From owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Thu Aug 28 14:55:37 2003 From: diesel-benz-digest diesel-benz-digest Thursday, August 28 2003 Volume 01 : Number 1195 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: 82 300D turbo update seattle-phoenix-detroit and back Running waste oil in a diesel Running waste oil Re: Running waste oil Re: Running waste oil Re: Running waste oil Re: Running waste oil RE: Running waste oil Re: Running waste oil Re: Running waste oil Re: Re[2]: Subject prefix..? Re: Running waste oil RE: swapping hoods, WAS: Running waste oil RE: Re[2]: Subject prefix..? Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 17:50:07 -0700 From: "Derickam AA" Subject: 82 300D turbo update Hello, I went through everyone's email replies again, thanks. The car does not have a spare would my 14 inch 190d rim work on the 300? I was thinking about UPSing the rim down there and using it with another tire on it. Many replies suggest taking a fuel filters, how many should I take? Two, three or a case? Also is this a self bleed or manual bleed fuel system? Has anyone out there had to rebuild the vacuum pump for this car? Looking through some parts listings and it shows a rebuild kit. Looks like I get to spend two hours in Vegas Airport, any good places to eat in that place or is it like seatac with the stale sandwiches and 2 month old hotdogs. How much trouble can I get into just in the airport? ;) Thanks for the wealth of information here. I think I am going to knuckle down and buy the factory CD or manual before I go. I will not be able to sleep until I get familiar with the major assemblies. Derick Amburgey Automated Control Specialist Port Of Seattle/SeaTac Airport/Satellite Train System Amateur Radio Callsign: K7DXX List "Mom" of Diesel-Benz reflector 1985 Mercedes 190D "Tuti" 280,000 Mi (36 mpg) 1984 Mercedes 190D "Charity" 160,000 Mi (in rehab) 1981 Volkswagen Caddy 1.6L 66,000 Mi (50 mpg) _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8: Get 6 months for $9.95/month http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 22:53:15 -0700 From: john Subject: seattle-phoenix-detroit and back heading to detroit on sept 22, returning 26th taking a UG/IMAN UNIX install class in Livonia. not sure how long my layover is in phoenix... fly out of seatac around 8:30am, arrive in the motor city around 6pm. kind of a long way to get there, but the air fare was $380 vs. $700 for direct so I agreed to save some money... I'll know the details on tues to see how much time I'll have at phoenix... john meister - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... Jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 10:16:13 -0500 From: "Black, Waylon" Subject: Running waste oil in a diesel Pretty detailed - I bought my filter assembly from this guy(off ebay). http://www.greasestation.com/svoinfo.htm Includes 'collection' tips. http://www.greasestation.com/collection.htm ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 12:17:52 -0500 From: "Black, Waylon" Subject: Running waste oil I have not converted yet. My plan is to use the normal tank(with a heater added) as the waste oil tank. I don't understand using a 5 gallon tank for waste oil. Using a 5 gallon tank for diesel makes more since - you are only using diesel for start up and shut down. Why have the 20+ gallon tank holding the diesel? You could probable get away with a 2 gallon tank(takes up less room and easy to remove). Waylon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 13:34:20 -0400 From: "S.D.Byers" Subject: Re: Running waste oil I have run various oils in small batches, I just mix them with diesel in the main tank. The car runs and starts very well on 50/50 diesel-canola mix. It is a non-turbo OM617 engine but not in a mercedes chassis. I am currently getting round to finishing my twin tank stuff and scaling up my filtering operations. I will have a 10gal tank for diesel starting and 25 gallon tank for veggie oil. Both are stainless steel with inspection hatches for manual de-gunking. I agree with the "small tank for diesel-starting" principal. You can always put diesel in your big tank if you need to. SDB On Thu, 28 Aug 2003, Black, Waylon wrote: |I have not converted yet. My plan is to use the normal tank(with a heater |added) as the waste oil tank. I don't understand using a 5 gallon tank for |waste oil. Using a 5 gallon tank for diesel makes more since - you are only |using diesel for start up and shut down. Why have the 20+ gallon tank |holding the