-->> >-->> will preserve the stock wiring and radio in case I ever sell this >-->> one. have no fear fellow Benzites. :) >-->> >-->> john >-->> >-->> >-->> On Wed, 20 Aug 2003, Renaud OLGIATI wrote: >-->> >-->> >-->>>-->W123 has finally returned home, incredibly nice, beatiful and smooth-running. >-->>>--> >-->>>-->And with a Becker Grand Prix Electronic radio, much more fitting than the >-->>>-->japanese rubbish that came with the car when I got it. >-->>>--> >-->>>-->Query: >-->>>-->Is there anywhere on the net where I can download the manual for that radio ? >-->>>--> >-->>>-->Its full of buttons, with little indication on how it works ;-3( >-->>>--> >-->>>-->TIA, >-->>>--> >-->>>-->Cheers, >-->>>--> >-->>>-->Ron. >-->>>-->-- >-->>>--> The complete lack of evidence is the surest sign >-->>>--> that the conspiracy is working. >-->>>--> >-->>>--> -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- >-->>>--> >-->> >-->> >-->> ---- >-->> >-->> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >-->> ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** >-->> Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. >-->> Suggestions: email in plain text w/o attachments, and trust Jesus. >-->> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >-->> The revolt is underway, >-->> the penguin is coming... >-->> I can hear the slap of his little feet... >-->> and the squishing of worms and sco lawyers under them... >-->> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >-->> >-->> >--> >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. Suggestions: email in plain text w/o attachments, and trust Jesus. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- The revolt is underway, the penguin is coming... I can hear the slap of his little feet... and the squishing of worms and sco lawyers under them... - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 15:33:29 -0700 From: Kevin Pekarek Subject: Re: Re[2]: electrical gremlin - '82 300SD On Wed, Aug 20, 2003 at 03:07:06PM -0700, john wrote: > On Wed, 20 Aug 2003, Richard Welty wrote: > >-->every time i see this subject line, the first thing that comes to me is > >-->"what does a crappy old AMC product have to do with a diesel benz?" actually, for what it was, the gremlin was a pretty decent little car. It had a rugged little drivetrain in a lightweight yet solid body. The little sixes got really good mileage (for a gasser), and the eights hauled serious butt. compared to its competition of the day, the pinto and the vega, it's fairly obvious which was the better built car. Compare the percentage of pintos and vegas sold that are still on the road to the percentage of gremlins built that are still on the road. personally, from that platform, I prefer the hornet - it seems much more finished than the gremlin - the gremlin always seemed to be missing the back half of the car to me. teague really penned some weird cars. > Hey, I always wanted one of those things. :) REmember seeing > them at the Chicago Auto Show, what was that? 1972? :) don't know which show you went to, but the gremlin was unveiled to the world on april 1, 1970. no, I am not making this up. :) I was considering one of three vehicles to replace the rapidly aging 94 crown vic - a w116 or 126 with a 617, another retired police crown vic, or a 70-73 hornet wagon with a 3.8L inline six. then the 190D appeared, and the rest is history. K - -- Kevin Pekarek Redwood City, CA (near San Francisco) and Los Osos, CA (near San Luis Obispo) 85 190D (601, 5spd) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 16:33:25 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: Re[2]: electrical gremlin - '82 300SD On Wed, 20 Aug 2003, Kevin Pekarek wrote: >-->> Hey, I always wanted one of those things. :) REmember seeing >-->> them at the Chicago Auto Show, what was that? 1972? :) >--> >-->don't know which show you went to, but the gremlin was unveiled to the world >-->on april 1, 1970. no, I am not making this up. :) >-->-- >-->Kevin Pekarek well, I went to that one too... :) actually, that may have been the time our shed blew away... they don't call it the windy city for nothing. :) john ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. Suggestions: email in plain text w/o attachments, and trust Jesus. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- The revolt is underway, the penguin is coming... I can hear the slap of his little feet... and the squishing of worms and sco lawyers under them... - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 18:43:56 -0500 From: "Richard Arnold" Subject: Another Diesel Convert from the Alfa Digest Hey check this out. I know, it's not a Benz but a diesel none the less. This guy wrote this to the Alfa Digest, also managed by the esteemed Mr. Welty, and espoused what we have known for years. Richard Arnold '87 300 SDL '73 Alfa Spider "Early this year I purchased, yep..VW TDI as a wonderful compliment to my trusted GTV6. If you are looking for IMHO, the biggest bang for the buck, check this Teutonic sleeper out. in auto form; 43+MPG...50+ in 5 sp. Relatively large storage area and very easy loading in back. Wonderful package of creature comforts. Extremely well behaved on the hwy...including spirited driving. NO need for ignition/sparking worries. Excellent reasonable tuning bits offered for those that want performance for small price. Many NA drivers are extracting 130+ hp with a simple chip and Euro nozzles...with no decrease in mileage. Of course, those of you in CA. may find it difficult to find a new one as of next year. The jury is still out. When you find a fifteen gallon tank will easily take you 600-1000 miles per tank...depending on whether you drive it like an Alfa or a Camry... This vehicle, to me...is such a joy compared to the ricers and the gassers. Check one out! You will be amazed." The perfect hauler/commuter for an alfisti. If only we could get some of those Alfa TDI's over here. gary - -- to be removed from alfa, see http://www.digest.net/bin/digest-subs.cgi or email "unsubscribe alfa" to majordomo-at-digest.net ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 19:52:23 -0400 From: Robert Chase Subject: Gray Market Euro 300d Neat car, Notice the lack of the air bag on the wheel. