From owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Sat Nov 8 22:06:14 2003 From: diesel-benz-digest diesel-benz-digest Sunday, November 9 2003 Volume 01 : Number 1280 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: [db] Block Heater Re: [db] Block Heater Re: [db] Block Heater Re: [db] Ambient temp sensor location RE: [db] Ambient temp sensor location RE: [db] Block Heater [db] RE:Ambient temp sensor location 300D 124 [db] the verdict is in Re: [db] the verdict is in Re: [db] the verdict is in Re: [db] the verdict is in [db] OT - '94 Ford F350 Turbo Diesel Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 16:21:28 -0700 From: Eric -at- Morrell Printing Solutions Subject: Re: [db] Block Heater Rebuild the pre-glow system? Sound like a good idea. All I've done is replace the glow plugs. This was done last year. I have the filament style glow plugs. How do I go about rebuilding the system? Can the filament style be upgraded to the newer style? Thanks, Eric On Friday, November 7, 2003, at 01:50 PM, Robert Chase wrote: > Hmmmmm, > > I could think of one way but it might risk your engine in the process. > Drain the coolant and fill it with regular water and wait for a cold > night. My brother's 300D has a block heater but living in Atlanta GA > we have never used it. My 300SD does not have one but then again its > has never been cold enough here to have starting problems. I m > guessing you have already rebuilt your preglow system? > > Robert Chase > > > Eric -at- Morrell Printing Solutions wrote: > >> I've got a '71 220D with no block warmer. Living in Boulder, Colorado >> this is continually a problem. I picked one up (the kind that insert >> into the freeze plug). I tried and tried to get that freeze plug out, >> to no avail. I've got a pretty hefty Snap On bar on there, with a >> chunk of lead pipe to use as a cheater. I applied heat (via a propane >> torch) but still couldn't get it. >> I guess I'm wondering if anybody has any ideas for getting that >> bastard off, but also if all of this effort is worth it. Do those >> warmers make a significant difference? >> Eric ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2003 19:41:07 -0500 From: Robert Chase Subject: Re: [db] Block Heater Hmmm, I have yet to deal with that on my car. I would start with the battery and move my way to the glowplugs and replace anything could reasonably get my hands on that worked with the glow plug system. Its quite possible that replacing some of the system might get you a little bit of extra performance that you need to get started in the morning considering your extreme climate and the age of your car. Electrical items corrode and oxidize over 30 some odd years. Cars in many ways dont perform the way they were meant to when they get some age on them. Although honestly I think a block heater might be something good to get as well for those "extra cold" days. Robert Chase Eric -at- Morrell Printing Solutions wrote: > Rebuild the pre-glow system? Sound like a good idea. All I've done is > replace the glow plugs. This was done last year. I have the filament > style glow plugs. How do I go about rebuilding the system? Can the > filament style be upgraded to the newer style? > > Thanks, > Eric > > On Friday, November 7, 2003, at 01:50 PM, Robert Chase wrote: > >> Hmmmmm, >> >> I could think of one way but it might risk your engine in the process. >> Drain the coolant and fill it with regular water and wait for a cold >> night. My brother's 300D has a block heater but living in Atlanta GA >> we have never used it. My 300SD does not have one but then again its >> has never been cold enough here to have starting problems. I m >> guessing you have already rebuilt your preglow system? >> >> Robert Chase >> >> >> Eric -at- Morrell Printing Solutions wrote: >> >>> I've got a '71 220D with no block warmer. Living in Boulder, Colorado >>> this is continually a problem. I picked one up (the kind that insert >>> into the freeze plug). I tried and tried to get that freeze plug out, >>> to no avail. I've got a pretty hefty Snap On bar on there, with a >>> chunk of lead pipe to use as a cheater. I applied heat (via a propane >>> torch) but still couldn't get it. >>> I guess I'm wondering if anybody has any ideas for getting that >>> bastard off, but also if all of this effort