From owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Mon Oct 6 12:07:24 2003 From: diesel-benz-digest diesel-benz-digest Monday, October 6 2003 Volume 01 : Number 1239 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: [db] BFG Traction T/As Re[2]: [db] BFG Traction T/As Re: [db] BFG Traction T/As RE: [db] BFG Traction T/As [db] saturday adventure Re: [db] saturday adventure Re: [db] saturday adventure Re: [db] saturday adventure Re: [db] saturday adventure Re: [db] saturday adventure [db] Turbo Rebuild [db] a sad sight... Re: [db] saturday adventure Re: [db] saturday adventure Re: [db] saturday adventure Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. 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In Washington? :) >> >>Actually, I really like washington. Perhaps even more after writing a >> >> >check > > >>to fund communism conveniently disguised as a triple tax on vehicle >>registrations. :-/ When's that recall election? :) >> >>K >> >>-- >>Kevin Pekarek >>Redwood City, CA (near San Francisco) and >>Los Osos, CA (near San Luis Obispo) >>85 190D (601, 5spd) >> >> > > > - -- - ----------------------------- Oh well, I'm a man, but I can change, if I have to, I guess -Red Green http://www.redgreen.com/ - ------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... Jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 16:56:20 -0400 (EDT) From: Richard Welty Subject: Re[2]: [db] BFG Traction T/As On Sun, 05 Oct 2003 13:31:21 -0700 john meister wrote: > oh come on now... isn't it a lot of fun and enteraining? > the rest of us are waiting to see the glorious outcome... with any > good fortune > the terminator will win, repeal all the lunatic liberal laws and freedom > will be restored > to the people's republic. :) if they don't find a way to can the entire proposition system and get rid of proposition 13, they can't fix california and it doesn't matter who the governator is. structurally, california state governemnt is just plain broken and it doesn't matter if they "throw the bastards out" every week for the next century. it's going to take unpopular methods to fix california, and no governer at the risk of a recall will take the necessary steps. but they do have diesel benzes in california so that's a good thing (it's a stretch, but i needed to get some relevant content in somehow.) richard - -- Richard Welty rwelty-at-suespammers.org Averill Park Networking rwelty-at-averillpark.net Unix, Linux, IP Network Engineering, Security rwelty-at-krusty-motorsports.com 518-573-7592 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2003 14:07:54 -0700 From: john meister Subject: Re: [db] BFG Traction T/As proposition 13 is pretty amazing, my aunt and uncle pay very little for property tax... folks in CA pay less to register their Diesel Benz then we do up here... (I think), unless our equivalent "prop 13", the $35 license tabs (which still run me about $90/yr) dropped our fees below CA. I couldn't afford to own anything newer then 15 years old otherwise... even my '81 300D cost me nearly $300/yr to put tabs on before!!! Folks were paying thousands every year to license their cars... fuel taxes are insane up here as well... CA ain't the only place that's broken... it's just the most visible right now... :( john Richard Welty wrote: >On Sun, 05 Oct 2003 13:31:21 -0700 john meister wrote: > > >>oh come on now... isn't it a lot of fun and enteraining? >> >> > > > >>the rest of us are waiting to see the glorious outcome... with any >>good fortune >>the terminator will win, repeal all the lunatic liberal laws and freedom >>will be restored >>to the people's republic. :) >> >> > >if they don't find a way to can the entire proposition system and get rid >of proposition 13, they can't fix california and it doesn't matter who the >governator is. > >structurally, california state governemnt is just plain broken and it >doesn't matter if they "throw the bastards out" every week for the next >century. it's going to take unpopular methods to fix california, and no >governer at the risk of a recall will take the necessary steps. > >but they do have diesel benzes in california so that's a good thing (it's a >stretch, but i needed to get some relevant content in somehow.) > >richard > > - -- - ----------------------------- Oh well, I'm a man, but I can change, if I have to, I guess -Red Green http://www.redgreen.com/ - ------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... Jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 16:13:04 -0500 From: "Sam Williams" <1sam-at-io.com> Subject: RE: [db] BFG Traction T/As This is probably not the ideal forum for politics. Please stop. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of john meister Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2003 3:31 PM To: Paul Schwartz Cc: dbl Subject: Re: [db] BFG Traction T/As :) oh come on now... isn't it a lot of fun and enteraining? the rest of us are waiting to see the glorious outcome... with any good fortune the terminator will win, repeal all the lunatic liberal laws and freedom will be restored to the people's republic. :) john Paul Schwartz wrote: >Please Lord, let the recall be over soon! > >Paul > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Kevin Pekarek" >To: "john meister" >Cc: "dbl" >Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 10:32 PM >Subject: Re: [db] BFG Traction T/As > > > > >>On Fri, Oct 03, 2003 at 10:16:19PM -0700, john meister wrote: >> >> >>>I think these tires will work well on wet roads... will know for sure in >>>a couple of