From owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Wed Oct 29 20:34:21 2003 From: diesel-benz-digest diesel-benz-digest Thursday, October 30 2003 Volume 01 : Number 1265 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: [db] Benz Breakfast - Oct 28, 2003 Re: [db] Benz Breakfast - Oct 28, 2003 [db] That red color [db] detailing question Re: [db] That red color Re: [db] That red color Re: [db] That red color [db] reducing emissions - Euro style Re: [db] WTS: 1982 300 Turbo Diesel MB White. [db] pictures from So Cal [db] solar storms = northern lights? [db] diesel-int Re: [db] diesel-int Re: [db] diesel-int RE: [db] reducing emissions - Euro style Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 10:00:04 CST From: acordova-at-texas.net Subject: Re: [db] Benz Breakfast - Oct 28, 2003 I hate to burst John's bubble, but I think Jim's right. We've all seen that taupe-ey color on a variety of vehicles. That MB teal is not as common, and it's a darned good look on any MB. On the plus side, we can say, especially from http://www.wagoneers.com/DieselBenz/CARS/Oct28-BenzBreakfast/john-chris-dan- 300ds_.jpg, that John's car is real shiny. ;-) He still has the upper hand anyway with the little gills on the front fender. Alec > Hey John... Hue *may* have been talking about the colour of Chris's > 300D... That's the one that caught MY eye ;) > > Jim/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 08:35:31 -0800 From: john meister Subject: Re: [db] Benz Breakfast - Oct 28, 2003 you guys are killing me... ;) john acordova-at-texas.net wrote: >I hate to burst John's bubble, but I think Jim's right. >We've all seen that taupe-ey color on a variety of vehicles. That MB teal is >not as common, and it's a darned good look on any MB. > >On the plus side, we can say, especially from >http://www.wagoneers.com/DieselBenz/CARS/Oct28-BenzBreakfast/john-chris-dan- >300ds_.jpg, that John's car is real shiny. ;-) > >He still has the upper hand anyway with the little gills on the front fender. > >Alec > > > >>Hey John... Hue *may* have been talking about the colour of Chris's >>300D... That's the one that caught MY eye ;) >> >>Jim/ >> >> > > > - -- - ----------------------------- Oh well, I'm a man, but I can change, if I have to, I guess -Red Green http://www.redgreen.com/ - ------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... Jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 13:03:08 -0500 From: Robert Chase Subject: [db] That red color http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=6329&item=2439217341 Even nicer on a pagoda R. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 11:11:03 -0800 (PST) From: hue wong Subject: [db] detailing question ok, so I waxed the heck out of my car the other day and got some wax residue on the black plastic trim on the centerline chome stip on the sides of the car. (and its very noticible) The wax has left this ghosty film on the black plastic that I can't get ride of, I've scrubed it with soap, armour all cleaner, simply green and a green birrilo pad. Nothing gets ride of it. Someone just told me to try vinigar, which I'll try tonight if it doesn't rain. Does anyone have any experience with this sort of thing? Any product that will put the shine back into my plastic? Thanx in advance. - -hue- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 12:26:18 -0800 From: john meister Subject: Re: [db] That red color sure wish I could have afforded the '65 230SL I saw in Frankfurt in '76 or '77... only $2k too... :( john Robert Chase wrote: > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=6329&item=2439217341 > > > Even nicer on a pagoda > > R. > - -- - ----------------------------- Oh well, I'm a man, but I can change, if I have to, I guess -Red Green http://www.redgreen.com/ - ------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... Jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 14:41:33 CST From: acordova-at-texas.net Subject: Re: [db] That red color > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ViewItem&category=6329&item=2439217341 > > Even nicer on a pagoda > > R. > I always wanted a bright red Benz, like the color on that Red Baron 600. Hmm. How about a bright red early W123 240D, complete with matching wheel covers: http://www.dhc.net/~pmhack/mercedes/240d772.htm Or on a lovely (even if non-diesel-powered) W108 280SE 3.5: http://www.dhc.net/~pmhack/mercedes/280se724.htm I've had this maroon color on my previous 85 300D and my current 89 300CE. It's pretty enough, but maroon is the color of Texas A&M University, one of the arch rivals of my alma mater, the University of Texas at Austin. The real problem is that UT's color is burnt orange. While MB