From owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Mon Sep 1 09:04:45 2003 From: diesel-benz-digest diesel-benz-digest Monday, September 1 2003 Volume 01 : Number 1200 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: [db] Re: addition to mpg page Re: [db] Anaeis' radiator neck RE: [db] Anaeis' radiator neck Re: [db] Anaeis' radiator neck [db] stereo out... Re: [db] stereo out... Re: [db] stereo out... [db] administrivia: notes on using this list Re: [db] stereo out... Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 16:51:21 -0700 From: john Subject: [db] Re: addition to mpg page interesting... should add my 300d 2.5L td, last tank over 31.5mpg! john At 03:30 PM 8/31/2003, Andreas Kreft wrote: >i! > >just took a look at >http://www.wagoneers.com/DieselBenz/Diesel-Benz-MPG.html... > >if it's still alive, here's what I got on a Sunday tour today.. I had 48,6 >mpg >on a W210 270 CDI T today.. average speed was 'bout 42 mph :-) > >don't know if the values the trip computer shows are imperial or US gallons.. >so here are my metric values: > >worst (German Autobahn :-) 12,5 l/100km >best (veeery gentle driving) 5,6 l/100km >avg (80% stop'n go, 20% really driving) 7,5l/100km > >2000 S210 body, auto transmission, located in Lower Saxony.. but that one >doesn't keep up with the W211 270 CDI my dad had for a test drive this >weekend.. the maximum speed I got was 143 mph :-D > >so long >a. kreft > >-- >FORTUNE PROVIDES QUESTIONS FOR THE GREAT ANSWERS: #15 >A: The Royal Canadian Mounted Police. >Q: What was the greatest achievement in taxidermy? - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... Jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 21:22:53 -0400 From: Robert Chase Subject: Re: [db] Anaeis' radiator neck Hmmm, Say what you will about MB coolant. My 1982 300SD has service records up to about 1996 and had been serviced by MB dealers only most of its life. I inadvertantly had green stuff put in by my mechanic (did not specify I wanted MB coolant) I recently replaced a hose and was really nervous about my radiator neck breaking off because it appeared that I had a very original Behr Radiator in there. The neck was very solid and looked really good. Plastics are really bizzare chemically. They have a high oil content and they loose their oils over time. Have you ever gotten into a cheap Japanese car and noticed a film on the inside of the windshield? Thats the oil escaping from the vinal dashboard and sticking to the window. This happens commonly with a lot of automotive plastic's. Thats partially why cars have "new car scent" that does not seem to go away even when an offensive smell enters the cabin. The plastic's continue to give off their oils and cause the smell overpowering whatever scents are in the cabin. I dont know what is in the MB coolant, however if MB suggests its use it will be the coolant I use in my car. Im not willing to loose a radiator over a slight savings on a cheaper coolant. Mercedes knows the type of plastic that they used for the design and therefore is my vendor of choice for coolant. Im not a chemical engineer but I do know enough about how plastics are formulated to know that the MB coolant thing is probably not just a Marketing ploy. derick wrote: > Why they use plastic I dunno. My upper neck broke too shortly after my > rebuild. I had new hoses, new everything. They just get old an brittle. > > Best price on a new 190d automatic radiator I found is $175.00. I hope the > one for your car is less. > > I have not bought one yet, I stole the one out of the 84 I am rebuilding, > but I will have too sooner or later. > > Good luck, > > Derick ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 19:36:03 -0700 From: "Jeremy Bowne" Subject: RE: [db] Anaeis' radiator neck That's not bad.... for my 80' 450SEL w116, the radiator was retailing at $900. Got it used from the yard for $100 (they let me take it to a radiator shop, whom tested it for free). :) - -----Original Message----- From: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of derick Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2003 1:12 PM To: diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Subject: Re: [db] Anaeis' radiator neck Why they use plastic I dunno. My upper neck broke too shortly after my rebuild. I had new hoses, new everything. They just get old an brittle. Best price on a new 190d automatic radiator I found is $175.00. I hope the one for your car is less. I have not bought one yet, I stole the one out of the 84 I am rebuilding, but I will have too sooner or later. Good luck, Derick ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 23:15:33 -0500 From: Jon Filina Subject: Re: [db] Anaeis' radiator neck Robert wrote: > Hmmm, > > Say what you will about MB coolant. > I dont know what is in the MB coolant, however if MB suggests its use it > will be the coolant I use in my car. I am the one who mentioned, and contested, the claim that the "evil" green stuff results in broken radiator necks. All of the radiators I have heard about that were replaced because of cracked or broken necks were over 15 years old. I am sure many of them had green antifreeze in the system, but many also had other types, including the MB brand. Plastic gets brittle with age and the heat of the coolant is a contributor. As I mentioned, my '81 240D, which had the green stuff in it when the ditz in the SUV ended it's life in 2002, had a perfectly good radiator. It usually showed 80 degrees C when fully warmed up. My '84 300SD runs at 93 degrees