From owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Thu Oct 23 14:29:27 2003 From: diesel-benz-digest diesel-benz-digest Thursday, October 23 2003 Volume 01 : Number 1260 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: [db] Re: [offtopic] Daily inspiration? Re: [db] Bypassing climate control servo Re: [db] Bypassing climate control servo [db] A couple questions RE: [db] A couple questions Re: [db] A couple questions RE: [db] A couple questions Re: 300 SDL, was Re: [db] 1990's E300D Reviews / Advice Re: [db] A couple questions Re: [db] VW's? Re: [db] Bypassing climate control servo Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 22:08:51 -0400 From: Robert Chase Subject: [db] Re: [offtopic] Daily inspiration? Heh heh, My English is too good to work in fast food. People would be confused and not know what to order. Robert Chase john meister wrote: > would you like fries with that order sir? > :) > > john > > Robert Chase wrote: > >> John, >> >> All well and good if your not on hardware becoming quickly obsolete. >> All the "big iron" is getting replaced with cheap x86 clones and linux >> in the not so distant future. >> >> Of course eventually as hardware gets cheaper than it already is (it >> it possible?) the software will come embeded with the hardware >> eliminating the need for your System Admin. >> >> So I guess Long live the software that will eventually make all of us >> change careers :) >> >> Robert Chase >> >> >> john meister wrote: >> >>> I was on a major project at boeing in the early '90's... it was >>> being developed on >>> OS/2. The project manager lamented the following when the project >>> failed: >>> >>> "We should have used UNIX because finding support for OS/2 was like >>> trying >>> to find someone to repair a rotary dial telephone." >>> >>> The failure of the project ended one of the ugliest parts of my >>> career and I scampered >>> back into engineering and the world of UNIX. :) >>> >>> My brief forray into the world of OS/2... warped... but survived... ;) >>> >>> long live UNIX/Linux/BSD and other beautiful command line oriented >>> operating systems that >>> aren't developed in Redmond... >>> >>> john >>> >>> Mac -at- TRIAD wrote: >>> >>>> ## >> Operating Systems manufactured by Microsoft are by far the >>>> ## >> most popular, with millions of copies in use >>>> ## >> worldwide. OS/2 fans, on the other hand, may note that >>>> ## >> cockroaches are far more numerous than humans, >>>> ## >> and that numbers alone do not denote a higher life form. >>>> >>>> i've been saving this snippet just for you, Mark: >>>> >>>> "...there's a nice article on making OS/2 slow, boring, and painful, >>>> but it >>>> looks exactly like the OS/2 installation instructions to me..." >>>> >>>> --Mac >>> >>> >> -- >> to be removed from offtopic, see >> http://www.digest.net/bin/digest-subs.cgi >> or email "unsubscribe offtopic" to majordomo-at-digest.net ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 22:15:58 -0400 From: Robert Chase Subject: Re: [db] Bypassing climate control servo Yes, I agree. Also you could consider getting a used part. It would probably be much cheaper than Rusty's price especially if the car does not have a huge amount of useful life left in it. Robert Chase Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: > you are better off ordering one from rusty. Personally I dont like the > idea of hacking up the car. > > R.A. Carfrae wrote: > >> My '80 300D has a bad climate control servo - I know >> it is bad bacause the interior mechanism is pitted and >> corroded quite badly. My question is, could I replace >> the servo with two pieces of straight pipe of the >> proper size, maybe add a valve to control the flow of >> hot water and get by with heat? I know the servo also >> controls position of the air dampers with vacuum, but >> I think that could be bypassed as well. All this work >> to try to get out of spending $350-400 on a new part. TIA >> >> Alex >> -80 300D 276,901+ miles >> Ventura, California >> __________________________________ >> Do you Yahoo!? >> The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search >> http://shopping.