From: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net (diesel-benz-digest) To: diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Subject: diesel-benz-digest V1 #1185 Reply-To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net Sender: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Errors-To: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Precedence: bulk diesel-benz-digest Sunday, August 24 2003 Volume 01 : Number 1185 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: tires next project... Re: tires next project... Re: tires next project... Re: tires next project... Re: confusion by crutchfield, labor by car toys... splicing ahead Re: tires next project... Re: confusion by crutchfield, labor by car toys... splicing ahead Re: tires next project... Re: confusion by crutchfield, labor by car toys... splicing ahead Re: tires next project... leak! Re: tires next project... Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 13:41:44 -0700 From: john Subject: Re: tires next project... what about Bridgestones? john At 04:37 PM 8/23/2003 -0400, Robert Chase wrote: >John, > >My brother had Yokohama's on his Maxima. They improved handling but did >little for the ride quality. I had Continentals on a Honda Accord I >had. The handling and ride was much improved. My Michelens have yet to >make noise but then again I drive it like an old lady. > >Robert. > > > > >john wrote: > >>At 05:49 AM 8/23/2003 -0400, Robert Chase wrote: >> >>>Hmmm, >>>Personally I lean more towards Continental's myself I like the softer >>>ride that they have. In a full sized Mercedes ride quality is much more >>>important than sporty handling charactartistcs. The Michelens I have >>>are not bad either. Although they have a stiffer ride than I normally >>>like the suspension deals with the ride quality well anyway. >>>Robert Chase >> >>how will the yokohama's compare? I like the tread pattern... with >>siping and all I think the total comes to $370 with the measley $100 >>trade-in for my existing tires... >>I had a nice set of yokohama superdigger IV's on my gmc jimmy, but they >>didn't last, the guy that bought the rig replaced them soon after... >>nice ride is important, but I want to be able to turn corners without >>squealing and sliding too... :) >>john >>------------------------------------------------------------------ >> http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ >> Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... >> Jesus, don't leave life without him, please! >>------------------------------------------------------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... Jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 16:15:31 -0500 From: Jon Filina Subject: Re: tires next project... John, "Leave no stone unturned" Meister asked: > what about Bridgestones? One of the cars I owned years ago came with Bridgestones. I don't remember which one, but I do recall that their ride reflected the name-they were hard and noisy. They may not be that way today, though. The Yoko's you mention sound pretty pricey. Then again, the stock tires these older MB's use can be had for bargain basement prices. I am still very happy with the Avid Touring tires I had installed. Like Robert, I have been accused of driving like a little old lady. I have been known to maintain the speed limit on a hard turn and have not heard any squeal from the tires when I did it. For the cheapskates amongst us, the Avid Touring, Dunlops and Kumho's should give reliable and quiet handling. Anything more than that sounds to be nitpicking... If you have a perfectly good set of 15" tires and wheels, why not use them? Yes, the speedometer will be off. Check and see what the adjustment is. The difference in speed, if you adhere to the speed limit, won't be enough to get you a ticket. If you have a "need for speed" you'll get what you deserve! I am getting a bit tired of having to stay out of the way of the idiots that feel they can run 80+ mph in a 60 mph zone. I get a big grin on my face when I see them on the side of the road getting a ticket. I was not happy to have one doing over 100 mph and slamming into me because their cell phone conversation was more important than maintaining control of their beast... Jon '84 300SD 164,??? "Bruno" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 18:41:50 -0400 From: Robert Chase Subject: Re: tires next project... Had those on my Accord. Did not care for them but then again I did not care for the car either. Robert. john wrote: > what about Bridgestones? > > john > > At 04:37 PM 8/23/2003 -0400, Robert Chase wrote: > >> John, >> >> My brother had Yokohama's on his Maxima. They improved handling but >> did little for the ride quality. I had Continentals on a Honda Accord >> I had. The handling and ride was much improved. My Michelens have >> yet to make noise but then again I drive it like an old lady. >> >> Robert. >> >> >> >> >> john wrote: >> >>> At 05:49 AM 8/23/2003 -0400, Robert Chase wrote: >>> >>>> Hmmm, >>>> Personally I lean more towards Continental's myself I like the >>>> softer ride that they have. In a full sized Mercedes ride quality is >>>> much more important than sporty handling charactartistcs. The >>>> Michelens I have are not bad either. Although they have a stiffer >>>> ride than I normally like the suspension deals with the ride quality >>>> well anyway. >>>> Robert Chase >>> >>> >>> how will the yokohama's compare? I like the tread pattern... with >>> siping and all I think the total comes to $370 with the measley $100 >>> trade-in for my existing tires... >>> I had a nice set of yokohama superdigger IV's on my gmc jimmy, but they >>> didn't last, the guy that bought the rig replaced them soon after... >>> nice ride is important, but I want to be able to turn corners without >>> squealing and sliding too... :) >>> john >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ >>> Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... >>> Jesus, don't