From owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Tue Oct 14 11:39:47 2003 From: diesel-benz-digest diesel-benz-digest Tuesday, October 14 2003 Volume 01 : Number 1247 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: [db] W123 Vacuum Problems Re: [db] '85 300 SD [db] Re: sunroof deflector [db] '84 300 TD engine/trans for sale - 142k - SoCal [db] '84 300D fuse box Re: [db] '84 300D fuse box Re: [db] '84 300D fuse box Re: [db] '84 300D fuse box [db] Fuses Re: [db] Fuses Re: [db] Fuses Re: [db] '84 300D fuse box Re: [db] Fuses Re: [db] Fuses Re: [db] Fuses Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 15:14:42 -0700 (PDT) From: "R.A. Carfrae" Subject: [db] W123 Vacuum Problems Hi all, My question: is there one single point of vacuum that goes to the climate control system that I can isolate and /or block off to help trace down the leak? Also, on top of the injection pump is a 'bell' about 1.5" in diameter with a small metal tube coming off of it. It looks like there should be some sort of vacuum tube connected to this thing. Background to follow. I have an '80 300D with a motor that's getting hard to shut down without pushing the old manual shut-off lever under the bonnet-- in fact it won't shut of at all. I sense this to be a vacuum problem, and started checking hoses and tubes yesterday without finding much of anything. I did notice that with the key in the off position, and the motor still running, I have about 20" of vacuum; apparently not enough to shut the motor down. Once the motor is shut down, there is definitely a leak somewhere, because the system won't hold any vacuum at all. Additionally, the climate control system doesn't work due to a bad servo, so I would like to block the vacuum to this system. Thanks for your help, Alex '80 MBZ 300d Diesel 276,000+ miles __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 14:56:00 -0700 From: Kevin Pekarek Subject: Re: [db] '85 300 SD On Sun, Oct 12, 2003 at 09:56:25PM -0700, Photo Bug wrote: > I have an '85 300 SD with about 185 K miles. I overdid about a year ago and > fell asleep going about 30 mph. I smacked two cars and messed up the front > end and the passenger side. It has 4 Michelin tires that have about 200 miles > on them. Two were messed up in the wreck and have never been driven on. I > was going to fix it, but too much to do and too little time to do it. This > needs to be someone else's project. It will start and move, but needs a > radiator and fan. I'll send pix to any and all that are interested. I'd like > someone in our group to have it. I have no reserve price. Email me if your > interested. > > Thanks! > Tom Norris > photobug-at-netnitco.net Okay, where is it? K - -- Kevin Pekarek Redwood City, CA (near San Francisco) and Los Osos, CA (near San Luis Obispo) 85 190D (601, 5spd) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 17:30:40 -0700 From: john Subject: [db] Re: sunroof deflector that's the one... :) turns out it was too big for the 201 and 124... (not sure I've tried it on the 124 now... but that's ok, the 124 flips up in the back so I can open without wind buffeting anyway... this really needs to go on a 123/300D sedan. :) john At 02:48 PM 10/13/2003, diesel-benz-digest wrote: >Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 14:47:26 -0700 >From: Kevin Pekarek >Subject: Re: [db] sunroof deflector & Air Filter for 123 series > >On Sun, Oct 12, 2003 at 05:47:16PM -0700, john meister wrote: > > I picked up a sunroof deflector thinking it would fit my Benz, but > > nope... it's too big... > >This was a pretty cool deflector, if it was the one you bought when you and >I went to aurora to get my transmission. it had little flaps at the top of it >for redeflecting, and had a pretty dark tint to get rid of that five o'clock >glare that you washingtonians don't have to deal with. anyone elsewhere caught >driving west around that time with the sunroof open knows what I am talking >about. > >Anyways, it's a cool unit and was in great shape. He got it off a w123 300DT >that was in his favorite color - about the color you get if you mix dijon >mustard, yellow mustard, and mayonnaise in equal parts :) > >K - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... Jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 20:35:00 -0700 (PDT) From: "R.A. Carfrae" Subject: [db] '84 300 TD engine/trans