C. The radiator was replaced shortly after I got it last year due to a broken neck. I don't remember what antifreeze was in it at the time, but believe it was green. Thats 2 radiators, both about the same age and mileage, with one running cooler than other. The "hotter" one needed to be replaced. Was it because of the coolant type, age or operating temperature. Provided the engine mounts were not bad, putting a strain on the hoses, I'm inclined to put the blame on age and operating temperature before condemning the coolant. For what's it's worth. My 300SD was filled with the MB approved coolant after the radiator swap. I also added some watter wetter. Has it made a difference? Not that I can tell, but I feel better... The MB antifreeze costs much more than conventional coolant ($8 vs. $12, from what I remember) but the difference in cost is minimal. Next spring, when I drain and flush my coolant, I'll use the MB brand if I can get past the dealer. If not, I'll probably use Peak or Zerex. I won't use Prestone. My independent mechanic refuses to use it because he feels it's "stop leak" properties could clog the system. He uses Peak, if I remember correctly. Jon '84 300SD 165,300 mi. "Bruno" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 22:27:58 -0700 From: john Subject: [db] stereo out... the hardest part was getting the center console cupholder out... man that thing was stuck. One screw, wood lifted out. two screws, ash try out... lifted all the wood trim out... looked at the connectors on the radio... where's the antenna??? this is not good... I'll have to run a cable from back to front, argghhh... first the stupid pc setup, now this... :) maybe I'll just pay car toys to do this... :) maybe not... we'll see... :) john - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... Jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2003 01:33:01 -0400 From: Robert Chase Subject: Re: [db] stereo out... Think about it this way. They care a lot less about your car than you do. If your having trouble they will have trouble too. Combining the trouble with their lack of care for your automobile is a not so good thing :) Robert. john wrote: > the hardest part was getting the center console cupholder out... > man that thing was stuck. > > One screw, wood lifted out. two screws, ash try out... lifted > all the wood trim out... > > looked at the connectors on the radio... where's the antenna??? > > this is not good... I'll have to run a cable from back to front, > argghhh... > > first the stupid pc setup, now this... :) maybe I'll just > pay car toys to do this... :) maybe not... we'll see... :) > > john > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ > Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... > Jesus, don't leave life without him, please! > ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 22:35:08 -0700 From: john Subject: Re: [db] stereo out... At 10:33 PM 8/31/2003, Robert Chase wrote: >Think about it this way. They care a lot less about your car than you >do. If your having trouble they will have trouble too. Combining the >trouble with their lack of care for your automobile is a not so good thing :) >Robert. good point... going to get some sleep... will resume pc and stereo efforts sometime after sunup... btw, you're up way past your bedtime... ;) you need your beauty sleep. ;) why am I getting this mental picture with a scene out of the "Omega Man" as I picture you back there in Atlanta... :) john - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... 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What is Krusty Motorsports, anyway? Krusty Motorsports (http:/www.krusty-motorsports.com/) is a business which is owned and operated by Richard Welty (rwelty-at-krusty-motorsports.com). Krusty is an S-Corporation in the State of New York. Krusty provides a number of Internet related services, such as mailing list, web sites, pop3/telnet accounts, and consulting on internet related issues. For more information, see the web site. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2003 01:46:25 -0400 From: Robert Chase Subject: Re: [db] stereo out... john wrote: > At 10:33 PM 8/31/2003, Robert Chase wrote: > >> Think about it this way. They care a lot less about your car than you >> do. If your having trouble they will have trouble too. Combining the >> trouble with their lack of care for your automobile is a not so good >> thing :) >> Robert. > > > good point... going to get some sleep... will resume > pc and stereo efforts sometime after sunup... Always good to start something like that after a good night's sleep. I pulled out my sunroof motor the other day when I woke up and got a wild hair. Came out in a couple of minutes. Probably would have gone faster if I had not been constantly watching my back thinking someone was going to shut the lid of my escape proof S class trunk. > btw, you're up way past your bedtime... ;) you need your beauty sleep. ;) Heh heh... I have been sleeping weird lately...... I seem to get my best sleep in the afternoon :) > why am I getting this mental picture with a scene out of the "Omega Man" > as I picture you back there in Atlanta... :) Hmmm Never seen the movie...... I just read a review on google.... Hmmm Sounds just like Atlanta..... Am I the main character or one of the zombies Speaking of zombie movies have you seen the movie 28days later.... Kinda depressing but kinda good at the same time.... Robert ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #1200 **********************************