days. :) >>> >>> >>You have to wait a couple of days for rain? In Washington? :) >> >>Actually, I really like washington. Perhaps even more after writing a >> >> >check > > >>to fund communism conveniently disguised as a triple tax on vehicle >>registrations. :-/ When's that recall election? :) >> >>K >> >>-- >>Kevin Pekarek >>Redwood City, CA (near San Francisco) and >>Los Osos, CA (near San Luis Obispo) >>85 190D (601, 5spd) >> >> > > > - -- - ----------------------------- Oh well, I'm a man, but I can change, if I have to, I guess -Red Green http://www.redgreen.com/ - ------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... Jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2003 20:41:03 -0700 From: john meister Subject: [db] saturday adventure topped off the tank... 32 mpg... drove around the Olympic Peninsula yesterday... wife totally hates these seats... I think when my J10 is finished the Benz will be too... ;) the seats really hurt her back... :( will put up a few pix of the adventure later, john - -- - ----------------------------- Oh well, I'm a man, but I can change, if I have to, I guess -Red Green http://www.redgreen.com/ - ------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... Jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2003 23:52:39 -0400 From: Mike Frank Subject: Re: [db] saturday adventure Hey. I can top that. We took the 190DT down to my niece's wedding in West Virginia this weekend. It was great driving the Diesel for 1200 miles! The car performed beautifully...and we got 37mpg! Mike Frank At 11:41 PM 10/5/2003, john meister wrote: >topped off the tank... 32 mpg... drove around the Olympic Peninsula >yesterday... ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2003 21:25:26 -0700 From: john meister Subject: Re: [db] saturday adventure yeah, but do you have pictures? :) http://www.wagoneers.com/FOTOS/2003/Oct-4-OlympicPeninsula/ http://www.wagoneers.com/FOTOS/2003/Oct-4-OlympicPeninsula/ALL-photos.html john Mike Frank wrote: > Hey. I can top that. We took the 190DT down to my niece's wedding in > West Virginia this weekend. It was great driving the Diesel for 1200 > miles! The car performed beautifully...and we got 37mpg! > > Mike Frank > > At 11:41 PM 10/5/2003, john meister wrote: > >> topped off the tank... 32 mpg... drove around the Olympic Peninsula >> yesterday... > > - -- - ----------------------------- Oh well, I'm a man, but I can change, if I have to, I guess -Red Green http://www.redgreen.com/ - ------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... Jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 10:58:55 -0400 From: "Jim Hoffman" Subject: Re: [db] saturday adventure Yeah... I was thinking the same thing... Any pics of that 190DT?? Jim/ > yeah, but do you have pictures? :) > > http://www.wagoneers.com/FOTOS/2003/Oct-4-OlympicPeninsula/ > http://www.wagoneers.com/FOTOS/2003/Oct-4-OlympicPeninsula/ALL-photos.html > > john > > Mike Frank wrote: > > > Hey. I can top that. We took the 190DT down to my niece's wedding in > > West Virginia this weekend. It was great driving the Diesel for 1200 > > miles! The car performed beautifully...and we got 37mpg! > > > > Mike Frank > > > > At 11:41 PM 10/5/2003, john meister wrote: > > > >> topped off the tank... 32 mpg... drove around the Olympic Peninsula > >> yesterday... > > > > > > -- > ----------------------------- > Oh well, > I'm a man, > but I can change, > if I have to, > I guess > -Red Green http://www.redgreen.com/ > ------------------------------ > http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ > Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... > Jesus, don't leave life without him, please! > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > - -- Jim Hoffman Oconomowoc WI '39 Allis Model B '53 Ford Golden Jubilee '?? Bolens Huskie Gardener ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 10:08:16 CDT From: acordova-at-texas.net Subject: Re: [db] saturday adventure > topped off the tank... 32 mpg... drove around the Olympic Peninsula > yesterday... > > wife totally hates these seats... I think when my J10 is finished the > Benz will be too... ;) > the seats really hurt her back... :( > > will put up a few pix of the adventure later, > john > The seats hurt her back??!??!??! The only seats I ever enjoyed as much as Benz seats of almost any vintage were the ones in our early 70's Volvo 145. Now that my wife has the Ford Expedition, she has said many times that she misses the Mercedes seats, and that the Ford seats make her back sore. Maybe your wife just needs to tinker with the seat bottom angle. That can make a great difference. But she needs to give the seats at least one more try, preferably with a long trip, which is where they really shine. Or there is something terribly wrong with the seats in your car. Alec ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 11:07:36 -0400 From: Mike Frank Subject: Re: [db] saturday adventure No, but I could snap a few.... Mike Frank At 10:58 AM 10/6/2003, Jim Hoffman wrote: >Yeah... I was thinking the same thing... Any pics of that 190DT?? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 11:46:58 -0400 From: "FredP" Subject: [db] Turbo Rebuild The turbo in my '91 w124 300d needs the seals replaced, it is blowing oil into the intake. I plan to have the bearings replaced at the same time. I will pull the turbo and bring it or mail it to the repair shop. Has anyone found a good (i.e.. reasonably priced, high quality) repair shop to do this? Thanks in advance - FredP ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 15:58:48 GMT From: mjmason-at-juno.com Subject: [db] a sad sight... Driving back to Chicagoland last night, just east of the Michigan/Indiana border, on I-94... a W123 300D (that famous beige, and looked like probably a '79, judging by the white fog light reflectors), abandoned at the roadside. Looked like some of the exterior floorboard sheet metal had come undone and was hanging down the ground, and the back end had the telltale signs of a diesel with serious oil blowback. Not sure if the troopers up there do the "we tag it, then we tow it" thing that we do in Illinois, but the license plates had been removed. Didn't have my computer (w/past digests) with me, or I'd have tried to call Jim Steere's shop - it needed a good home. :) Matt in IL ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 09:53:08 -0700 From: Kevin Pekarek Subject: Re: [db] saturday adventure On Mon, Oct 06, 2003 at 10:08:16AM -0500, acordova-at-texas.net wrote: > The seats hurt her back??!??!??! >From what I remember, she has a really bad back, and for whatever reason, the WJ seats just seemed to fit her perfect. The odd thing is I've ridden in a WJ or two before, and still can't figure out how it's working for her. But whatever, it works for her, and you gotta do what works best, I guess. I actually have to drive my 190D with a wrist brace because the angle of the stick shift and the way the shifter is flares up my carpal tunnel in traffic. Still a fun car, and I love driving it, but after driving it in traffic, then sitting at a keyboard all day, bad things happen. And no, the garbage truck shifter in the 74 cherokee doesn't bother it one bit, neither do the eagle wagons. *shrug* K - -- Kevin Pekarek Redwood City, CA (near San Francisco) and Los Osos, CA (near San Luis Obispo) 85 190D (601, 5spd) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 13:55:08 -0400 From: Robert Chase Subject: Re: [db] saturday adventure Heh heh, The best seats in the world are those found in the Volvo S70. Unfortunatly the car they built around them sucks. I drove to Nashville from Atlanta once and had a friend with me. We drove non stop and were astonished that we were there because it seemed like such a short trip. There are LOTS of junked S70's around. You could always find one in a junk yard and swap them out. They would match "reasonably well" if you modified the tracks to fit the existing holes. Although dunno if a 124 would be big enough for S70 seats. S40 seats are similar but smaller. Robert Chase acordova-at-texas.net wrote: >>topped off the tank... 32 mpg... drove around the Olympic Peninsula >>yesterday... >> >>wife totally hates these seats... I think when my J10 is finished the >>Benz will be too... ;) >>the seats really hurt her back... :( >> >>will put up a few pix of the adventure later, >>john >> > > > The seats hurt her back??!??!??! > > The only seats I ever enjoyed as much as Benz seats of almost any vintage were > the ones in our early 70's Volvo 145. > > Now that my wife has the Ford Expedition, she has said many times that she > misses the Mercedes seats, and that the Ford seats make her back sore. > > Maybe your wife just needs to tinker with the seat bottom angle. That can make > a great difference. But she needs to give the seats at least one more try, > preferably with a long trip, which is where they really shine. > > Or there is something terribly wrong with the seats in your car. > > Alec ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 14:10:49 -0400 From: "J.B. Hebert" Subject: Re: [db] saturday adventure I'll agree that I have never sat is a bad Volvo seat, from my dad's '72 1800E to my friend's C70. They do some things very well. However, I find Mercedes seats, at least in the older cars, to be every bit as comfortable. There's something to be said for building a car seat like a good piece of furniture. J.B. At 01:55 PM 10/6/2003 -0400, you wrote: >Heh heh, > >The best seats in the world are those found in the Volvo S70. Unfortunatly >the car they built around them sucks. I drove to Nashville from Atlanta >once and had a friend with me. We drove non stop and were astonished that >we were there because it seemed like such a short trip. > >There are LOTS of junked S70's around. You could always find one in a >junk yard and swap them out. They would match "reasonably well" if you >modified the tracks to fit the existing holes. > >Although dunno if a 124 would be big enough for S70 seats. S40 seats are >similar but smaller. > >Robert Chase > > >acordova-at-texas.net wrote: > >>>topped off the tank... 32 mpg... drove around the Olympic Peninsula >>>yesterday... >>> >>>wife totally hates these seats... I think when my J10 is finished the >>>Benz will be too... ;) >>>the seats really hurt her back... :( >>> >>>will put up a few pix of the adventure later, >>>john >> >>The seats hurt her back??!??!??! >>The only seats I ever enjoyed as much as Benz seats of almost any vintage >>were the ones in our early 70's Volvo 145. >>Now that my wife has the Ford Expedition, she has said many times that >>she misses the Mercedes seats, and that the Ford seats make her back sore. >>Maybe your wife just needs to tinker with the seat bottom angle. That can >>make a great difference. But she needs to give the seats at least one >>more try, preferably with a long trip, which is where they really shine. >>Or there is something terribly wrong with the seats in your car. >>Alec ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #1239 **********************************