From owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Wed Nov 12 11:18:19 2003 From: diesel-benz-digest diesel-benz-digest Tuesday, November 11 2003 Volume 01 : Number 1285 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: [db] '91 300d - ASD light [db] broken timing chain pictures [db] RE: [126] eBay item 2442577849 (Ends Nov-12-03 06:22:30 PST) - Mercedes 126 Wooden Cup Holder! WOW! Re: [db] RE: [126] eBay item 2442577849 (Ends Nov-12-03 06:22:30 PST) - Mercedes 126 Wooden Cup Holder! WOW! Re: [db] RE: [126] eBay item 2442577849 (Ends Nov-12-03 06:22:30 PST) - Mercedes 126 Wooden Cup Holder! WOW! Re: [db] RE: [126] eBay item 2442577849 (Ends Nov-12-03 06:22:30 PST) - Mercedes 126 Wooden Cup Holder! WOW! Re: [db] RE: [126] eBay item 2442577849 (Ends Nov-12-03 06:22:30 PST) - Mercedes 126 Wooden Cup Holder! WOW! Re: [db] broken timing chain pictures Re: [db] broken timing chain pictures Re: [db] broken timing chain pictures RE: [db] broken timing chain pictures Re: [db] broken timing chain pictures RE: [db] broken timing chain pictures [db] diesel-ing update Re: [db] broken timing chain pictures Re: [db] broken timing chain pictures Re: [db] RE: [126] eBay item 2442577849 (Ends Nov-12-03 06:22:30 PST) - Mercedes 126 Wooden Cup Holder! WOW! Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 21:18:36 -0800 From: john meister Subject: [db] '91 300d - ASD light found the fuses (red, not reed ;) replaced both 10amp fuses (both were good)... no happiness... any other ideas? john - -- - ------------------------------------------------------------------ john at http://wagoneers.com from Snohomish,WA- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... reminding you not to leave life w/o Jesus! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 02:17:40 -0800 From: john meister Subject: [db] broken timing chain pictures http://wagoneers.com/DieselBenz/TECH/broken-timing-chain-300sd/ - -- - ------------------------------------------------------------------ john at http://wagoneers.com from Snohomish,WA- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... reminding you not to leave life w/o Jesus! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 10:11:27 -0600 From: "Jason Stern" Subject: [db] RE: [126] eBay item 2442577849 (Ends Nov-12-03 06:22:30 PST) - Mercedes 126 Wooden Cup Holder! WOW! Hmm. Good idea. :) - -----Original Message----- http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=42612& item=2442577849 the solution to the 126 cupholder crises. Make your own. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 11:25:31 -0500 From: "J.B. Hebert" Subject: Re: [db] RE: [126] eBay item 2442577849 (Ends Nov-12-03 06:22:30 PST) - Mercedes 126 Wooden Cup Holder! WOW! I've made a couple of those. They work OK, but there is still the problem where the console is not at a good location for reaching the item (at least for me). There are no good cupholder solutions for early MB's that I've seen. :( J.B. At 10:11 AM 11/11/2003 -0600, you wrote: >Hmm. Good idea. :) > >-----Original Message----- > >http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=42612& >item=2442577849 > >the solution to the 126 cupholder crises. Make your own. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 09:56:42 -0800 (PST) From: Mike Mangrum Subject: Re: [db] RE: [126] eBay item 2442577849 (Ends Nov-12-03 06:22:30 PST) - Mercedes 126 Wooden Cup Holder! WOW! See http://www.drinkholders.com/ Kind of pricy but look nice. I told my son one would be nice as a Christmas present for someone who owns a 1982 300D. Hint, hint. "J.B. Hebert" wrote: I've made a couple of those. They work OK, but there is still the problem where the console is not at a good location for reaching the item (at least for me). There are no good cupholder solutions for early MB's that I've seen. :( J.B. At 10:11 AM 11/11/2003 -0600, you wrote: >Hmm. Good idea. :) > >-----Original Message----- > >http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=42612& >item=2442577849 > >the solution to the 126 cupholder crises. Make your own. Mike M. Ann Arbor, MI '74 914 2.0 '75 914 1.8 '82 300D Turbo Oh lord won't you buy me a Mercedes Benz My friends all drive Porsches I must make amends I worked hard all my lifetime No help from my friends So Lord wont you buy me a Mercedes