for sale - 142k - SoCal I have a neighbor with a complete engine and trans assembly from an '84 300 turbo diesel. He says the car it's from had 142,000 miles and ran like a singer before the car got wrapped around a tree. Appears to be no damage to engine or trnsmission. Includes a/c componets and injector pump, and I think, alternator, and pretty much anything else bolted to the engine or transmission. Make me an offer and I'll forward it to him. Located in Ventura, Calif. (1-hour from west Los Angeles). Alex __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 08:23:57 -0400 From: "McCormick, George" Subject: [db] '84 300D fuse box First, thanks to the members of this list. I recently bought an '84 300D and had the right headlight go out. Following up on what I had read I twisted the fuses until I found the one that let the headlight come back on. The problem I face is that I am missing the fuse box cover. Can anyone give me a or tell me where to find a chart of the fuses and their functions? Thanks, George George McCormick Fayette County Public Schools 701 E. Main St. Lexington, KY 40502 859-381-4245 Re-cycle yourself, be an organ donor. If you don't have the data, all you really have is an opinion This student or staff email originated from Fayette County Public Schools in Lexington, KY. Please report instances of abuse or inappropriate content to postmaster-at-fayette.k12.ky.us ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 08:48:46 -0400 From: Robert Chase Subject: Re: [db] '84 300D fuse box George, It might be best to get a fusebox cover for your fusebox. Moisture is not the friend of the open air fuses found in these cars. Im pretty sure if you found one used at a wrecking yard it would have the paper card inside the door as well. Robert Chase McCormick, George wrote: > First, thanks to the members of this list. I recently bought an '84 300D and > had the right headlight go out. Following up on what I had read I twisted > the fuses until I found the one that let the headlight come back on. The > problem I face is that I am missing the fuse box cover. Can anyone give me a > or tell me where to find a chart of the fuses and their functions? > > Thanks, > George > > > > George McCormick > Fayette County Public Schools > 701 E. Main St. > Lexington, KY 40502 > 859-381-4245 > > Re-cycle yourself, be an organ donor. > > If you don't have the data, > all you really have is an opinion > > > This student or staff email originated from Fayette County Public Schools in > Lexington, KY. > Please report instances of abuse or inappropriate content to > postmaster-at-fayette.k12.ky.us ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 10:11:35 -0400 From: "Jim Hoffman" Subject: Re: [db] '84 300D fuse box That was my first thought as well. I HAVE a cover and would routinely have to *spin* the fuses as they would get corroded. There are replacement fuses that apparently work much better but I never took the time to investigate. As I understand it, the strip on the fuse is a different element than the holder itself and they corrode quickly. Just my $.02... Jim/ '83 240D > George, > > It might be best to get a fusebox cover for your fusebox. Moisture is > not the friend of the open air fuses found in these cars. Im pretty > sure if you found one used at a wrecking yard it would have the paper > card inside the door as well. > > Robert Chase > > > McCormick, George wrote: > > > First, thanks to the members of this list. I recently bought an '84 300D and > > had the right headlight go out. Following up on what I had read I twisted > > the fuses until I found the one that let the headlight come back on. The > > problem I face is that I am missing the fuse box cover. Can anyone give me a > > or tell me where to find a chart of the fuses and their functions? > > > > Thanks, > > George > > > > > > > > George McCormick > > Fayette County Public Schools > > 701 E. Main St. > > Lexington, KY 40502 > > 859-381-4245 > > > > Re-cycle yourself, be an organ donor. > > > > If you don't have the data, > > all you really have is an opinion > > > > > > This student or staff email originated from Fayette County Public Schools in > > Lexington, KY. > > Please report instances of abuse or inappropriate content to > > postmaster-at-fayette.k12.ky.us > - -- Jim Hoffman Oconomowoc WI '39 Allis Model B '53 Ford Golden