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=6330&item=2428354501 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 18:55:38 -0500 From: "Richard Arnold" Subject: RE: State of the W123 Union > Robert wrote > > John, > > They actually have MB cd players on ebay that should fit your car. Why > not get one of those? You could actually enhance the car's value by > installing one. > > Robert Chase > John, He's right you know. PLEASE don't put non-MB junk in your pristine 300. A still jealous purist, Richard Arnold '87 300 SDL '73 Alfa Spider ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 19:58:01 -0400 From: "Michael Aimino" Subject: RE: electrical gremlin - '82 300SD OK, I finally did what I should have done all along - I pulled the brushes out (thank you Kirk for suggesting the bloody obvious). There's less than 1/4" of brush left. Now, I put those genuine Bosch brushes in about 5 months - what's the expected lifespan of a set of brushes? Anyway, I have to order a set of brushes. Hopefully, this is the source of the problem. Sorry for all the fuss. Mike On 20 Aug 03, at 8:44, john wrote: > try swapping one in... I still think it's either > the regulator flaking out because it tests good on the bench... > otherwise I'd guess a diode. > > I've had these problems with alternators before... a regulator > is silicon and can behave fine on a bench and wig out in real life... > > have your alternator guy heat the alternator up, under load, > on the bench and see how it works. Hair dryer or propane > torch to the case might invoke the symptoms. > > Don't disbelieve him, it may indeed test fine on the bench. > > john > > On Wed, 20 Aug 2003, Aimino, Michael wrote: > > >-->4th attempt to send this... > >--> > >-->Well, the battery was dead by the time I got home last night. The > >brake -->warning lights were on, though very dim. I pulled the > >charging system warning -->light and it's fine. It doesn't come on, > >though. --> -->The fuel warning light might be on, albeit *very* > >dimly. I haven't checked it -->in the shade to see if it's on. I'll > >try that tonight. --> -->The alternator made 13.4v on the test bench. > >I tested/cleaned everything else, -->so I'm starting to think that > >despite his 35+ years of experience, my -->alternator man is wrong > >about the state of the alternator. Hey, nobody's -->perfect. --> > >-->Anyway, I brought my service manual CDs to work with me and I'll > >see what the -->wiring diagrams might tell me. I have a feeling I'm > >going to end up pulling -->the alternator again. --> > > ---- > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > --- > ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** > Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. > Suggestions: email in plain text w/o attachments, and trust Jesus. > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > --- The revolt is underway, > the penguin is coming... > I can hear the slap of his little feet... > and the squishing of worms and sco lawyers under them... > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > --- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 17:03:06 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: no problem, just send me one. :) Ok, not a problem, willing to do it... just send me one and I'll cheerfully install it... and if it works, will even send you my stock mercedes radio in exchange. :) ;) (seriously if you see a link for one on ebay send it... I'll give it some thought. :) mainly a cost issue... this one keeps spitting out my cassettes... of course some of (no, most of) my cassettes are older then this car, no, wait, older then my children... (20/23) ;) john On Wed, 20 Aug 2003, Richard Arnold wrote: >-->> Robert wrote >-->> >-->> John, >-->> >-->> They actually have MB cd players on ebay that should fit your car. >-->Why >-->> not get one of those? You could actually enhance the car's value by >-->> installing one. >-->> >-->> Robert Chase >-->> >-->John, >-->He's right you know. PLEASE don't put non-MB junk in your pristine 300. >--> >-->A still jealous purist, >--> >-->Richard Arnold >-->'87 300 SDL >-->'73 Alfa Spider >--> >--> >--> >--> >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. Suggestions: email in plain text w/o attachments, and trust Jesus. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- The revolt is underway, the penguin is coming... I can hear the slap of his little feet... and the squishing of worms and sco lawyers under them... - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 20:08:46 -0400 From: "Michael Aimino" Subject: RE: electrical gremlin - '82 300SD Oh, and thank you to everyone else who suggested I check the brushes. Kirk wasn't the only one. Mike On 20 Aug 03, at 19:58, Michael Aimino wrote: > OK, I finally did what I should have done all along - I pulled the > brushes out (thank you Kirk for suggesting the bloody obvious). > There's less than 1/4" of brush left. > > Now, I put those genuine Bosch brushes in about 5 months - what's the > expected lifespan of a set of brushes? > > Anyway, I have to order a set of brushes. Hopefully, this is the > source of the problem. > > Sorry for all the fuss. > > Mike > > On 20 Aug 03, at 8:44, john wrote: > > > try swapping one in... I still think it's either > > the regulator flaking out because it tests good on the bench... > > otherwise I'd guess a diode. > > > > I've had these problems with alternators before... a regulator is > > silicon and can behave fine on a bench and wig out in real life... > > > > have your alternator guy heat the alternator up, under load, > > on the bench and see how it works. Hair dryer or propane > > torch to the case might invoke the symptoms. > > > > Don't disbelieve him, it may indeed test fine on the bench. > > > > john > > > > On Wed, 20 Aug 2003, Aimino, Michael wrote: > > > > >-->4th attempt to send this... > > >--> > > >-->Well, the battery was dead by the time I got home last night. > > >The brake -->warning lights were on, though very dim. I pulled the > > >charging system warning -->light and it's fine. It doesn't come on, > > >though. --> -->The fuel warning light might be on, albeit *very* > > >dimly. I haven't checked it -->in the shade to see if it's on. I'll > > >try that tonight. --> -->The alternator made 13.4v on the test > > >bench. I tested/cleaned everything else, -->so I'm starting to > > >think that despite his 35+ years of experience, my -->alternator > > >man is wrong about the state of the alternator. Hey, nobody's > > >-->perfect. --> -->Anyway, I brought my service manual CDs to work > > >with me and I'll see what the -->wiring diagrams might tell me. I > > >have a feeling I'm going to end up pulling -->the alternator again. > > >--> > > > > ---- > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > -- --- > > ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** > > Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. > > Suggestions: email in plain text w/o attachments, and trust Jesus. > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > -- --- The revolt is underway, > > the penguin is coming... > > I can hear the slap of his little feet... > > and the squishing of worms and sco lawyers under them... > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > -- --- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 17:16:47 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: RE: electrical gremlin - '82 300SD 1/4" should be enough to work... your alternator dude would have figured that out... we'll see if it fixes it... hope it does... john On Wed, 20 Aug 2003, Michael Aimino wrote: >-->OK, I finally did what I should have done all along - I pulled the >-->brushes out (thank you Kirk for suggesting the bloody obvious). >-->There's less than 1/4" of brush left. >--> >-->Now, I put those genuine Bosch brushes in about 5 months - what's the >-->expected lifespan of a set of brushes? >--> >-->Anyway, I have to order a set of brushes. Hopefully, this is the >-->source of the problem. >--> >-->Sorry for all the fuss. >--> >-->Mike >--> >-->On 20 Aug 03, at 8:44, john wrote: >--> >-->> try swapping one in... I still think it's either >-->> the regulator flaking out because it tests good on the bench... >-->> otherwise I'd guess a diode. >-->> >-->> I've had these problems with alternators before... a regulator >-->> is silicon and can behave fine on a bench and wig out in real life... >-->> >-->> have your alternator guy heat the alternator up, under load, >-->> on the bench and see how it works. Hair dryer or propane >-->> torch to the case might invoke the symptoms. >-->> >-->> Don't disbelieve him, it may indeed test fine on the bench. >-->> >-->> john >-->> >-->> On Wed, 20 Aug 2003, Aimino, Michael wrote: >-->> >-->> >-->4th attempt to send this... >-->> >--> >-->> >-->Well, the battery was dead by the time I got home last night. The >-->> >brake -->warning lights were on, though very dim. I pulled the >-->> >charging system warning -->light and it's fine. It doesn't come on, >-->> >though. --> -->The fuel warning light might be on, albeit *very* >-->> >dimly. I haven't checked it -->in the shade to see if it's on. I'll >-->> >try that tonight. --> -->The alternator made 13.4v on the test bench. >-->> >I tested/cleaned everything else, -->so I'm starting to think that >-->> >despite his 35+ years of experience, my -->alternator man is wrong >-->> >about the state of the alternator. Hey, nobody's -->perfect. --> >-->> >-->Anyway, I brought my service manual CDs to work with me and I'll >-->> >see what the -->wiring diagrams might tell me. I have a feeling I'm >-->> >going to end up pulling -->the alternator again. --> >-->> >-->> ---- >-->> >-->> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >-->> --- >-->> ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** >-->> Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. >-->> Suggestions: email in plain text w/o attachments, and trust Jesus. >-->> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >-->> --- The revolt is underway, >-->> the penguin is coming... >-->> I can hear the slap of his little feet... >-->> and the squishing of worms and sco lawyers under them... >-->> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >-->> --- >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. Suggestions: email in plain text w/o attachments, and trust Jesus. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- The revolt is underway, the penguin is coming... I can hear the slap of his little feet... and the squishing of worms and sco lawyers under them... - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #1178 **********************************