leave life without him, please! >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ > Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... > Jesus, don't leave life without him, please! > ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 19:03:49 -0400 From: Robert Chase Subject: Re: tires next project... Jon Filina wrote: > John, "Leave no stone unturned" Meister asked: > >> what about Bridgestones? > > > One of the cars I owned years ago came with Bridgestones. I don't > remember which one, but I do recall that their ride reflected the > name-they were hard and noisy. Hmmmm Yes my Accords ride was hard and noisy too hmmmmmmm.... > > They may not be that way today, though. > > The Yoko's you mention sound pretty pricey. Then again, the stock tires > these older MB's use can be had for bargain basement prices. I am still > very happy with the Avid Touring tires I had installed. Like Robert, I > have been accused of driving like a little old lady. I have been known > to maintain the speed limit on a hard turn and have not heard any squeal > from the tires when I did it. I'm much the same. One does not "throw around" an S class body without the expectation of massive property damage if something goes wrong. Sort of why they dont use big jets for aerobatics (even though aircraft as big as a 707 have been rolled successfully and 747's have made turns in excess of 45degrees). > > For the cheapskates amongst us, the Avid Touring, Dunlops and Kumho's > should give reliable and quiet handling. Anything more than that sounds > to be nitpicking... I had Toyo's on a 1991 Honda Accord once. They were cheap and had a 100k mile warranty. You get what you pay for though. They had awful wet handling charactaristics and did not live up to their 100k warranty. I bought the car from a friends mother who bought the car new and she ended up buying it back from me. She ended up wearing out the tires in 40k miles. > > If you have a perfectly good set of 15" tires and wheels, why not use > them? Yes, the speedometer will be off. Check and see what the > adjustment is. The difference in speed, if you adhere to the speed > limit, won't be enough to get you a ticket. If you have a "need for > speed" you'll get what you deserve! I am getting a bit tired of having > to stay out of the way of the idiots that feel they can run 80+ mph in a > 60 mph zone. I get a big grin on my face when I see them on the side of > the road getting a ticket. I was not happy to have one doing over 100 > mph and slamming into me because their cell phone conversation was more > important than maintaining control of their beast... I dunno I used to be one of those "Idiots" myself. I think it has a lot to do with the way automakers design the cars. My Volvo and my Accord both drove better at speeds higher than 75mph. My Mercedes is older and seems to cruise nicely at 65-70mph. In Atlanta those who drive the 55mph speed limit get run over. The cops here dont bother anybody doing under 80mph. On the interestate driving fast is acceptable to me. On small single lane roads its quite stupid. Most of our speed laws were put in place for the savings of fuel during the oil chrisis in the 1970's (a scenerio I sincerly hope happens again soon). State and local goverments found the influx of cash in speeding fines to be good for more patrol cars and more radar units and good for their treasury balances. Your classic twist the laws around for your own benefit rather than the fundemental reason for their creation in the first place. People who are paying attention and driving fast are not the same people talking on a cellphone and riding up on your back bumper. > > Jon > '84 300SD 164,??? "Bruno" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 19:02:24 -0700 From: Greg Fiorentino Subject: Re: confusion by crutchfield, labor by car toys... splicing ahead <> John: There is a DIN radio remover tool sold on a site submitted by a list member: http://www.samstagsales.com/ Greg Greg Fiorentino Vancouver USA gfior-at-dslnorthwest.net '84 300D Turbo '79 300TD '85 F-350 6.9 crew cab ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 23:23:22 -0700 From: john Subject: Re: tires next project... At 04:15 PM 8/23/2003 -0500, Jon Filina wrote: >If you have a perfectly good set of 15" tires and wheels, why not use >them? Yes, the speedometer will be off. I don't like it being off... I like things to work as they're designed, or better. I don't like thinking that the speedo is off and living with it because I'll get in my other vehicles that are right and end up speeding. :) (the speedo reads almost 5 mph faster then I'm going with this car... my wife looks over and comments about the speed limit, and I just point her to the GPS, which she can't see without her glasses... :) too confusing to remember how fast you're really going. If I'm not doing the speed limit at least then I feel I'm contributing the traffic problems in Seattle. If you're on my backside and I'm doing just a bit over then I'm going to let you get around and find the speed traps for me. :) john - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... Jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 23:19:40 -0700 From: john Subject: Re: confusion by crutchfield, labor by car toys... splicing ahead IS THIS IT? :) http://www.samstagsales.com/mercedes/mb_radiotool.jpg At 07:02 PM 8/23/2003 -0700, Greg Fiorentino wrote: ><> > >John: > >There is a DIN radio remover tool sold on a site submitted by a list member: > >http://www.samstagsales.com/ > >Greg > > >Greg Fiorentino >Vancouver USA >gfior-at-dslnorthwest.net > >'84 300D Turbo >'79 300TD >'85 F-350 6.9 crew cab - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... Jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 05:30:46 -0400 From: Robert Chase Subject: Re: tires next project... John, Whatever you do stay away from airplanes :). Airspeed indicators vary based on tempature and pressure. On