From owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Thu Sep 4 12:55:04 2003 From: diesel-benz-digest diesel-benz-digest Thursday, September 4 2003 Volume 01 : Number 1205 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: [db] standing water [db] standing water 2 Re: [db] standing water RE: [db] standing water [db] seal test? Re: [db] standing water Re: [db] standing water 2 [db] Two free pit passes for Formula 1 Thurs Sept 25, 8am-noon Re: [db] standing water 2 Re: [db] standing water 2 Re: [db] seal test? Re: [db] seal test? Re: [db] standing water RE: [db] standing water [db] Swapping handles on a 126 Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 09:25:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Anaeis N Subject: [db] standing water So....... Thank you all for your kind comments and suggestions. Last night I entered the the 300CD records by service category into a spreadsheet, and now I have a nice list of what was done to the car and when, without entirely understanding the meaning of it. That will come in time. I washed, vacuumed and de-linted, all set for a trip to the mechanic to see about the radiator and the oil leak, all prepared with my list of suggestions from you guys. And then this morning, when I pulled up the floor mats to vacuum around the edges, I saw the standing water under the mat in the back seat, driver's side! It's been raining here since Friday. So, one more thing to consider. The water's confined entirely to the driver's side of the car. In the backseat it's standing water under the mat, leaving the mat soggy, but not covering the mat. It's like that underneath the driver's seat, too. In the front compartment is it just a little moist under the mat -- nothing like the degree of wetness in the back. It's been raining here since Friday. When I opened the car doors this morning, water that had been trapped in the door frame came out, but I couldn't find any moisture on the seats or the top of the carpet. I have had a problem in the past with water dripping on my left foot near the parking brake while driving in the rain, but the mechanic attributed that to clogged sunroof drains. Is this new puddle from a different cause? After evacuation, will I need to do something to prevent rust in the area with the standing water? And will most diesel Benz mechanics be proficient in the leakage arena? thanks again, R Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 09:32:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Anaeis N Subject: [db] standing water 2 And one more question, if I may..... Would it save me money to remove the water myself with a Shop Vac (which I happen to have), or does the puddle need to be there to show the mechanic the severity of where it's coming from? R Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2003 09:58:28 -0700 From: Eric Ditwiler Subject: Re: [db] standing water Most likely your rear window seal. Black permatex will get you through a storm or two but replacing the rubber is the preferred long term solution. Mine pools in the passenger side rear foot well. On Wednesday, September 3, 2003, at 09:25 AM, Anaeis N wrote: > So....... > > Thank you all for your kind comments and suggestions. > > Last night I entered the the 300CD records by service category into a > spreadsheet, and now I have a nice list of what was done to the car > and when, without entirely understanding the meaning of it. That will > come in time. > > I washed, vacuumed and de-linted, all set for a trip to the mechanic > to see about the radiator and the oil leak, all prepared with my list > of suggestions from you guys. And then this morning, when I pulled up > the floor mats to vacuum around the edges, I saw the standing water > under the mat in the back seat, driver's side! It's been raining here > since Friday. So, one more thing to consider. > > The water's confined entirely to the driver's side of the car. In the > backseat it's standing water under the mat, leaving the mat soggy, but > not covering the mat. It's like that underneath the driver's seat, > too. In the front compartment is it just a little moist under the mat > -- nothing like the degree of wetness in the back. It's been raining > here since Friday. When I opened the car doors this morning, water > that had been trapped in the door frame came out, but I couldn't find > any moisture on the seats or the top of the carpet. I have had a > problem in the past with water dripping on my left foot near the > parking brake while driving in the rain, but the mechanic attributed > that to clogged sunroof drains. Is this new puddle from a different > cause? After evacuation, will I need to do something to prevent rust > in the area with the standing water? And will most diesel Benz > mechanics be proficient in the leakage arena? > > thanks again, > R > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 13:20:07 -0400 From: "Aimino, Michael" Subject: RE: [db] standing water Not to muddy the waters, as it were, but my 300D had this problem due to a combination of things. 