Benz Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 11:15:40 -0800 From: john meister Subject: Re: [db] RE: [126] eBay item 2442577849 (Ends Nov-12-03 06:22:30 PST) - Mercedes 126 Wooden Cup Holder! WOW! the dealer (here in Seattle) carries the non-wood variation... so does performance products. my '91 300d has the center console dual cup holder... I want to get a pair of the single ones... parchment interior, (I think) anyone want to trade or buy this one? It lists for $79.95 (the double), should fit almost any center console... let me know... john Mike Mangrum wrote: >See http://www.drinkholders.com/ > >Kind of pricy but look nice. I told my son one would be nice as a Christmas present for someone who owns a 1982 300D. Hint, hint. > >"J.B. Hebert" wrote: >I've made a couple of those. They work OK, but there is still the problem >where the console is not at a good location for reaching the item (at least >for me). There are no good cupholder solutions for early MB's that I've >seen. :( > >J.B. > >At 10:11 AM 11/11/2003 -0600, you wrote: > > >>Hmm. Good idea. :) >> >>-----Original Message----- >> >>http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=42612& >>item=2442577849 >> >>the solution to the 126 cupholder crises. Make your own. >> >> > > >Mike M. >Ann Arbor, MI > >'74 914 2.0 >'75 914 1.8 >'82 300D Turbo > >Oh lord won't you buy me a Mercedes Benz >My friends all drive Porsches >I must make amends >I worked hard all my lifetime >No help from my friends >So Lord wont you buy me a Mercedes Benz >Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard > > > - -- - ------------------------------------------------------------------ john at http://wagoneers.com from Snohomish,WA- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... reminding you not to leave life w/o Jesus! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 14:26:21 -0500 From: "J.B. Hebert" Subject: Re: [db] RE: [126] eBay item 2442577849 (Ends Nov-12-03 06:22:30 PST) - Mercedes 126 Wooden Cup Holder! WOW! I've looked at those. They're on eBay as well. They still look "tacked on" and I shudder at the thought of drilling holes in my door panels. :) But they're probably the best I've seen to date. J.B. At 09:56 AM 11/11/2003 -0800, you wrote: >See http://www.drinkholders.com/ > >Kind of pricy but look nice. I told my son one would be nice as a >Christmas present for someone who owns a 1982 300D. Hint, hint. > >"J.B. Hebert" wrote: >I've made a couple of those. They work OK, but there is still the problem >where the console is not at a good location for reaching the item (at least >for me). There are no good cupholder solutions for early MB's that I've >seen. :( > >J.B. > >At 10:11 AM 11/11/2003 -0600, you wrote: > >Hmm. Good idea. :) > > > >-----Original Message----- > > > >http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=42612& > >item=2442577849 > > > >the solution to the 126 cupholder crises. Make your own. > > >Mike M. >Ann Arbor, MI > >'74 914 2.0 >'75 914 1.8 >'82 300D Turbo > >Oh lord won't you buy me a Mercedes Benz >My friends all drive Porsches >I must make amends >I worked hard all my lifetime >No help from my friends >So Lord wont you buy me a Mercedes Benz >Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 15:05:35 -0500 From: Robert Chase Subject: Re: [db] broken timing chain pictures OUCH! So I think that I might want to "walk" to Costco until I get my timing chain replaced :) Robert Chase john meister wrote: > http://wagoneers.com/DieselBenz/TECH/broken-timing-chain-300sd/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 15:22:34 -0500 From: Edward Pomeroy Subject: Re: [db] broken timing chain pictures Ouch is an understatement! Since we are on the subject of timing chains...... what is the change interval recommended by DB? My '93 300D has 164K miles on it now and you guys are making me real worried. Robert Chase wrote: > OUCH! > > So I think that I might want to "walk" to Costco until I get my timing > chain replaced :) > > Robert Chase > > > john meister wrote: > >> http://wagoneers.com/DieselBenz/TECH/broken-timing-chain-300sd/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 15:26:09 -0500 From: "J.B. Hebert" Subject: Re: [db] broken timing chain pictures Not sure what the book says, but most MB mechanics that I've talked to recommend 