is worth it. Do those >>> warmers make a significant difference? >>> Eric ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 19:25:11 -0600 From: "Vernon Tuck" Subject: Re: [db] Block Heater Block heaters work wunnerfully well and are definitely worth the money if you live in a cold climate. However, here are some viable alternatives to getting your cold natured diesel going: a) Place a high intensity light underneath the oil pan. Or inside the engine bay. Or even shining on the radiator. But beware of fires. Doing this all night is a great plan. But even doing it for thirty minutes in the morning makes a surprising difference. b) Direct the output of a portable hair dryer into the intake while your significant other cranks the engine over. I've gotten through entire winters doing this rather than fix the glow plug system in one of my Ford trucks. But block heaters are by far the best. On my automobiles you can hear the water start to sizzle inside the engine within 20 seconds of plugging 'em in. VT ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2003 18:30:39 -0800 From: john meister Subject: Re: [db] Ambient temp sensor location front bumper... john Edward Pomeroy wrote: > Open question to those familiar with the '93 300D or similar. Where > is the business end of the temperature sensor that displays on the LCD > lower edge of center of instrument cluster? I want to follow the > wires to see where the break is. > > Thanks all, > Edward > - -- - ------------------------------------------------------------------ john at http://wagoneers.com from Snohomish,WA- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... reminding you not to leave life w/o Jesus! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 20:43:38 -0600 From: "Alec Cordova" Subject: RE: [db] Ambient temp sensor location Just below the license plate on the passenger side. Alec > > front bumper... > > john > > Edward Pomeroy wrote: > > > Open question to those familiar with the '93 300D or similar. Where > > is the business end of the temperature sensor that displays on the LCD > > lower edge of center of instrument cluster? I want to follow the > > wires to see where the break is. > > > > Thanks all, > > Edward ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 20:54:00 -0600 From: "Alec Cordova" Subject: RE: [db] Block Heater The "rebuild" is to upgrade from the serial glow plug system to the newer and better parallel style. I believe there are kits available. Try Rusty at www.buymbparts.com or 800-741-5252, or maybe Randy at EPS Parts, or perhaps the Benz Bin or mercedessource.com. Also, be sure the valves are adjusted properly. On the 240D and 300D motors a generation newer than yours, the valves are supposed to be adjusted every 15,000 miles. I suspect yours wants the same. This will help cold starts. The other thing that is truly supposed to help with diesel cold starts is synthetic motor oil. These days, it is perfectly acceptable to switch an old motor from conventional to synthetic oil. It may or may not reduce wear compared to appropriately-changed diesel-rated conventional oil, but it should add between 10 and 20 degrees of cold starting capability. Alec Cordova Taylor, Texas 89 300CE, 163K > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net > [mailto:owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net]On Behalf Of Robert Chase > Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 6:41 PM > To: Eric -at- Morrell Printing Solutions > Cc: diesel-benz-at-digest.net > Subject: Re: [db] Block Heater > > > Hmmm, > > I have yet to deal with that on my car. I would start with the battery > and move my way to the glowplugs and replace anything could reasonably > get my hands on that worked with the glow plug system. Its quite > possible that replacing some of the system might get you a little bit of > extra performance that you need to get started in the morning > considering your extreme climate and the age of your car. Electrical > items corrode and oxidize over 30 some odd years. Cars in many ways > dont perform the way they were meant to when they get some age on them. > Although honestly I think a block heater might be something good to > get as well for those "extra cold" days. > > Robert Chase > > > Eric -at- Morrell Printing Solutions wrote: > > Rebuild