1) bad windshield seal - water leaked under the dash, then ran down to the back seat foot well. 2) hole in DS rocker panel and floorboard, allowing water in and then running back to back seat foot well. 3) lousy welding job on repair panels in back seat foot well - you'd think the holes would've let more of the water *out*. YMMV. - -----Original Message----- From: Anaeis N [mailto:anaeisn-at-yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2003 12:26 PM To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net Subject: [db] standing water So....... Thank you all for your kind comments and suggestions. Last night I entered the the 300CD records by service category into a spreadsheet, and now I have a nice list of what was done to the car and when, without entirely understanding the meaning of it. That will come in time. I washed, vacuumed and de-linted, all set for a trip to the mechanic to see about the radiator and the oil leak, all prepared with my list of suggestions from you guys. And then this morning, when I pulled up the floor mats to vacuum around the edges, I saw the standing water under the mat in the back seat, driver's side! It's been raining here since Friday. So, one more thing to consider. The water's confined entirely to the driver's side of the car. In the backseat it's standing water under the mat, leaving the mat soggy, but not covering the mat. It's like that underneath the driver's seat, too. In the front compartment is it just a little moist under the mat -- nothing like the degree of wetness in the back. It's been raining here since Friday. When I opened the car doors this morning, water that had been trapped in the door frame came out, but I couldn't find any moisture on the seats or the top of the carpet. I have had a problem in the past with water dripping on my left foot near the parking brake while driving in the rain, but the mechanic attributed that to clogged sunroof drains. Is this new puddle from a different cause? After evacuation, will I need to do something to prevent rust in the area with the standing water? And will most diesel Benz mechanics be proficient in the leakage arena? thanks again, R Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 11:14:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Anaeis N Subject: [db] seal test? Is there an official test to determine which window/windshield seals are bad? R Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 14:15:14 -0400 From: "Eurowerks" Subject: Re: [db] standing water I would bet on the front windshield more than the back. If you look very closely at the inside of the seal (from inside the car), I will bet that you will see a trace of water running down behind the dash and under the front floormats, and then following the nifty little channel that they put in there and then filling the rear floorboard. Go to your local glass installer and get the Varathane that they use. Get a screwdriver or other similar tool and gently pull the seal away from the glass and follow it with the sealer. You will not leak again, and no new seal required. I have done this with success many, many times. Good luck and happy motoring! :) Kirk A. Gilchrist EURO-WERKS / Mercedes-Benz, BMW, Volvo Service and Repair 8 South Highland St. / Winchester, KY 40391 / 859-745-0125 eurowerks-at-qx.net / 888-522-0271 toll free ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 11:59:22 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] standing water 2 could be the drain in the floor clogged... telling them mechanic where it's wet will suffice... sunroof drain or a bad window seal from the sounds. john On Wed, 3 Sep 2003, Anaeis N wrote: >-->And one more question, if I may..... >--> >-->Would it save me money to remove the water myself with a Shop Vac (which I happen to have), or does the puddle need to be there to show the mechanic the severity of where it's coming from? >--> >-->R >-->Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. Suggestions: email in plain text w/o attachments, and trust Jesus. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- The revolt is underway, the penguin is coming... I can hear the slap of his little feet... and the squishing of worms and sco lawyers under them... - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2003 15:53:29 -0500 From: "Chuck Galloway" Subject: [db] Two free pit passes for Formula 1 Thurs Sept 25, 8am-noon I have 2 passes to the pit walkabout Thursday Sept 25 free to anyone that can use them. They are only good for Thursday morning - 8am-noon. If you already have race day tickets you should get yours in the mail. The description of the event follows: "Race day ticket holders for the 2003 United States Grand Prix can get an up-close look at one of the most exclusive places in motorsports ^V the Formula One pits ^V during a pit walkabout Thursday, Sept. 25 at the Indianapolis Motor Speedway. The walkabout takes place from 8 a.m.-noon (EST, Indy time) and is available for free to all ticket holders for the 2003 United States Grand Prix. This is one of the very few fan walkabouts available on the 16-event, global F1 schedule in 2003." "Fans can walk the pits and stand adjacent to the open garages, providing a clear view of the sleek cars, high-tech equipment and skilled personnel of all 10 Formula One teams, including current standouts Scuderia Ferrari Marlboro, BMW WilliamsF1 and West McLaren Mercedes. Those three teams will continue their intense chase for Drivers and Constructors Championships during the fourth annual Formula One race on the 2.606-mile road circuit at the Indianapolis Motor Speedway. While no formal driver appearances are scheduled during the walkabout, F1 drivers have been in the garages and signed autographs during walkabouts at other Grand Prix venues. Still and video photography will be allowed during the walkabout" Chuck Galloway '87 300SDL '92 300E _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8: Get 6 months for $9.95/month. http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2003 17:02:58 -0700 From: john Subject: Re: [db] standing water 2 At 12:03 PM 9/3/2003, Andrew_Strasfogel-at-blm.gov wrote: >Floor drain is where? I have the same problem when opening the rear LS >door in my 300TD 123 wagon - the water dams up there in the frame area and >I can't figure out why. SR drains and front windshield seal are both fine. >The soggy saga continues... there are little rubber plugs with slits cut in them, take a look in the trunk wells, pull the plastic out and you'll see 'em on the bottom, they silt up, get dirt and stuff in them and then water sits and causes mold in Washington, rust every where else. ;) I believe, and I'm not 100% certain, that