diesel? You could probable get away with a 2 gallon tank(takes |up less room and easy to remove). | | |Waylon | ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 11:07:49 -0700 (PDT) From: hue wong Subject: Re: Running waste oil Wow, this was just the topic I was going to ask on. How hard is it to add a second tank to a 300 TD? I just cam across a parts car, 77 300, http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/visceralvic/lst?.dir=/Mercedes&.view=t that has the stock second tank. I was thinking on picking up the car, just for this reason and porting over the tank to my 82 300td. On another note. I am running 75% #2 and 25% strained french fry greese today, did the mix lastnight and just poured the greese directly into the tank after a fill up. Seem to be running fine on the way to work this morning, 20 miles (in fact, it seem to be running somehow smoother in some odd way...) I think I am sold on this (or I will be after the tank runs through and the car hasn't freezed up on the hiway) I got the greese free form a local mom and pop burger joint and it saved me about 10 bucks on the fillup. (but it took a little over an hour to straing the goop, by pouring back and forth between a strainer, then a panty hose strainer, still I have about 20 gallons left over still ready to go..) Although... Don't I need to swap out some rubber in the injection system at some point? Wonder how much that costs? Rock on! I love Mercedes Desiels!!!!! - --- "S.D.Byers" wrote: > I have run various oils in small batches, I just mix > them with diesel in > the main tank. The car runs and starts very well on > 50/50 diesel-canola > mix. It is a non-turbo OM617 engine but not in a > mercedes chassis. > > I am currently getting round to finishing my twin > tank stuff and scaling > up my filtering operations. > > I will have a 10gal tank for diesel starting and 25 > gallon tank for veggie > oil. Both are stainless steel with inspection > hatches for manual > de-gunking. > > I agree with the "small tank for diesel-starting" > principal. You can > always put diesel in your big tank if you need to. > > > SDB > > > On Thu, 28 Aug 2003, Black, Waylon wrote: > > |I have not converted yet. My plan is to use the > normal tank(with a heater > |added) as the waste oil tank. I don't understand > using a 5 gallon tank for > |waste oil. Using a 5 gallon tank for diesel makes > more since - you are only > |using diesel for start up and shut down. Why have > the 20+ gallon tank > |holding the diesel? You could probable get away > with a 2 gallon tank(takes > |up less room and easy to remove). > | > | > |Waylon > | __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 14:20:27 -0400 From: "Jim Steere" Subject: Re: Running waste oil > Wow, this was just the topic I was going to ask on. > > How hard is it to add a second tank to a 300 TD? Biggest problem I can see is just "where" you're gonna' put another tank other than in the rear passenger compartment. You could custom-fab one that goes in the spare tire well, or you could remove the third seat/luggage hatch (depending on how your TD is equipped) and put a flat rectangular one on the rear floor. Between the exaust and the OEM tank the undercarriage is pretty well used up. Granted....it has a much bigger filtering setup....and I'm real religious about changing them.....but I've never had any problems running as much as a 30% mix of used motor oil and/or any other kind of semi-flammable glop with premium diesel (admittedly....in an 80 gallon saddle tank with a (water) heating coil) in my Isuzu FSR diesel rollback. No ill effects at all other than sometimes the exhaust smell *funny*. Jim Steere Everything Automotive Crystal, MI www.usedbenzparts.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 15:44:03 -0400 From: "Michael Aimino" Subject: Re: Running waste oil On 28 Aug 03, at 11:07, hue wong wrote: > Although... Don't I need to swap out some rubber in > the injection system at some point? Wonder how much > that costs? No need to swap any hoses unless you're using biodiesel, and then only because the trace amounts of methanol in the biodiesel will possibly soften the hoses over time. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 14:49:39 -0500 From: "Sam Williams" <1sam-at-io.com> Subject: RE: Running waste oil Wong, No need to replace rubber parts if they are MB or standard replacement bits. You can get a Racor filter and small pump to make the filtering less onerous. Be sure to keep spare MB filters (both canister and small clear one) with you in case your pre-filtering efforts were not sufficient. Sam - -----Original Message----- From: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of hue wong Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 1:08 PM To: S.D.Byers; Black, Waylon Cc: 'diesel-benz-at-digest.net' Subject: Re: Running waste oil Wow, this was just the topic I was going to ask on. How hard is it to add a second tank to a 300 TD? I just cam across a parts car, 77 300, http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/visceralvic/lst?.dir=/Mercedes&.view=t that has the stock second tank. I was thinking on picking up the car, just for this reason and porting over the tank to my 82 300td. On another note. I am running 75% #2 and 25% strained french fry greese today, did the mix lastnight and just poured the greese directly into the tank after a fill up. Seem to be running fine on the way to work this morning, 20 miles (in fact, it seem to be running somehow smoother in some odd way...) I think I am sold on this (or I will be after the tank runs through and the car hasn't freezed up on the hiway) I got the greese free form a local mom and pop burger joint and it saved me about 10 bucks on the fillup. (but it took a little over an hour to straing the goop, by pouring back and forth between a strainer, then a panty hose strainer, still I have about 20 gallons left over still ready to go..) Although... Don't I need to swap out some rubber in the injection system at some point? Wonder how much that costs? Rock on! I love Mercedes Desiels!!!!! - --- "S.D.Byers" wrote: > I have run various oils in small batches, I just mix > them with diesel in > the main tank. The car runs and starts very well on > 50/50 diesel-canola > mix. It is a non-turbo OM617 engine but not in a > mercedes chassis. > > I am currently getting round to finishing my twin > tank stuff and scaling > up my filtering operations. > > I will have a 10gal tank for diesel starting and 25 > gallon tank for veggie > oil. Both are stainless steel with inspection > hatches for manual > de-gunking. > > I agree with the "small tank for diesel-starting" > principal. You can > always put diesel in your big tank if you need to. > > > SDB > > > On Thu, 28 Aug 2003, Black, Waylon wrote: > > |I have not converted yet. My plan is to use the > normal tank(with a heater > |added) as the waste oil tank. I don't understand > using a 5 gallon tank for > |waste oil. Using a 5 gallon tank for diesel makes > more since - you are only > |using diesel for start up and shut down. Why have > the 20+ gallon tank > |holding the diesel? You could probable get away > with a 2 gallon tank(takes > |up less room and easy to remove). > | > | > |Waylon > | __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 13:05:41 -0700 (PDT) From: hue wong Subject: Re: Running waste oil > Biggest problem I can see is just "where" you're > gonna' put another tank > other than in the rear passenger compartment. You > could custom-fab one that > goes in the spare tire well, or you could remove the > third seat/luggage > hatch (depending on how your TD is equipped) and put > a flat rectangular one > on the rear floor. > >_____ The second fuel tank unit I was looking at, looks like it just bolts in behind the rear seat in the trunk. It's some sort ofStanless boxy trainagle unit with a filler nozzle up the side (pop the trunk to fill) In closer inspection I don't think it's a factory install, rather a custom built unit for the 300d. I'm just curious as to how these units are plumbed in. Anyway, I'm more then happy with the french fry greese. Just took the car out for a little lunch spin and did notice the number #2 smell is more like Mcdonalds now, but I can sure live with that! __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 13:25:02 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: Running waste oil that '80 300CD I had had the aux. tank right behind the stock tank, couldn't hardly tell it was there, but doubled the capacity... john On Thu, 28 Aug 2003, Jim Steere wrote: >-->> Wow, this was just the topic I was going to ask on. >-->> >-->> How hard is it to add a second tank to a 300 TD? >--> >-->Biggest problem I can see is just "where" you're gonna' put another tank >-->other than in the rear passenger compartment. You could custom-fab one that >-->goes in the spare tire well, or you could remove the third seat/luggage >-->hatch (depending on how your TD is equipped) and put a flat rectangular one >-->on the rear floor. >--> >-->Between