the pre-glow system? Sound like a good idea. All I've done is > > replace the glow plugs. This was done last year. I have the filament > > style glow plugs. How do I go about rebuilding the system? Can the > > filament style be upgraded to the newer style? > > > > Thanks, > > Eric > > > > On Friday, November 7, 2003, at 01:50 PM, Robert Chase wrote: > > > >> Hmmmmm, > >> > >> I could think of one way but it might risk your engine in the process. > >> Drain the coolant and fill it with regular water and wait for a cold > >> night. My brother's 300D has a block heater but living in Atlanta GA > >> we have never used it. My 300SD does not have one but then again its > >> has never been cold enough here to have starting problems. I m > >> guessing you have already rebuilt your preglow system? > >> > >> Robert Chase > >> > >> > >> Eric -at- Morrell Printing Solutions wrote: > >> > >>> I've got a '71 220D with no block warmer. Living in Boulder, Colorado > >>> this is continually a problem. I picked one up (the kind that insert > >>> into the freeze plug). I tried and tried to get that freeze plug out, > >>> to no avail. I've got a pretty hefty Snap On bar on there, with a > >>> chunk of lead pipe to use as a cheater. I applied heat (via a propane > >>> torch) but still couldn't get it. > >>> I guess I'm wondering if anybody has any ideas for getting that > >>> bastard off, but also if all of this effort is worth it. Do those > >>> warmers make a significant difference? > >>> Eric ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 21:53:48 -0500 From: "Chris Whitney" Subject: [db] RE:Ambient temp sensor location 300D 124 The sensor is located behind the front license plate trim panel. Rgds, Chris Whitney saw it in up close and in person 2 weeks ago ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 13:58:43 -0500 From: "Michael Aimino" Subject: [db] the verdict is in Regarding the broken timing chain: in the words of the Munchkin coroner, "she is not just merely dead, she's really most sincerely dead." Broken timing chain, one cam lobe missing a big chunk, several valve stems looking like WC Fields cue stick. Turning engine by hand results in most peculiar grinding noise from deep inside. In short, trashed from top to bottom. Pictures to be posted shortly, for the morbidly curious. In related news: For Sale. 1982 MBZ 300SD, milage unknown, odometer shows 245k, actual mileage closer to 280k. Rust-free body, engine no good, transmission fair, suspension decent, interior well used, many new and recent parts, good for parts or rebuild. Located in scenic Hoosicks Mill, PA. http://maps.yahoo.com/maps_result?ed=M7tNO.p_0TqT&csz=Hoosicks+Mill%2C +PA&country=us ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2003 11:21:06 -0800 From: john meister Subject: Re: [db] the verdict is in Looks like Stu was right.... it IS an interference motor... :) john Michael Aimino wrote: >Regarding the broken timing chain: in the words of the Munchkin >coroner, "she is not just merely dead, she's really most sincerely >dead." > >Broken timing chain, one cam lobe missing a big chunk, several valve >stems looking like WC Fields cue stick. Turning engine by hand >results in most peculiar grinding noise from deep inside. In short, >trashed from top to bottom. Pictures to be posted shortly, for the >morbidly curious. > >In related news: > >For Sale. 1982 MBZ 300SD, milage unknown, odometer shows 245k, actual >mileage closer to 280k. Rust-free body, engine no good, transmission >fair, suspension decent, interior well used, many new and recent >parts, good for parts or rebuild. Located in scenic Hoosicks Mill, PA. > >http://maps.yahoo.com/maps_result?ed=M7tNO.p_0TqT&csz=Hoosicks+Mill%2C >+PA&country=us > > > - -- - ------------------------------------------------------------------ john at http://wagoneers.com from Snohomish,WA- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... reminding you not to leave life w/o Jesus! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 17:14:34 -0500 From: "Michael Aimino" Subject: Re: [db] the verdict is in Yep. Most assuredly so. I'm glad I can joke about it now. That was a *long* three mile walk back to the house. On 8 Nov 03, at 11:21, john meister wrote: > Looks like Stu was right.... it IS an interference motor... :) > > john > > Michael Aimino wrote: > > >Regarding the broken timing chain: in the words of the Munchkin > >coroner, "she is not just merely dead, she's really most sincerely > >dead." > > > >Broken timing chain, one cam lobe missing a big chunk, several valve > >stems looking like WC Fields cue stick. Turning engine by hand > >results in most peculiar grinding noise from deep inside. In short, > >trashed from top to bottom. Pictures to be posted shortly, for the > >morbidly curious. > > > >In related news: > > > >For Sale. 1982 MBZ 300SD, milage unknown, odometer shows 245k, actual > > mileage closer to 280k. Rust-free body, engine no good, transmission > > fair, suspension decent, interior well used, many new and recent > >parts, good for parts or rebuild. Located in scenic Hoosicks Mill, > >PA. > > > >http://maps.yahoo.com/maps_result?ed=M7tNO.p_0TqT&csz=Hoosicks+Mill%2 > >C > >+PA&country=us > > > > > > > > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > john at http://wagoneers.com from Snohomish,WA- where Jeeps don't > rust, they mold... reminding you not to leave life w/o Jesus! > ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2003 14:58:24 -0800 From: john meister Subject: Re: [db] the verdict is in Michael, I would like to put the pictures on my server... I've got a few pictures of destroyed engines that I should assemble on my server... :) Heading up today or tomorrow to look at a 300SD with a bad engine... trying to decide if I can afford the project with no job... one idea is to keep it and sell my '91 300d if it comes down to it or the house. ;) Found a nice benz on ebay with no motor... the temptation persists to make a 4x4 benz... :) Anyway, glad it wasn't a longer walk then that... :) john Michael Aimino wrote: >Yep. Most assuredly so. > >I'm glad I can joke about it now. That was a *long* three mile walk >back to the house. > >On 8 Nov 03, at 11:21, john meister wrote: > > > >>Looks like Stu was right.... it IS an interference motor... :) >> >>john >> >>Michael Aimino wrote: >> >> >> >>>Regarding the broken timing chain: in the words of the Munchkin >>>coroner, "she is not just merely dead, she's really most sincerely >>>dead." >>> >>>Broken timing chain, one cam lobe missing a big chunk, several valve >>>stems looking like WC Fields cue stick. Turning engine by hand >>>results in most peculiar grinding noise from deep inside. In short, >>>trashed from top to bottom. Pictures to be posted shortly, for the >>>morbidly curious. >>> >>>In related news: >>> >>>For Sale. 1982 MBZ 300SD, milage unknown, odometer shows 245k, actual >>>mileage closer to 280k. Rust-free body, engine no good, transmission >>>fair, suspension decent, interior well used, many new and recent >>>parts, good for parts or rebuild. Located in scenic Hoosicks Mill, >>>PA. >>> >>>http://maps.yahoo.com/maps_result?ed=M7tNO.p_0TqT&csz=Hoosicks+Mill%2 >>>C >>>+PA&country=us >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>-- >>------------------------------------------------------------------ >>john at http://wagoneers.com from Snohomish,WA- where Jeeps don't >> rust, they mold... reminding you not to leave life w/o Jesus! >>------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> > > > - -- - ------------------------------------------------------------------ john at http://wagoneers.com from Snohomish,WA- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... reminding you not to leave life w/o Jesus! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 18:24:08 -0500 From: "Jim Hoffman" Subject: [db] OT - '94 Ford F350 Turbo Diesel Well folks, As fate would have it, I have stumbled upon a pretty nice F350 w/7.3l turbo diesel. The current owner says that the *fuel pump/injector pump* may be in need of a rebuild. He pointed to a *box* about 4" X 6" on top of the intake manifold. This is about 1/8th the size of a MB injector pump so I'm suspicious ;) Is that really how bit the injector pump on a 7.3l is? And it sits on top of the intake manifold? It runs real nice but he says that it smokes when cold until it warms up. Has plenty of power. I took it up to 65mph and it wasn't even up to 2k rpm yet. Has the automatic overdrive. I like it ;) Any 7.3l experts out there?? TIA! Jim/ ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #1280 **********************************