there are similar drain plugs in the floors of the sedans, it seems to me both my 123 and 126 had them. Look from underneath and you'll see them at the low point. Take an old popsicle stick, hey, splurge, use a new one, and poke through them and fish out the stuff from underneath, recommend not beind directly underneath though. ;) Then fix the source of the leaks. A slathering of clear silicon has a touch of class, at least over the duct tape we usually use on Full Size Jeeps. :) later, john > > > john > > > om> cc: > diesel-benz-at-digest.net > Sent by: Subject: Re: [db] > standing water 2 > owner-diesel-benz > > -at-digest.net > > > > > > 09/03/03 02:59 > PM > > > > > > > > >could be the drain in the floor clogged... telling >them mechanic where it's wet will suffice... >sunroof drain or a bad window seal from the sounds. >john > >On Wed, 3 Sep 2003, Anaeis N wrote: > > >-->And one more question, if I may..... > >--> > >-->Would it save me money to remove the water myself with a Shop Vac >(which I happen to have), or does the puddle need to be there to show the >mechanic the severity of where it's coming from? > >--> > >-->R > >-->Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software > >--> > > ---- > >------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** > Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. > Suggestions: email in plain text w/o attachments, and trust Jesus. >------------------------------------------------------------------------- >The revolt is underway, > the penguin is coming... > I can hear the slap of his little feet... > and the squishing of worms and sco lawyers under them... >------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... Jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2003 23:53:50 -0400 From: Robert Chase Subject: Re: [db] standing water 2 Hey there, My brother's 300D has a leak from a rusted batter tray...... You can pull the water out with a shop vac.... More than likely your leak is due to a front windsheild seal....... Its a common issue on these cars....... Robert Chase Anaeis N wrote: > And one more question, if I may..... > > Would it save me money to remove the water myself with a Shop Vac (which I happen to have), or does the puddle need to be there to show the mechanic the severity of where it's coming from? > > R > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2003 23:58:20 -0400 From: Robert Chase Subject: Re: [db] seal test? Sort of.... Put on an Armani Suit and drive through 5 or 6 automatic car washes. If your suit is ruined you also need a new windsheld seal :) Robert Chase Anaeis N wrote: > Is there an official test to determine which window/windshield seals are bad? > > R > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2003 21:18:05 -0700 From: john Subject: Re: [db] seal test? At 08:58 PM 9/3/2003, Robert Chase wrote: >Sort of.... >Put on an Armani Suit and drive through 5 or 6 automatic car washes. If >your suit is ruined you also need a new windsheld seal :) >Robert Chase recommend Vivaldi during the test, 4 seasons would be appropriate... :) john - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... Jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 06:21:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Jerome Kaidor Subject: Re: [db] standing water Anaeis N wrote: > > suggestions from you guys. And then this morning, when I pulled up the > floor mats to vacuum around the edges, I saw the standing water under the > mat in the back seat, driver's side! It's been raining here since Friday. > So, one more thing to consider. > > the top of the carpet. I have had a problem in the past with water > dripping on my left foot near the parking brake while driving in the rain, *** I had exactly the same problem earlier this year. It turned out to be a bad windshield seal. I fixed it with Permatex windshield sealer. This is a low-viscosity silicone that wicks into leaky seals. My windshield was leaking at the lower left corner. - Jerry Kaidor ( jerry-at-tr2.com ) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 10:02:42 -0400 From: "Aimino, Michael" Subject: RE: [db] standing water One thing that I learned about silicone & urethane - they won't stick to each other. If the seal was previously treated with urethane, then silicone won't work. If treated with silicone, urethane won't work. - -----Original Message----- From: Jerome Kaidor [mailto:jerry-at-tr2.com] Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 9:21 AM To: Anaeis N Cc: diesel-benz-at-digest.net Subject: Re: [db] standing water Anaeis N wrote: > > suggestions from you guys. And then this morning, when I pulled up the > floor mats to vacuum around the edges, I saw the standing water under the > mat in the back seat, driver's side! It's been raining here since Friday. > So, one more thing to consider. > > the top of the carpet. I have had a problem in the past with water > dripping on my left foot near the parking brake while driving in the rain, *** I had exactly the same problem earlier this year. It turned out to be a bad windshield seal. I fixed it with Permatex windshield sealer. This is a low-viscosity silicone that wicks into leaky seals. My windshield was leaking at the lower left corner. - Jerry Kaidor ( jerry-at-tr2.com ) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 14:24:47 -0500 From: "Black, Waylon" Subject: [db] Swapping handles on a 126 Well the wife did not get the door completly closed and tried to lock the door. Of course, it wouldn't lock so she tried to force it. This 'twisted' the lock in the handle so that it cannot be unlocked or locked - very annoying. I went to swap handles from side to side but cannot get the drivers side to come out. Does it require removal of the interior panel? Thanks, Waylon ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #1205 **********************************