From owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Sun Nov 23 21:23:17 2003 From: diesel-benz-digest diesel-benz-digest Saturday, November 22 2003 Volume 01 : Number 1298 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: [db] Pictures of my project car that is for sale. [db] More Information on my 1983 300D turbo RE: [db] Popular Mechanics RE: [db] Popular Mechanics RE: [db] Popular Mechanics RE: [db] Popular Mechanics [db] Service Manual For Sale Re: [db] Pictures of my project car that is for sale. Re: [db] Pictures of my project car that is for sale. Re: [db] US Vs Europe Glow Plugs Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 17:01:40 -0800 From: john meister Subject: Re: [db] Pictures of my project car that is for sale. out in the boonies... west of Seattle on the Olympic Pennisula... a good hour to an hour and a half from Seattle... (Mainly because of the ferry, or the drive around through Tacoma)... john Eric -at- Morrell Printing Solutions wrote: > Where is the car? > > Eric > > On Wednesday, November 19, 2003, at 04:33 PM, derick-at-amburgey.us wrote: > >> Here are the pictures of the 83 300d turbo. >> >> >> http://webpages.charter.net/derickam/My300/ >> >> $900 > > - -- - ------------------------------------------------------------------ john at http://wagoneers.com from Snohomish,WA- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... reminding you not to leave life w/o Jesus! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 18:21:45 -0800 From: "DerickAA" Subject: [db] More Information on my 1983 300D turbo I have received lot of questions.. For those who missed my first posting here it is again. Fellow List members, Due to an immanent change of living situation I must part with my project car. It is a 1983 300D Turbo. The place I will be moving to will not have room for all my vehicles so I must sell the car. It runs and will not need to be towed all I need for it is $900 (or equivalent see below). This will help cover the new windshield, front-end alignment, brakes and various parts put into the car. I would like to see it go to a fellow lister who could use it or use the car for parts. Pictures here: http://webpages.charter.net/derickam/My300/ LOCATION: Port Orchard WA 98366 Here is a description: Color inside and out is Gold. Paint has sun damage hood, roof and trunk. Some parking lot dings. Dings on either side of the hood. Needs new hood hinges _ I have the hinges the hood might be repairable. Needs new oil/temp/fuel gauge _ I have a used one Needs rear passenger side hub _ I have a used hub assembly Needs work on the vacuum system. Needs work on the turbo _ turbo spins freely may be ALDA related. (I will include a spare turbo charger that also spins freely) Needs driver side front carpet(s) I have a carpet but it is a different color. Power steering system has a leak. What has been done to date: It was driven from San Diego to Port Orchard WA. (Approx 1200 miles) New windshield. New front brakes and sensors. Front end alignment. New tires. New motor mounts. New belts. New regulator. New battery. One new oil cooler line. A/C system still has a charge. Plus you get all the spare parts I have. For $900 You can pay cash or credit card through my Paypal account (accepting trades also). Any questions Please ask. If you want to talk to me over the phone email me and I will give you my number. I hate losing this car but life has thrown me another curve ball and something has to give. I had every intention of restoring and keeping it. I am up for wheeling and dealing also. Do not be afraid to be creative. I also have a 88 XJ laredo and a VW diesel pickup and would be willing to trade 2 for 1 or whatever. Other items of trading interest would be Ham radio gear, roll away tool chest TIG welder, plasma cutter, honda generator good quality moutain bike. You get my drift. I need a net loss of 1 car how ever I get to that is fine. If I can get $900 or an equivalent I will be happy. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 19:35:23 -0700 From: scott_haaland-at-agilent.com Subject: RE: [db] Popular Mechanics How much glycerin do you end up with for say 50 gallons of biodiesel? Looks like it's worth it's weight, if you could find some glycerin supplier who wants additional sources...maybe it would even fund the processing costs... http://www.chemistrystore.com/glycerin.htm 56815-1 1 gallon $16.25/gal $16.25/gal 56815-5 5 gallon pail $15.40/gal $77.00 per pail 56815-55 55 gallon drum $11.50/gal $632.50 per drum If only we could make biodiesel from yam oil :) http://ca.store.yahoo.com/cranberrylane/soapmaking-supplies-liquids-glycerin.html Glycerin 125ml SP-GLY125$2.65 Glycerin 500ml SP-GLY500$4.95 Glycerin 1L SP-GLY1L$7.95 Glycerin 4L SP-GLY4L$25.50 But seriously, has anyone put some thought into what it would take to start a business that produces biodiesel? Is there enough of a market? Are there licenses or other certs needed from the govt? It seems to me that if you can sell it for even 75% of the cost of regular diesel (hopefully a lot less), most diesel drivers would be interested in using it. I guess it would be fairly expensive to distribute...set up gas stations, etc... Maybe you could focus on supplying large trucking companies only at first or maybe farmers? Deliver it right to their depot...hmmmm....my dad used to order 1500 gallons at a time from the local fuel supplier and they delivered it to some tanks at our farm...I'll bet if he could have bought fuel for 50% or 75% of the cost, he would have ordered it from someone else. ;) Scott - -----Original Message----- From: Jim Hoffman [mailto:jslash-at-execpc.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 12:46 PM To: Mike Frank; diesel-benz-at-digest.net Subject: Re: [db] Popular Mechanics Try to convince my wife to make boutique soaps?? ;) She has a few freinds who run these nik-nak shops... One of these ladys has to be interested in making her own soap! I hope? ;) Jim/ > I've thought about doing this, but what will you do with the glycerin? > > Mike Frank > > At 03:25 PM 11/19/2003, Jim Hoffman wrote: > >I'll *brew* the stuff in my garage (I can heat my garage ;) and > >see how it works. If it works well I'll brew more. If not Hans > >will not be happy with me ;) > - -- Jim Hoffman Oconomowoc WI '39 Allis Model B '53 Ford Golden Jubilee '?? Bolens Huskie Gardener ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 21:43:49 -0500 From: "J.B. Hebert" Subject: RE: [db] Popular Mechanics I know that near me there are numerous biodiesel co-ops and filling stations. I'm sure on the West Coast there has to be even more. The problem is, the biodiesel is usually much more expensive because of the limited quantity produced. If one had a means of distributing it through standard gas stations (which would never happen), the volume consumed would go up because it would be more convenient, which means the productions costs would likely drop to something below the price of regular diesel fuel. It might happen someday, but not if the oil companies can stop it. J.B. >But seriously, has anyone put some thought into what it would take to >start a business that produces biodiesel? Is there enough of a >market? Are there licenses or other certs needed from the govt? It seems >to me that if you can sell it for even 75% of the cost of regular diesel >(hopefully a lot less), most diesel drivers would be interested in using >it. I guess it would be fairly expensive to distribute...set up gas >stations, etc... Maybe you could focus on supplying large trucking >companies only at first or maybe farmers? Deliver it right to their >depot...hmmmm....my dad used to order 1500 gallons at a time from the >local fuel supplier and they delivered it to some tanks at our farm...I'll >bet if he could have bought fuel for 50% or 75% of the cost, he would have >ordered it from someone else. > >;) >Scott > >-----Original Message----- >From: Jim Hoffman [mailto:jslash-at-execpc.com] >Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 12:46 PM >To: Mike Frank; diesel-benz-at-digest.net >Subject: Re: [db] Popular Mechanics > > >Try to convince my wife to make boutique soaps?? ;) She has >a few freinds who run these nik-nak shops... One of these ladys >has to be interested in making her own soap! I hope? ;) > >Jim/ > > > I've thought about doing this, but what will you do with the glycerin? > > > > Mike Frank > > > > At 03:25 PM 11/19/2003, Jim Hoffman wrote: > > >I'll *brew* the stuff in my garage (I can heat my garage ;) and > > >see how it works. If it works well I'll brew more. If not Hans > > >will not be happy with me ;) > > > >-- >Jim Hoffman >Oconomowoc WI >'39 Allis Model B >'53 Ford Golden Jubilee >'?? Bolens Huskie Gardener ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 20:49:30 -0600 From: "Alec Cordova" Subject: RE: [db] Popular Mechanics > But seriously, has anyone put some thought into what it would > take to start a business that produces biodiesel? Is there > enough of a market? Are there licenses or other certs needed > from the govt? It seems to me that if you can sell it for even > 75% of the cost of regular diesel (hopefully a lot less), most > diesel drivers would be