Jubilee '?? Bolens Huskie Gardener ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 10:35:10 -0400 From: Robert Chase Subject: Re: [db] '84 300D fuse box Yep, I tried the glass fuses and found them incompatible with the MB electrical system. They work but blow easily. When I redid the fuse box with the new style fuses I have yet to have a problem. Robert Chase Jim Hoffman wrote: > That was my first thought as well. I HAVE a cover and would routinely > have to *spin* the fuses as they would get corroded. There are > replacement fuses that apparently work much better but I never took > the time to investigate. As I understand it, the strip on the fuse > is a different element than the holder itself and they corrode quickly. > > Just my $.02... > > Jim/ > > '83 240D > > >>George, >> >>It might be best to get a fusebox cover for your fusebox. Moisture is >>not the friend of the open air fuses found in these cars. Im pretty >>sure if you found one used at a wrecking yard it would have the paper >>card inside the door as well. >> >>Robert Chase >> >> >>McCormick, George wrote: >> >> >>>First, thanks to the members of this list. I recently bought an '84 > > 300D and > >>>had the right headlight go out. Following up on what I had read I > > twisted > >>>the fuses until I found the one that let the headlight come back on. The >>>problem I face is that I am missing the fuse box cover. Can anyone > > give me a > >>>or tell me where to find a chart of the fuses and their functions? >>> >>>Thanks, >>> George >>> >>> >>> >>>George McCormick >>>Fayette County Public Schools >>>701 E. Main St. >>>Lexington, KY 40502 >>>859-381-4245 >>> >>>Re-cycle yourself, be an organ donor. >>> >>>If you don't have the data, >>> all you really have is an opinion >>> >>> >>>This student or staff email originated from Fayette County Public > > Schools in > >>>Lexington, KY. >>>Please report instances of abuse or inappropriate content to >>>postmaster-at-fayette.k12.ky.us ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 11:21:24 -0400 From: Paul Brown Subject: [db] Fuses Contacts in the fuse box are brass. Cheap fuses are aluminum. Aluminum/brass interface is always going to corrode. (Houses with aluminum wiring need some special sauce at the wire terminals.) Shouldn't have the same problem with copper fuses. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 08:51:41 -0700 From: "Paul Schwartz" Subject: Re: [db] Fuses When I used to pull wires for a living--long ago, in a galaxy far away--we used to put this dielectric compound on any aluminum wire connection. Mind you these were 0000 and 000 wires, but I think the same rule applies here. I wonder if that would work here? Probably easier to get copper fuses. Paul - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Brown" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 8:21 AM Subject: [db] Fuses > Contacts in the fuse box are brass. Cheap fuses are aluminum. > Aluminum/brass interface is always going to corrode. (Houses with > aluminum wiring need some special sauce at the wire terminals.) > Shouldn't have the same problem with copper fuses. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 12:25:17 -0400 From: "Jim Hoffman" Subject: Re: [db] Fuses I've tried dielectric grease with limited success. I'm guessing it's because of the limited contact area. A very small ring of contact area on each end. Just a thought... Jim/ > When I used to pull wires for a living--long ago, in a galaxy far away--we > used to put this dielectric compound on any aluminum wire connection. Mind > you these were 0000 and 000 wires, but I think the same rule applies here. > I wonder if that would work here? Probably easier to get copper fuses. > > Paul > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul Brown" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 8:21 AM > Subject: [db] Fuses > > > > Contacts in the fuse box are brass. Cheap fuses are aluminum. > > Aluminum/brass interface is always going to corrode. (Houses with > > aluminum wiring need some special sauce at the wire terminals.) > > Shouldn't have the same problem with copper fuses. > - -- Jim Hoffman Oconomowoc WI '39 Allis Model B '53 Ford Golden Jubilee '?? Bolens Huskie Gardener ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 10:25:42 -0700 From: john meister Subject: Re: [db] '84 300D fuse box If