may have actually used a color close to that in the 70's, it wasn't attractive then, and it's still not attractive now. Alec ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 13:12:49 -0800 From: john meister Subject: Re: [db] That red color did you read about "Cracklin' Rose"? :) john acordova-at-texas.net wrote: >>http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? >> >> >ViewItem&category=6329&item=2439217341 > > >>Even nicer on a pagoda >> >>R. >> >> >> > >I always wanted a bright red Benz, like the color on that Red Baron 600. > >Hmm. How about a bright red early W123 240D, complete with matching wheel >covers: >http://www.dhc.net/~pmhack/mercedes/240d772.htm > >Or on a lovely (even if non-diesel-powered) W108 280SE 3.5: >http://www.dhc.net/~pmhack/mercedes/280se724.htm > >I've had this maroon color on my previous 85 300D and my current 89 300CE. It's >pretty enough, but maroon is the color of Texas A&M University, one of the arch >rivals of my alma mater, the University of Texas at Austin. The real problem is >that UT's color is burnt orange. While MB may have actually used a color close >to that in the 70's, it wasn't attractive then, and it's still not attractive >now. > >Alec > > > - -- - ----------------------------- Oh well, I'm a man, but I can change, if I have to, I guess -Red Green http://www.redgreen.com/ - ------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... Jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 16:06:55 -0800 From: john meister Subject: [db] reducing emissions - Euro style interesting bit in a newsletter: ************************************************************ Wednesday, 29th October 2003 In the quest for lower CO2 emissions, Europe goes diesel and the US goes gasoline-electric hybrid. That^Rs how it has seemed at times and in a nutshell. Americans won^Rt swallow diesels, but hybrids, led by high-profile celebrity customers, are on a roll aren^Rt they? Yes, except that the projections for hybrid sales in North America are starting from a miniscule market share and there are still very few hybrid models available. That changes over time, but the projected hybrid contribution is still pretty small in the big scheme of things. Two percent market share by 2008 puts things in perspective. Why are vehicle makers hanging back though? Maybe the basic problem is that the model volumes are still not big enough to be profitable - even the market leading Prius must be heavily loss-making for Toyota. It would help if global sales could include a hefty contribution from Europe, but diesel is the established green option in Europe (forty percent share of new car sales and rising) and the best diesels are coming close to hybrids on CO2 performance grounds. As the hybrid niche fills out with more models in America, maybe it becomes even less attractive to new entrants - precisely because the segment^Rs total sales make it a niche and not a mass-market segment. But I am still a little surprised that the latest - revised down - JD Power projections for hybrid sales in North America are so low and that VMs are hanging back to this degree. Ford^Rs hybrid Escape SUV has been put back to next year and it seems that Detroit is not exactly champing at the bit to jump into this new segment. Toyota and Honda must be quite pleased though - even if they lose money on each hybrid model sold, those sales will help them to further bolster their overall market shares. Hybrid sales can also only help to reinforce their technology leader brand attributes. - -- - ----------------------------- Oh well, I'm a man, but I can change, if I have to, I guess -Red Green http://www.redgreen.com/ - ------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... Jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 21:56:48 -0500 From: "Marc Zylka" Subject: Re: [db] WTS: 1982 300 Turbo Diesel MB White. Jason, can you post any pictures of your 300TD? Thanks, Marc Zylka 1983 300TD, 313k miles 1989 Jeep XJ 2000 Chrysler Town and Country - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 5:08 PM Subject: [db] WTS: 1982 300 Turbo Diesel MB White. > Just wanted to let everyone know that I've decided to put up for sale my 1982 300TD. It has I believe less tan 100,000 miles and I'll confirm this weekend as I keep it at another house. The paint is in good shape, but has a few small scratches and such. Body is rust free, engine runs good, but needs some vaccume hose work. I currently have the vaccume hoses in the engine compartment taken out along with the lower dash panaels. The turbo works great and is quite. The car has new tires with less than 5,000 miles on them. Interior leather is in very very nice condition with no