interested in using it. I guess it would > be fairly expensive to distribute...set up gas stations, etc... > Maybe you could focus on supplying large trucking companies only > at first or maybe farmers? Deliver it right to their > depot...hmmmm....my dad used to order 1500 gallons at a time from > the local fuel supplier and they delivered it to some tanks at > our farm...I'll bet if he could have bought fuel for 50% or 75% > of the cost, he would have ordered it from someone else. > > ;) > Scott > But when you buy diesel for a big tank on the farm, you don't have to pay most of the taxes that contribute mightily to the $1.50-ish a gallon pump price. That means the biodiesel has to come in that much cheaper. Alec ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 21:57:07 -0500 From: Mike Frank Subject: RE: [db] Popular Mechanics If you make it for yourself, the regulators look the other way. If you are part of a coop, you're still fine. If you do it as a business, then you will have to comply with all the regs and pay the tax. As for the oil companies, they could care less. They know they will be out of petro sooner or later, and biodiesel fits their production and distribution methods better than the alternatives. Produced in any reasonable quantity, bio fuels are vastly more expensive than petroleum. This is one case where economy of scale works in reverse. Mike Frank ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 15:14:17 +0000 From: ensch1-at-comcast.net Subject: [db] Service Manual For Sale I have a good condition Mercedes Benz of North America, Inc. Service Manual Diesel Engines 602, 603 S-2517-091 and new head cover gasket for a 190D 2.5 P/N A 602 016 02 21. $50 + shipping or best offer. Steve 248-890-9898 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 10:20:19 -0600 From: "Black, Waylon" Subject: Re: [db] Pictures of my project car that is for sale. Guessing Northern California? Waylon Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 16:41:33 -0700 From: Eric -at- Morrell Printing Solutions Subject: Re: [db] Pictures of my project car that is for sale. Where is the car? Eric On Wednesday, November 19, 2003, at 04:33 PM, derick-at-amburgey.us wrote: > Here are the pictures of the 83 300d turbo. > > > http://webpages.charter.net/derickam/My300/ > > $900 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 09:10:19 -0800 From: john meister Subject: Re: [db] Pictures of my project car that is for sale. a little further north... by two states... ;) think Puget Sound, Seattle, ferries, snow covered mountains to the west, the the east, to the north, to the south, volcanoes... lattes, seafood, bad traffic... :) john Black, Waylon wrote: >Guessing Northern California? > >Waylon > > >Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 16:41:33 -0700 >From: Eric -at- Morrell Printing Solutions >Subject: Re: [db] Pictures of my project car that is for sale. > >Where is the car? > >Eric > >On Wednesday, November 19, 2003, at 04:33 PM, derick-at-amburgey.us wrote: > > > >>Here are the pictures of the 83 300d turbo. >> >> >>http://webpages.charter.net/derickam/My300/ >> >>$900 >> >> > > > - -- - ------------------------------------------------------------------ john at http://wagoneers.com from Snohomish,WA- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... reminding you not to leave life w/o Jesus! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 08:03:12 -0800 From: Greg Fiorentino Subject: Re: [db] US Vs Europe Glow Plugs At 06:58 PM 11/13/03 , ron wrote: >My mailbox was recently graced by a missive >from Jim Hoffman who wrote: > > > After replacing numerous US made glow plugs in my 240D, I came to > > the conclusion that half the price equates to MUCH less that half > > the life of the plug! If it don't say BERU or Bosch on them, I > > won't waste my time putting them in. :( > >Same experience here in Paraguay, where the spares dealers have kindly >advised >me to buy the German plugs, even though they may be dearer, since buying US >ones would cause me to return to his shop in a short time, malcontent, to >tell him some unpleasant things he would rather not hear. > >Cheers, > >Ron the Frog, on the banks of the Parguay River. >1979 300D Some of the US boxes actually contain BERU glow plugs. I was lucky to find some such at Autozone here in Vancouver for my 6.9 F-350, at reasonable prices. Greg Greg Fiorentino Vancouver USA gfior-at-dslnorthwest.net '86 300SDL Turbo '84 300D Turbo '79 300TD '85 F-350 6.9 crew cab ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #1298 **********************************