someone can get a picture of the cover, noting the year and model, I can put it on my webserver for reference... http://wagoneers.com/DieselBenz john McCormick, George wrote: >First, thanks to the members of this list. I recently bought an '84 300D and >had the right headlight go out. Following up on what I had read I twisted >the fuses until I found the one that let the headlight come back on. The >problem I face is that I am missing the fuse box cover. Can anyone give me a >or tell me where to find a chart of the fuses and their functions? > >Thanks, > George > > > >George McCormick >Fayette County Public Schools >701 E. Main St. >Lexington, KY 40502 >859-381-4245 > >Re-cycle yourself, be an organ donor. > >If you don't have the data, > all you really have is an opinion > > >This student or staff email originated from Fayette County Public Schools in >Lexington, KY. >Please report instances of abuse or inappropriate content to >postmaster-at-fayette.k12.ky.us > > > - -- - ----------------------------- Oh well, I'm a man, but I can change, if I have to, I guess -Red Green http://www.redgreen.com/ - ------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... Jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 10:32:00 -0700 From: john meister Subject: Re: [db] Fuses galvanic corrosion... lot of american cars have dissimilar metals in the dash electronics... gauges for instance... as far as the glass fuses not holding up, go to a larger rating... fuse ratings are not what you'd think, they don't protect against "overload" from too much current, but rather for shorts. Look at the specs on them some time. :) john Paul Brown wrote: > Contacts in the fuse box are brass. Cheap fuses are aluminum. > Aluminum/brass interface is always going to corrode. (Houses with > aluminum wiring need some special sauce at the wire terminals.) > Shouldn't have the same problem with copper fuses. > - -- - ----------------------------- Oh well, I'm a man, but I can change, if I have to, I guess -Red Green http://www.redgreen.com/ - ------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... Jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 10:33:48 -0700 From: john meister Subject: Re: [db] Fuses remember too that copper oxidizes... so does aluminum... the only thing that wouldn't is stainless steel... maybe... ;) john Jim Hoffman wrote: >I've tried dielectric grease with limited success. I'm guessing it's >because of the limited contact area. A very small ring of contact >area on each end. Just a thought... > >Jim/ > > > >>When I used to pull wires for a living--long ago, in a galaxy far away--we >>used to put this dielectric compound on any aluminum wire connection. >> >> > Mind > > >>you these were 0000 and 000 wires, but I think the same rule applies here. >>I wonder if that would work here? Probably easier to get copper fuses. >> >>Paul >> >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Paul Brown" >>To: >>Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 8:21 AM >>Subject: [db] Fuses >> >> >> >> >>>Contacts in the fuse box are brass. Cheap fuses are aluminum. >>>Aluminum/brass interface is always going to corrode. (Houses with >>>aluminum wiring need some special sauce at the wire terminals.) >>>Shouldn't have the same problem with copper fuses. >>> >>> > > > - -- - ----------------------------- Oh well, I'm a man, but I can change, if I have to, I guess -Red Green http://www.redgreen.com/ - ------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... Jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 11:12:36 -0700 From: john meister Subject: Re: [db] Fuses isn't gold the ultimate anti-corrosive metal? or is it platinum? ;) actually lead is pretty good and a lot cheaper too... ;) john ron wrote: >My mailbox was recently graced by a missive >from john meister who wrote: > > > >>remember too that copper oxidizes... so does aluminum... the only thing >>that wouldn't is stainless steel... maybe... ;) >> >> > >I seem to remember silver fuse-wire for hi-precision/High-quality setups. > >Cheers, > >Ron. > > - -- - ----------------------------- Oh well, I'm a man, but I can change, if I have to, I guess -Red Green http://www.redgreen.com/ - ------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... Jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #1247 **********************************