100k miles. J.B. At 03:22 PM 11/11/2003 -0500, you wrote: >Ouch is an understatement! Since we are on the subject of timing >chains...... what is the change interval recommended by DB? My '93 300D >has 164K miles on it now and you guys are making me real worried. > > >Robert Chase wrote: > >>OUCH! >> >>So I think that I might want to "walk" to Costco until I get my timing >>chain replaced :) >> >>Robert Chase >> >> >>john meister wrote: >> >>>http://wagoneers.com/DieselBenz/TECH/broken-timing-chain-300sd/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 15:27:31 -0500 From: "Aimino, Michael" Subject: RE: [db] broken timing chain pictures What's distressing to me is that I checked the chain "stretch" at the last valve adjustment, which was about 12k before the chain broke. It was dead on. I have to think that the chain was replaced by a previous owner and was not crimped properly. Is there some other way to determine if the chain is worn and needs to be replaced? - -----Original Message----- From: Edward Pomeroy [mailto:ejpomeroy-at-qtm.net] Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 3:23 PM To: Robert Chase Cc: john meister; dbl; ml Subject: Re: [db] broken timing chain pictures Ouch is an understatement! Since we are on the subject of timing chains...... what is the change interval recommended by DB? My '93 300D has 164K miles on it now and you guys are making me real worried. Robert Chase wrote: > OUCH! > > So I think that I might want to "walk" to Costco until I get my timing > chain replaced :) > > Robert Chase > > > john meister wrote: > >> http://wagoneers.com/DieselBenz/TECH/broken-timing-chain-300sd/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 15:28:37 -0500 From: Robert Chase Subject: Re: [db] broken timing chain pictures Sure thats not 200k? 100k seems a little timing BELT like Robert Chase J.B. Hebert wrote: > Not sure what the book says, but most MB mechanics that I've talked to > recommend 100k miles. > > J.B. > > At 03:22 PM 11/11/2003 -0500, you wrote: > >> Ouch is an understatement! Since we are on the subject of timing >> chains...... what is the change interval recommended by DB? My '93 >> 300D has 164K miles on it now and you guys are making me real worried. >> >> >> Robert Chase wrote: >> >>> OUCH! >>> >>> So I think that I might want to "walk" to Costco until I get my >>> timing chain replaced :) >>> >>> Robert Chase >>> >>> >>> john meister wrote: >>> >>>> http://wagoneers.com/DieselBenz/TECH/broken-timing-chain-300sd/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 14:32:55 -0600 From: "Jason Stern" Subject: RE: [db] broken timing chain pictures >From what I understand, it doesn't need to be changed until timing chain stretch is upwards of 5 degrees. No need to replace something that isn't broken (unless you have one of those that MB suggested changing, i.e., 1992 300D). Jason _______ Jason Stern Denham Springs, Louisiana 1991 300D 2.5 Turbo 268,000 miles 1982 300SD Turbodiesel 311,000 miles http://www.bellegrove.net/Mercedes.html ><> - -----Original Message----- Not sure what the book says, but most MB mechanics that I've talked to recommend 100k miles. J.B. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 12:32:38 -0800 From: Jack Tavares Subject: [db] diesel-ing update So a recap: >My wife's 300D (83) just started running on >after the key is shut off. >At about the same time that this started, the power >locks started acting up: not opening after the >car has been sitting for a couple of hours. So I bought the vacuum troubleshooting guide from Mercedessource.com and started looking at it. It is clearly a problem with the locking system. I have blocked off the locking system and the car now shuts off within a second or so. I have ordered the "detailed locking system trouble shooting guide" and await its arrival before tearing off door panels etc. Thanks for the advice and I will keep you posted. - -- jack ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 15:35:56 -0500 From: "Jim Hoffman" Subject: Re: [db] broken timing chain pictures That's what I was thinking. Recommended replacement on my 2.0 liter Mazda diesel was 100K and that was a *belt*. Chain should last much longer than that. Jim/ > Sure thats not 200k? > > 100k seems a little timing BELT like > > Robert Chase > > J.B. Hebert wrote: > > > Not sure what the book says, but most MB mechanics that I've talked to > > recommend 100k miles. > > > > J.B. > > > > At 03:22 PM 11/11/2003 -0500, you wrote: > > > >> Ouch is an understatement! Since we are on the subject of timing > >> chains...... what is the change interval recommended by DB? My '93 > >> 300D has 164K miles on it now and you guys are making me real worried. > >> > >> > >> Robert Chase wrote: > >> > >>> OUCH! > >>> > >>> So I think that I might want to "walk" to Costco until I get my > >>> timing chain replaced :) > >>> > >>> Robert Chase > >>> > >>> > >>> john meister wrote: > >>> > >>>> http://wagoneers.com/DieselBenz/TECH/broken-timing-chain-300sd/ > - -- Jim Hoffman Oconomowoc WI '39 Allis Model B '53 Ford Golden Jubilee '?? Bolens Huskie Gardener ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 15:49:23 -0500 From: "J.B. Hebert" Subject: Re: [db] broken timing chain pictures It might be a bit over-cautious, but when you consider recent events and the relative low cost of a new chain, it probably isn't a bad idea. J.B. At 03:35 PM 11/11/2003 -0500, you wrote: >That's what I was thinking. Recommended replacement on my 2.0 >liter Mazda diesel was 100K and that was a *belt*. Chain should >last much longer than that. > >Jim/ > > > Sure thats not 200k? > > > > 100k seems a little timing BELT like > > > > Robert Chase > > > > J.B. Hebert wrote: > > > > > Not sure what the book says, but most MB mechanics that I've talked to > > > recommend 100k miles. > > > > > > J.B. > > > > > > At 03:22 PM 11/11/2003 -0500, you wrote: > > > > > >> Ouch is an understatement! Since we are on the subject of timing > > >> chains...... what is the change interval recommended by DB? My '93 > > >> 300D has 164K miles on it now and you guys are making me real worried. > > >> > > >> > > >> Robert Chase wrote: > > >> > > >>> OUCH! > > >>> > > >>> So I think that I might want to "walk" to Costco until I get my > > >>> timing chain replaced :) > > >>> > > >>> Robert Chase > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> john meister wrote: > > >>> > > >>>> http://wagoneers.com/DieselBenz/TECH/broken-timing-chain-300sd/ > > > >-- >Jim Hoffman >Oconomowoc WI >'39 Allis Model B >'53 Ford Golden Jubilee >'?? Bolens Huskie Gardener ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 12:51:33 -0800 From: john meister Subject: Re: [db] RE: [126] eBay item 2442577849 (Ends Nov-12-03 06:22:30 PST) - Mercedes 126 Wooden Cup Holder! WOW! I've had these on all but two of my Benz's, they're great, fold up nicely, folks think they're factory... only two screws into the door panel... They work quite well... john J.B. Hebert wrote: > I've looked at those. They're on eBay as well. They still look > "tacked on" and I shudder at the thought of drilling holes in my door > panels. :) > > But they're probably the best I've seen to date. > > J.B. > > At 09:56 AM 11/11/2003 -0800, you wrote: > >> See http://www.drinkholders.com/ >> >> Kind of pricy but look nice. I told my son one would be nice as a >> Christmas present for someone who owns a 1982 300D. Hint, hint. >> >> "J.B. Hebert" wrote: >> I've made a couple of those. They work OK, but there is still the >> problem >> where the console is not at a good location for reaching the item (at >> least >> for me). There are no good cupholder solutions for early MB's that I've >> seen. :( >> >> J.B. >> >> At 10:11 AM 11/11/2003 -0600, you wrote: >> >Hmm. Good idea. :) >> > >> >-----Original Message----- >> > >> >http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=42612& >> >> >item=2442577849 >> > >> >the solution to the 126 cupholder crises. Make your own. >> >> >> Mike M. >> Ann Arbor, MI >> >> '74 914 2.0 >> '75 914 1.8 >> '82 300D Turbo >> >> Oh lord won't you buy me a Mercedes Benz >> My friends all drive Porsches >> I must make amends >> I worked hard all my lifetime >> No help from my friends >> So Lord wont you buy me a Mercedes Benz >> Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard > > - -- - ------------------------------------------------------------------ john at http://wagoneers.com from Snohomish,WA- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... reminding you not to leave life w/o Jesus! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #1285 **********************************