hot days you have to be careful because the airspeed indicator is off a little. The bottom part of the green arc becomes quite trecherous. I had a sadistic instructor pull that one on me during some of my first flying lessons. One can imagine the horror of a student pilot looking at an airspeed indicator in the green and a stall horn sounding. :) Guess Im used to guages being off a little. Robert john wrote: > At 04:15 PM 8/23/2003 -0500, Jon Filina wrote: > >> If you have a perfectly good set of 15" tires and wheels, why not use >> them? Yes, the speedometer will be off. > > > I don't like it being off... I like things to work as they're > designed, or better. > > I don't like thinking that the speedo is off and living with it > because I'll get in my other vehicles that are right and end up > speeding. :) (the speedo reads almost 5 mph faster then I'm going > with this car... my wife looks over and comments about the speed limit, > and I just point her to the GPS, which she can't see without her > glasses... :) > > too confusing to remember how fast you're really going. If I'm > not doing the speed limit at least then I feel I'm contributing > the traffic problems in Seattle. If you're on my backside and > I'm doing just a bit over then I'm going to let you get around > and find the speed traps for me. :) > > john > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ > Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... > Jesus, don't leave life without him, please! > ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 08:07:46 -0700 From: Greg Fiorentino Subject: Re: confusion by crutchfield, labor by car toys... splicing ahead Yes, that's what I saw, but it does not look like the tools I saw on Crutchfield site to do the same thing. I haven't BTDT yet...but hope to soon. Greg At 11:19 PM 8/23/03 , john wrote: >IS THIS IT? :) > > >http://www.samstagsales.com/mercedes/mb_radiotool.jpg > > >At 07:02 PM 8/23/2003 -0700, Greg Fiorentino wrote: >><> >> >>John: >> >>There is a DIN radio remover tool sold on a site submitted by a list member: >> >>http://www.samstagsales.com/ >> >>Greg Greg Fiorentino gfior-at-dslnorthwest.net ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 12:53:59 -0400 From: Robert Chase Subject: Re: tires next project... Renaud, While GPS is great for ground speed but one still needs the pitot static system for determining the speed one is traveling through the air. While you might have a ground speed of 60kts if you have a 25kt tail wind you will wonder why your stall horn keeps going off :) Robert Renaud OLGIATI wrote: > My mailbox was recently graced by a missive from Robert Chase : > > >>Whatever you do stay away from airplanes :). Airspeed indicators vary >>based on tempature and pressure. > > > Better use a sattelite nav system ? > > I hear the Gallileo system will be more precise, and give faster response, > than the GPS. > > Cheers, > > Ron. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 12:08:31 -0700 From: john Subject: leak! noticed a puddle of Diesel under my '91 300d this morning... so I pushed it out of the carport, popped the hood, sprayed carb cleaner, air dried and found the leak at the top of the pump in the middle injector, see picture: http://www.wagoneers.com/DieselBenz/91-300d-2.5L/2.5l-inj-pump-leak.jpg not sure if it's a gasket, o-ring or just not tight... I've been smelling Diesel for a while, and occassionaly see fuel on the ground, but not as much as now... Should I try to tighten it or take it apart and replace the gaskets or is it worse then that? john - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... Jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 12:10:35 -0700 From: john Subject: Re: tires next project... At 05:30 AM 8/24/2003 -0400, Robert Chase wrote: >John, > >Whatever you do stay away from airplanes :). Airspeed indicators vary based hey, wait a minute, I used to design circuits for airplanes... :) my step dad tells a funny story about how the flight instructor kept telling him to throttle back... he said he hear this alarm and then all of a sudden... well, you know the rest of the story... :) john >on tempature and pressure. On hot days you have to be careful because the >airspeed indicator is off a little. The bottom part of the green arc >becomes quite trecherous. I had a sadistic instructor pull that one on me >during some of my first flying lessons. One can imagine the horror of a >student pilot looking at an airspeed indicator in the green and a stall >horn sounding. :) > >Guess Im used to guages being off a little. > >Robert > > > >john wrote: >>At 04:15 PM 8/23/2003 -0500, Jon Filina wrote: >> >>>If you have a perfectly good set of 15" tires and wheels, why not use >>>them? Yes, the speedometer will be off. >> >>I don't like it being off... I like things to work as they're >>designed, or better. >>I don't like thinking that the speedo is off and living with it >>because I'll get in my other vehicles that are right and end up >>speeding. :) (the speedo reads almost 5 mph faster then I'm going >>with this car... my wife looks over and comments about the speed limit, >>and I just point her to the GPS, which she can't see without her >>glasses... :) >>too confusing to remember how fast you're really going. If I'm >>not doing the speed limit at least then I feel I'm contributing >>the traffic problems in Seattle. If you're on my backside and >>I'm doing just a bit over then I'm going to let you get around >>and find the speed traps for me. :) >>john >>------------------------------------------------------------------ >> http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ >> Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... >> Jesus, don't leave life without him, please! >>------------------------------------------------------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... Jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #1185 **********************************