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 08:39:30 -0500 From: "Kaleb C. Striplin" Subject: Re: [db] Bypassing climate control servo I have replaced bad ones with used ones that I have on hand, but, more than likely, the used one will either be leaking or will start leaking soon. In fact, the one I have on my 77 just started leaking again so I will pull the last one I have on a parts car and try it. If it doesnt work, will go the metal route. Robert Chase wrote: > Yes, > > I agree. Also you could consider getting a used part. It would probably > be much cheaper than Rusty's price especially if the car does not have a > huge amount of useful life left in it. > > Robert Chase > > Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: > >> you are better off ordering one from rusty. Personally I dont like >> the idea of hacking up the car. >> >> R.A. Carfrae wrote: >> >>> My '80 300D has a bad climate control servo - I know >>> it is bad bacause the interior mechanism is pitted and >>> corroded quite badly. My question is, could I replace >>> the servo with two pieces of straight pipe of the >>> proper size, maybe add a valve to control the flow of >>> hot water and get by with heat? I know the servo also >>> controls position of the air dampers with vacuum, but >>> I think that could be bypassed as well. All this work >>> to try to get out of spending $350-400 on a new part. TIA >>> >>> Alex >>> -80 300D 276,901+ miles >>> Ventura, California __________________________________ >>> Do you Yahoo!? >>> The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search >>> http://shopping.yahoo.com >>> >>> >> > > > > - -- Kaleb C. Striplin/ Claremore, OK Mercedes-Benz Club of America Member Since 1991 MBZ.org Diesel/LL/123/124 List Administrator 89 560SEL, 85 300SD, 85 380SE, 84 380SE, 82 300D, 81 500SE, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 77 300D, 76 240D Parts Cars: 84 300TD, 84 300D, 82 240D, 81 300SD, 81 300TD, 79 240D, 78 300SD, 78 300D, 77 300D 76 300D, 75 240D, 75 240D ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 09:46:48 -0400 From: "J.B. Hebert" Subject: [db] A couple questions With the temperatures dropping, I've noticed a problem with my heat. When I first start the car and let it warm up, I get good heat. However, if I turn the heat down, or if the car reaches the set temperature and turns the heat down automatically, it never comes back. The system will continue to blow air, but it is lukewarm at best. This happens at all fan speeds and settings. Sometimes, after 30 minutes or so, it will blow hot air again. If I shut the car off like I did today while fueling up, when I get back in I get hot air again. I'm guessing that my monovalve might be sticking. Does this seem reasonable? Any other ideas? This is an '82 300CD with the automatic climate control. Second, is the steering box adjustable on these cars? I see a lock bolt and allen head on top, and it looks like the adjustment bolt on other vehicles I've seen. However, I know that certain vehicles can be very tricky and adjusting this bolt can do more harm than good. Anyone have any input on this? I have a significant amount of play in the box and I'd like to reduce it some if possible. Thanks in advance. J.B. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 09:54:06 -0400 From: "Aimino, Michael" Subject: RE: [db] A couple questions The steering box - the MBZ service CD contains a description of this procedure. The Haynes manuals does too. In a nutshell, loosen the lock nut. Turn the Allen screw CCW to tighten the steering, CW to loosen. There should be 1" of play, measured at the diameter of the steering wheel. Tighten the lock nut and you're done. I've done this to all my 123s and my 126s when I brought them home - makes a remarkable difference in handling. - -----Original Message----- From: J.B. Hebert [mailto:jhebert-at-wrxtra.com] Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 9:47 AM To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net Subject: [db] A couple questions With the temperatures dropping, I've noticed a problem with my heat. When I first start the car and let it warm up, I get good heat. However, if I turn the heat down, or if the car reaches the set temperature and turns the heat down automatically, it never comes back. The system will continue to blow air, but it is lukewarm at best. This happens at all fan speeds and settings. Sometimes, after 30 minutes or so, it will blow hot air again. If I shut the car off like I did today while fueling up, when I get back in I get hot air again. I'm guessing that my monovalve might be sticking. Does this seem reasonable? Any other ideas? This is an '82 300CD with the automatic climate control. Second, is the steering box adjustable on these cars? I see a lock bolt and allen head on top, and it looks like the adjustment bolt on other vehicles I've seen. However, I know that certain vehicles can be very tricky and adjusting this bolt can do more harm than good. Anyone have any input on this? I have a significant amount of play in the box and I'd like to reduce it some if possible. Thanks in advance. J.B. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 10:01:13 -0400 From: Andrew_Strasfogel-at-blm.gov Subject: Re: [db] A couple questions Monovalve. Try a new insert first ($30.00). If that doesn't solve the problem, obtain a used monovalve housing from a junkyard. I had this same problem and eventually repalcing the housing did the trick. ALS 1983 300TD "J.B. Hebert" cc: Sent by: Subject: [db] A couple questions owner-diesel-benz -at-digest.net 10/23/2003 09:46 AM With the temperatures dropping, I've noticed a problem with my heat. When I first start the car and let it warm up, I get good heat. However, if I turn the heat down, or if the car reaches the set temperature and turns the heat down automatically, it never comes back. The system will continue to blow air, but it is lukewarm at best. This happens at all fan speeds and settings. Sometimes, after 30 minutes or so, it will blow hot air again. If I shut the car off like I did today while fueling up, when I get back in I get hot air again. I'm guessing that my monovalve might be sticking. Does this seem reasonable? Any other ideas? This is an '82 300CD with the automatic climate control. Second, is the steering box adjustable on these cars? I see a lock bolt and allen head on top, and it looks like the adjustment bolt on other vehicles I've seen. However, I know that certain vehicles can be very tricky and adjusting this bolt can do more harm than good. Anyone have any input on this? I have a significant amount of play in the box and I'd like to reduce it some if possible. Thanks in advance. J.B. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 10:11:22 -0400 From: "J.B. Hebert" Subject: RE: [db] A couple questions That would be my problem, then... all the other vehicles I've owned, it's CW to tighten. I wondered why the steering was getting looser when I tightened it. Cool. J.B. At 09:54 AM 10/23/2003 -0400, you wrote: >The steering box - the MBZ service CD contains a description of this >procedure. The Haynes manuals does too. In a nutshell, loosen the lock >nut. Turn the Allen screw CCW to tighten the steering, CW to loosen. >There should be 1" of play, measured at the diameter of the steering >wheel. Tighten the lock nut and you're done. I've done this to all my >123s and my 126s when I brought them home - makes a remarkable >difference in handling. > >-----Original Message----- >From: J.B. Hebert [mailto:jhebert-at-wrxtra.com] >Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 9:47 AM >To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net >Subject: [db] A couple questions > > >With the temperatures dropping, I've noticed a problem with my heat. >When >I first start the car and let it warm up, I get good heat. However, if >I >turn the heat down, or if the car reaches the set temperature and turns >the >heat down automatically, it never comes back. The system will continue >to >blow air, but it is lukewarm at best. This happens at all fan speeds >and >settings. Sometimes, after 30 minutes or so, it will blow hot air >again. If I shut the car off like I did today while fueling up, when I >get >back in I get hot air again. I'm guessing that my monovalve might be >sticking. Does this seem reasonable? Any other ideas? This is an '82 >300CD with the automatic climate control. > >Second, is the steering box adjustable on these cars? I see a lock bolt > >and allen head on top, and it looks like the adjustment bolt on other >vehicles I've seen. However, I know that certain vehicles can be very >tricky and adjusting this bolt can do more harm than good. Anyone have >any >input on this? I have a significant amount of play in the box and I'd >like >to reduce it some if possible. > >Thanks in advance. > >J.B. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 09:17:07 -0500 From: wguess Subject: Re: 300 SDL, was Re: [db] 1990's E300D Reviews / Advice Happy to, 136200 miles. It's always been garaged, and spent it's whole life in Texas. My wife says I have been smiling for a week. Greg Fiorentino escreveu: > At 12:52 PM 10/20/03 , wguess wrote: > >> Thanks for the recomendations, got serious and went out looking. While >> out I found a low milage 300SDL, I just had to have. > > > I just picked mine up today, tell us about yours. What do you > consider low mileage? Mine turned 132 k on the ride home. I like it > a lot. > > Greg > Greg Fiorentino > Vancouver USA > gfior-at-dslnorthwest.net > > '86 300SDL Turbo > '84 300D Turbo > '79 300TD > '85 F-350 6.9 crew cab ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 10:12:00 -0400 From: "J.B. Hebert" Subject: Re: [db] A couple questions That's what I figured. That's for the info. J.B. At 10:01 AM 10/23/2003 -0400, you wrote: >Monovalve. Try a new insert first ($30.00). If that doesn't solve the >problem, obtain a used monovalve housing from a junkyard. I had this same >problem and eventually repalcing the housing did the trick. > >ALS >1983 300TD > > > > > > "J.B. > Hebert" > > diesel-benz-at-digest.net > om> cc: > > Sent by: Subject: [db] A couple > questions > owner-diesel-benz > > -at-digest.net > > > > > > 10/23/2003 > 09:46 > > AM > > > > > > > > > >With the temperatures dropping, I've noticed a problem with my heat. When >I first start the car and let it warm up, I get good heat. However, if I >turn the heat down, or if the car reaches the set temperature and turns the > >heat down automatically, it never comes back. The system will continue to >blow air, but it is lukewarm at best. This happens at all fan speeds and >settings. Sometimes, after 30 minutes or so, it will blow hot air >again. If I shut the car off like I did today while fueling up, when I get > >back in I get hot air again. I'm guessing that my monovalve might be >sticking. Does this seem reasonable? Any other ideas? This is an '82 >300CD with the automatic climate control. > >Second, is the steering box adjustable on these cars? I see a lock bolt >and allen head on top, and it looks like the adjustment bolt on other >vehicles I've seen. However, I know that certain vehicles can be very >tricky and adjusting this bolt can do more harm than good. Anyone have any > >input on this? I have a significant amount of play in the box and I'd like > >to reduce it some if possible. > >Thanks in advance. > >J.B. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 10:36:40 CDT From: acordova-at-texas.net Subject: Re: [db] VW's? > Good points. > > Also, and particularly in northern climes, sometimes the strut towers rust > out. I'm told that there's no remedy for this other than the car crusher. > > All in all, I wouldn't bother with any A2 car. They just don't light my > fire. > > Vernon > Would an 87 Cabrio be an A1 or an A2? I remember the A2 came to the US in 85 (we owned an 84 Jetta), but the Cabrios always lagged behind the regular Rabbit/Golf/Jetta on model changes (and the Cabrios kept coming from Germany instead of from the less consistent American and Mexican assembly lines). Alec ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 10:38:49 CDT From: acordova-at-texas.net Subject: Re: [db] Bypassing climate control servo For this generation of climate control, don't forget to check with George_Murphy-at-compuserve.com. He may not have any options cheaper than 350-400, but it's worth a try, since he knows these systems better than virtually anyone else. Alec > Yes, > > I agree. Also you could consider getting a used part. It would probably > be much cheaper than Rusty's price especially if the car does not have a > huge amount of useful life left in it. > > Robert Chase > > Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: > > > you are better off ordering one from rusty. Personally I dont like the > > idea of hacking up the car. > > > > R.A. Carfrae wrote: > > > >> My '80 300D has a bad climate control servo - I know > >> it is bad bacause the interior mechanism is pitted and > >> corroded quite badly. My question is, could I replace > >> the servo with two pieces of straight pipe of the > >> proper size, maybe add a valve to control the flow of > >> hot water and get by with heat? I know the servo also > >> controls position of the air dampers with vacuum, but > >> I think that could be bypassed as well. All this work > >> to try to get out of spending $350-400 on a new part. TIA > >> > >> Alex > >> -80 300D 276,901+ miles > >> Ventura, California > >> __________________________________ > >> Do you Yahoo!? > >> The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search > >> http://shopping.yahoo.com ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #1260 **********************************