From owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Sat Nov 15 17:04:53 2003 From: diesel-benz-digest diesel-benz-digest Saturday, November 15 2003 Volume 01 : Number 1291 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: [db] Turning the engine Re: [db] [kevin-at-punk.net: Mercedes diesel 4 speed conversion kit 123 chassis - $300 (San Mateo)] Re: [db] [kevin-at-punk.net: Mercedes diesel 4 speed conversion kit 123 chassis - $300 (San Mateo)] Re: [db] Re: [MB] Let There Be More Light - 1993 300E Re: [db] Re: [MB] Let There Be More Light - 1993 300E Re: [db] Turning the engine [db] Can anyone please do Carfax for me?? RE: [db] Turning the engine Re: [db] Turning the engine [db] No TD for Jan this time .... [db] administrivia: notes on using this list Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 19:43:27 -0500 From: "Tom Scordato" Subject: [db] Turning the engine 1977 300D, 123 chassis. Trying to change transmission fluid, first time for me. I need to rotate crankshaft until drain plug shows up. How do you rotate the engine by hand. I tried to move pulleys and crankshaft by grabbing and moving. No go. Car runs fine. Tried it with tranny in neutral, no go by hand. What am I doing wrong? Cheers Tom Scordato Bellefonte, PA ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 19:57:07 -0500 From: "Jim Steere" Subject: Re: [db] [kevin-at-punk.net: Mercedes diesel 4 speed conversion kit 123 chassis - $300 (San Mateo)] Keep in mind, guys....that to use this setup with a 5-cylinder, the shift rods and driveshaft will have to be shortened. Been there. Jim Steere Everything Automotive Crystal, MI www.usedbenzparts.com (989)235-4000 - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Pekarek" To: Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 7:00 PM Subject: [db] [kevin-at-punk.net: Mercedes diesel 4 speed conversion kit 123 chassis - $300 (San Mateo)] > In case anyone was interested in doing this, I found this advertised. Seems > like a good price, but don't know how stout the 616 four banger tranny is - > is it the same as the 617 four banger? > > Either way, this is in my neck of the woods (SF Bay Area), so if someone remote > wants me to check anything, holler, but please be somewhat serious :) > > K > > > ------------------------------------------------- > > Mercedes diesel 4 speed conversion kit 123 chassis > > Original URL: http://www.craigslist.org/car/19165636.html > Posted by: mdpetty78-at-yahoo.com > Posted on: 2003-11-11, 1:36PM > > Hello, > I am selling everyting that you need to make your automatic Mercedes diesel 123 chassis into a manual transmission car. This will work for 240d 300d 300td and 300cd. Included is a 4 speed from a 240d in good working condition, shifter and shift rods, crossmember, driveshaft, flywheel and clutch assembly, clutch slave cylinder and master cylinder, pedal set, interior trim pieces. > > You can research this conversion at the mercedesshop.com diesel forum. I originally advertised this kit for too much money and have more than halfed my price. Delivery available. $300. Call me anytime at 650-347-1542. > > Matt Petty > > ------------------------------------------------- > > -- > Kevin Pekarek > Redwood City, CA (near San Francisco) and > Los Osos, CA (near San Luis Obispo) > 85 190D (601, 5spd) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 17:50:05 -0800 From: Kevin Pekarek Subject: Re: [db] [kevin-at-punk.net: Mercedes diesel 4 speed conversion kit 123 chassis - $300 (San Mateo)] On Thu, Nov 13, 2003 at 07:57:07PM -0500, Jim Steere wrote: > Keep in mind, guys....that to use this setup with a 5-cylinder, the shift > rods and driveshaft will have to be shortened. > > Been there. Not that I'd do this myself, but how well does it work behind a 617? K - -- Kevin Pekarek Redwood City, CA (near San Francisco) and Los Osos, CA (near San Luis Obispo) 85 190D (601, 5spd) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 00:03:00 -0300 From: ron Subject: Re: [db] Re: [MB] Let There Be More Light - 1993 300E My mailbox was recently graced by a missive from Robert Chase who wrote: > The french drive with yellow headlamps for a reason :) They did, but no longerhave to; white lights are legal in France now. Cheers, Ron. - -- Conscience is the inner voice that warns us somebody may be looking. -- H.L. Mencken -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 05:23:38 -0500 From: Robert Chase Subject: Re: [db] Re: [MB] Let There Be More Light - 1993 300E Thats true, I have driven a few friends cars with real xenons and was rather unimpressed. The limitation of lighting technology is not the lightbulb its the driver coming the other way that cant see because you can :). Xenons are a marketing gimick in my opinion. The major expense involved with xenons are the optics and leveling mechanisms that give a flat beam projected out a great distance from the car. The Blue lights are just so people can show off how much they paid for their cars. People will rarely shell out $400-600 without some type of prestige factor. My 1982 Vintage H4 vintage European lamps light the road a LOT better than some brand new cars. Xenons do have an edge over my headlights as I really like the "flat shelf" light pattern they have. BUT that is due to the expensive optics in the light assembly and not the light tempature of the bulb they use. Robert Chase ron wrote: > My mailbox was recently graced by a missive > from Robert Chase who wrote: > > >>The french drive with yellow headlamps for a reason :) > > > They did, but no longerhave to; white lights are legal in France now. > > Cheers, > > Ron. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 08:14:27 -0500 From: "J.B. Hebert" Subject: Re: [db] Turning the engine With 20+ to 1 compression, you will not be able to turn the engine over by the pulley. There is not enough of a mechanical advantage. Get a breaker bar or large socket wrench and a 27mm socket. Put the socket on the crank pulley nut and turn. Make sure you only turn the motor in the direction it turns when running. J.B. At 07:43 PM 11/13/2003 -0500, you wrote: >1977 300D, 123 chassis. > >Trying to change transmission fluid, first time for me. I need to rotate >crankshaft until drain plug shows up. How do you rotate the engine by hand. >I tried to move pulleys and crankshaft by grabbing and moving. No go. Car >runs fine. Tried it with tranny in neutral, no go by hand. What am I doing >wrong? > >Cheers >Tom Scordato Bellefonte, PA ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 07:52:12 -0600 From: Jan Guthrie Subject: [db] Can anyone please do Carfax for me?? Thanks to a wonderful lister on the Diesel-Benz list, I found someone to check out this wagon in RI for me ... Is there anyone that could run a Carfax for me? WDBAB93A3DN016174 I would like to see if it really just moved to RI from Arizona. Thank you ... Jan Jan Guthrie wrote: WDBAB93A3DN016174 $:0^0:$x,88,x$:0^0:$x,88,x$:0^0:$x,88,x$:0^0:$x$:0^0:$x,88,x$: Jan Jan Guthrie Yacht Brokerage jan-at-buy-a-boat.com 262-553-1998 http://www.buy-a-boat.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 09:32:24 -0500 From: "J.B. Hebert" Subject: RE: [db] Turning the engine I tried this a couple times. After a half hour with no success, I went to the breaker bar. I was concerned that constantly bumping it over with the starter will most likely put unwanted wear on the ring teeth and starter motor. But sometimes you'll get lucky and the plug will already be in the right position. J.B. At 07:28 AM 11/14/2003 -0600, you wrote: >Just use the starter to bump it over until the plug is in the correct >position. > >Thomas E. Potter >Williams Gas Pipeline >2800 Post Oak Boulevard >Houston, TX 77056 >Telephone: (713) 215-2877 >Fax: (713) 215-2551 >Mobile: (832) 794-0536 >-----Original Message----- >From: J.B. Hebert [mailto:jhebert-at-wrxtra.com] >Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 7:14 AM >To: Tom Scordato >Cc: diesel-benz-at-digest.net >Subject: Re: [db] Turning the engine > >With 20+ to 1 compression, you will not be able to turn the engine over by >the pulley. There is not enough of a mechanical advantage. Get a breaker >bar or large socket wrench and a 27mm socket. Put the socket on the crank >pulley nut and turn. Make sure you only turn the motor in the direction it >turns when running. > >J.B. > >At 07:43 PM 11/13/2003 -0500, you wrote: > >1977 300D, 123 chassis. > > > >Trying to change transmission fluid, first time for me. I need to rotate > >crankshaft until drain plug shows up. How do you rotate the engine by hand. > >I tried to move pulleys and crankshaft by grabbing and moving. No go. Car > >runs fine. Tried it with tranny in neutral, no go by hand. What am I doing > >wrong? > > > >Cheers > >Tom Scordato Bellefonte, PA ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 10:32:39 -0500 From: "J.B. Hebert" Subject: Re: [db] Turning the engine Certain items like the timing chain are designed to go one way, due to tensioner design and the like. Turning the motor backwards can potentially disrupt the preload of the tensioner on the chain, or cause excessive chain lash during the next startup. Also, my guess would be that as certain parts wear in, they get "happy" going in one direction and turning the motor the other way could cause problems. Just a guess, though. :) J.B. At 08:56 AM 11/14/2003 -0500, you wrote: >What happens if you go the wrong way? I've heard that before and practice >it, but I've wondered what you would hurt. Just curious.... > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "J.B. Hebert" >To: "Tom Scordato" >Cc: >Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 8:14 AM >Subject: Re: [db] Turning the engine > > > > With 20+ to 1 compression, you will not be able to turn the engine over by > > the pulley. There is not enough of a mechanical advantage. Get a breaker > > bar or large socket wrench and a 27mm socket. Put the socket on the crank > > pulley nut and turn. Make sure you only turn the motor in the direction >it > > turns when running. > > > > J.B. > > > > At 07:43 PM 11/13/2003 -0500, you wrote: > > >1977 300D, 123 chassis. > > > > > >Trying to change transmission fluid, first time for me. I need to rotate > > >crankshaft until drain plug shows up. How do you rotate the engine by >hand. > > >I tried to move pulleys and crankshaft by grabbing and moving. No go. >Car > > >runs fine. Tried it with tranny in neutral, no go by hand. What am I >doing > > >wrong? > > > > > >Cheers > > >Tom Scordato Bellefonte, PA ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 12:40:39 -0600 From: Jan Guthrie Subject: [db] No TD for Jan this time .... Thanks to all who helped and offered to help ....... After promising to sell me his car, the seller sold it to someone else ..... The right car will come........... Thanks again to all. - -- $:0^0:$x,88,x$:0^0:$x,88,x$:0^0:$x,88,x$:0^0:$x$:0^0:$x,88,x$: Jan Jan Guthrie Yacht Brokerage jan-at-buy-a-boat.com 262-553-1998 http://www.buy-a-boat.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 06:45:00 +0000 From: Richard Welty Subject: [db] administrivia: notes on using this list Digest.Net mailing list "Meta FAQ" These general notes on using Digest.Net mailing lists are posted on the 1st and 15th of each month. 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