cracks,but dash does have a few minor cracks in it. The car needs a new front driver side wheel bearing replaced. Other than that, I drove this call for almost two years till I started to have a leak in the vacumme system and I parked it. I crank it up once per month to keep it going. > > Car is located in Valdosta, Ga and I'm asking 2500 for it. > > Jason ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 19:17:00 -0800 From: john meister Subject: [db] pictures from So Cal http://wagoneers.com/pages/History/CA-fires/ http://scrippsranch.org/special/fire_gallery.asp - -- - ------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... Jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 19:21:08 -0800 From: john Subject: [db] solar storms = northern lights? could we see some northern lights action? :) (maybe if we don't have clouds in Seattle... ;) http://www.msnbc.com/news/984388.asp?0cv=CB10&cp1=1 john - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... Jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 19:31:24 -0800 From: jack tavares Subject: [db] diesel-int My wife's 300D (83) just started running on after the key is shut off. It is worse after short drives, and better after longer drives. At about the same time that this started, the power locks started acting up: not opening after the car has been sitting for a couple of hours. I assume a vacuum leak for the door locks. Could the same leak be responsible for the dieseling? I don't know what is supposed to happen in a diesel when the key is turned off. I mean, what is supposed to stop the motor? No spark to kill, simply turning off the fuel pump can't be enough. So, is the vacuum leak causing both these problems? How to I track down and fix a vacuum leak? sounds like a real PITA. Thanks ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 19:49:17 -0800 From: john meister Subject: Re: [db] diesel-int sounds like the classic vacuum system issues... Yes, the leak is causing it to Diesel on Dude. When you shut off the car there is a vacuum line that runs to the injector pump and shuts off the fuel... a rube goldberg device. If you can figure out which line under the hood goes to the door locks unplug it and plug the line with a golf tee or bolt and see if the car shuts off properly then. IF it does then the leak is probably in the door lock system. You'll need to figure out where in the system it's leaking. I recommend getting one of those vacuum testers at harbor freight, and possibly one of those troubleshooting books from the guy up in Bellingham... it's been posted on the list before... I have some vacuum diagrams on my server in the tech section http://wagoneers.com/DieselBenz ttyl, john jack tavares wrote: > My wife's 300D (83) just started running on > after the key is shut off. > > It is worse after short drives, and better after > longer drives. > > At about the same time that this started, the power > locks started acting up: not opening after the > car has been sitting for a couple of hours. > > I assume a vacuum leak for the door locks. > Could the same leak be responsible for the > dieseling? > > I don't know what is supposed to happen > in a diesel when the key is turned off. > I mean, what is supposed to stop the motor? > No spark to kill, simply turning off > the fuel pump can't be enough. > > So, is the vacuum leak causing both > these problems? > > How to I track down and fix a vacuum leak? > sounds like a real PITA. > > Thanks > - -- - ----------------------------- Oh well, I'm a man, but I can change, if I have to, I guess -Red Green http://www.redgreen.com/ - ------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... Jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 22:52:29 -0500 From: "Marc Zylka" Subject: Re: [db] diesel-int Jack, yes, the diesel not stopping is vacuum related. When you turn off the key an actuator is moved on top of the engine, attached to the red STOP lever. This can be caused by a leak in a vacuum line, a bad vacuum pump, or even a leak in the storage container in your truck, above the fuel tank. I would first check the black line that runs from your brake booster (large round black item on the fire wall) to your vacuum pump on the front of the engine. Check all connections to the main black line. You can have the pump tested using a vacuum gauge, I don't know what the number should be. I think that there is a rebuild kit for the vacuum pump. Marc Zylka 1983 300TD, 313k 1989 Jeep XJ Laredo 2000 Chrysler Town and Country. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "jack tavares" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 10:31 PM Subject: [db] diesel-int > My wife's 300D (83) just started running on > after the key is shut off. > > It is worse after short drives, and better after > longer drives. > > At about the same time that this started, the power > locks started acting up: not opening after the > car has been sitting for a couple of hours. > > I assume a vacuum leak for the door locks. > Could the same leak be responsible for the > dieseling? > > I don't know what is supposed to happen > in a diesel when the key is turned off. > I mean, what is supposed to stop the motor? > No spark to kill, simply turning off > the fuel pump can't be enough. > > So, is the vacuum leak causing both > these problems? > > How to I track down and fix a vacuum leak? > sounds like a real PITA. > > Thanks ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 21:52:18 -0600 From: "Alec Cordova" Subject: RE: [db] reducing emissions - Euro style The current problem with hybrids is the price. The Honda Civic may be the only one currently available in both conventional and hybrid, and a very quick look in edmunds.com suggests the hybrid carries a 4 or 5 thousand dollar premium over a regular Civic LX. It would take an awful lot of driving to achieve the gas savings to make up that price premium. I think they would have more success in other vehicle formats, with the Escape being a good candidate, or some other midsize or large SUV. Those vehicles already offer motor options varying several thousand, and if you put a good 4, 5, or 6 cylinder gas/diesel motor plus an extra 100hp or so of electric power, they could retain the desired performance levels but add fuel economy on a vehicle where payback might come faster. An extra 5 miles per gallon is much more significant on a 15 or 20mpg SUV than it is on a 30 or 40mpg Civic. If the general public and the high-sulfur fuel producers would all just pull their heads out, we could have diesel-electric hybrids and merrily tell the middle east to go screw themselves. Alec > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net > [mailto:owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net]On Behalf Of john meister > Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 6:07 PM > To: dbl > Subject: [db] reducing emissions - Euro style > > > interesting bit in a newsletter: > > ************************************************************ > Wednesday, 29th October 2003 > In the quest for lower CO2 emissions, Europe goes diesel > and the US goes gasoline-electric hybrid. That^Rs how it has > seemed at times and in a nutshell. Americans won^Rt swallow > diesels, but hybrids, led by high-profile celebrity > customers, are on a roll aren^Rt they? Yes, except that > the projections for hybrid sales in North America are > starting from a miniscule market share and there are still > very few hybrid models available. That changes over time, > but the projected hybrid contribution is still pretty small > in the big scheme of things. Two percent market share by > 2008 puts things in perspective. > > Why are vehicle makers hanging back though? Maybe the basic > problem is that the model volumes are still not big enough > to be profitable - even the market leading Prius must be > heavily loss-making for Toyota. It would help if global > sales could include a hefty contribution from Europe, but > diesel is the established green option in Europe (forty > percent share of new car sales and rising) and the best > diesels are coming close to hybrids on CO2 performance > grounds. As the hybrid niche fills out with more models in > America, maybe it becomes even less attractive to new > entrants - precisely because the segment^Rs total sales make > it a niche and not a mass-market segment. > > But I am still a little surprised that the latest - revised > down - JD Power projections for hybrid sales in North > America are so low and that VMs are hanging back to this > degree. Ford^Rs hybrid Escape SUV has been put back to next > year and it seems that Detroit is not exactly champing at > the bit to jump into this new segment. Toyota and Honda > must be quite pleased though - even if they lose money on > each hybrid model sold, those sales will help them to > further bolster their overall market shares. Hybrid sales > can also only help to reinforce their technology leader > brand attributes. > > -- > ----------------------------- > Oh well, > I'm a man, > but I can change, > if I have to, > I guess > -Red Green http://www.redgreen.com/ > ------------------------------ > http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ > Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... > Jesus, don't leave life without him, please! > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #1265 **********************************