the exaust and the OEM tank the undercarriage is pretty well used >-->up. >--> >-->Granted....it has a much bigger filtering setup....and I'm real religious >-->about changing them.....but I've never had any problems running as much as a >-->30% mix of used motor oil and/or any other kind of semi-flammable glop with >-->premium diesel (admittedly....in an 80 gallon saddle tank with a (water) >-->heating coil) in my Isuzu FSR diesel rollback. No ill effects at all other >-->than sometimes the exhaust smell *funny*. >--> >-->Jim Steere >-->Everything Automotive >-->Crystal, MI >-->www.usedbenzparts.com >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. Suggestions: email in plain text w/o attachments, and trust Jesus. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- The revolt is underway, the penguin is coming... I can hear the slap of his little feet... and the squishing of worms and sco lawyers under them... - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 14:13:22 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: Re[2]: Subject prefix..? the fsj and xj list has it already, I'll cc Derrick and see if he's ok with adding [dbl] to the subject (diesel-benz-list) just takes up too much space. ;) I'm sure he'll be ok with it though... john On Thu, 28 Aug 2003, Richard Welty wrote: >-->On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 16:53:54 -0400 (EDT) Richard Welty wrote: >--> >-->> On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 09:10:19 EDT CWN72-at-aol.com wrote: >-->> > I'd like to see a prefix added to all digest relayed emails. >--> >-->> > That way we can easily identify all emails that came thru digest.net >-->> and >-->> > delete/report Spam that came from elsewhere! >--> >-->> > The prefix [prefix] could be related to the particular list [Stag] >-->> we're >-->> > subscribed to or even [Digest] for all. >--> >-->> that's not hard. i may just do that. >--> >-->let me qualify that. i will do this for those lists where i am officially >-->the administrator. >--> >-->if the admins of fsj, xj, and diesel-benz would like this, they should >-->contact me on how to do it. >--> >-->richard >-->-- >-->Richard Welty rwelty-at-averillpark.net >-->Averill Park Networking 518-573-7592 >--> Java, PHP, PostgreSQL, Unix, Linux, IP Network Engineering, Security >-->-- >-->to be removed from offtopic, see http://www.digest.net/bin/digest-subs.cgi >-->or email "unsubscribe offtopic" to majordomo-at-digest.net >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. Suggestions: email in plain text w/o attachments, and trust Jesus. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- The revolt is underway, the penguin is coming... I can hear the slap of his little feet... and the squishing of worms and sco lawyers under them... - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 14:17:18 -0700 From: "Derickam AA" Subject: Re: Running waste oil Hue Would you like to sell the hood? :) I will buy it from you if it will fit on the 82 I am getting. Derick Amburgey Automated Control Specialist Port Of Seattle/SeaTac Airport/Satellite Train System Amateur Radio Callsign: K7DXX List "Mom" of Diesel-Benz reflector 1985 Mercedes 190D "Tuti" 280,000 Mi (36 mpg) 1984 Mercedes 190D "Charity" 160,000 Mi (in rehab) 1981 Volkswagen Caddy 1.6L 66,000 Mi (50 mpg) _________________________________________________________________ Get MSN 8 and help protect your children with advanced parental controls. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/parental ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 16:28:10 -0500 From: "Alec Cordova" Subject: RE: swapping hoods, WAS: Running waste oil Hood from all year W123 sedans and wagons, and probably even coupes, should be fully interchangeable. Alec > > Hue > > Would you like to sell the hood? :) > I will buy it from you if it will fit on the 82 I am getting. > > > > Derick Amburgey ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 16:30:42 -0500 From: "Alec Cordova" Subject: RE: Re[2]: Subject prefix..? Sure we don't want something catchier like [klatta] instead of [double]? ;-) Alec > > the fsj and xj list has it already, > I'll cc Derrick and see if he's ok with adding [dbl] to > the subject (diesel-benz-list) just takes up too much space. ;) > I'm sure he'll be ok with it though... > > john > > > >-->> > I'd like to see a prefix added to all digest relayed emails. > >--> > >-->richard ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #1195 **********************************