From owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Mon Dec 1 12:03:52 2003 From: diesel-benz-digest diesel-benz-digest Monday, December 1 2003 Volume 01 : Number 1304 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: [db] OT - ebay items [db] OT - Mac trouble - first the oven, then the 300d, now the PowerPC... :( Re: [db] OT - Mac trouble - first the oven, then the 300d, now the PowerPC... :( [db] administrivia: notes on using this list [db] Re: OT - Mac trouble [db] administrivia: Digest.net contributions [Fwd: Re: [MB] Re: [db] 240D question] Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 01:05:17 -0800 From: john meister Subject: [db] OT - ebay items been cleaning out my office... :) carport's next... http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/dieseljohn/ john - -- - ------------------------------------------------------------------ john at http://wagoneers.com from Snohomish,WA- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... reminding you not to leave life w/o Jesus! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 20:00:03 -0800 From: john meister Subject: [db] OT - Mac trouble - first the oven, then the 300d, now the PowerPC... :( If blowing up ovens and 124's wasn't enough... I've moved into the realm of damaging a Mac! (actually my wife did it, sort of...) We've got an old G3 Power PC running Mac OS 10.2.8, 366Mhz, 384M Ram, 20 gig drive, works quite well, er, worked quite well. My wife logged in and there was a s/w update. She was surfing ebay so I selected install and let it run in the background... The wife finished surfing and put the computer to sleep... yikes!!! Problem was it was wanting to be restarted after the upgrade... I woke it up... then hit restart, we left... wife came in today wanting to get on the mac... it won't come up... rebooted... several times... unplugged, let it sit, tried booting with a CD, then fingers on every special key combination I could think of... no happiness... I am concerned that the sleep before restart on an update confused the poor thing ... was this just a vectoring of probabilities that resulted in operator head space and hardware failure concurrently??? Is this then end of the Mac experience in Snohomish??? If so, then my question is will SUSE 8.2 personal work on the PowerPC? :) Or is there some way of recovering the Mac by some button sequence on startup? (I may yank the 80g IDE drive out of my USB 2.0 enclosure and borrow someones Mac OS 10.x disks and rebuild the system... I love the fact that I can rip MP3's on the Mac! If I can get some open source s/w for my Linux system I can let the Mac RIP. ;) MLC - taking my 124 ('91 300d 2.5L TD) to a friend's shop this week to plug into his computer, LW it won't result in additional smoke... :) If I get the ASD working then all that's left is the heat pump thing and my Benz is perfect, oh yeah, except for that one floor mat... still haven't figured out what my daughter stepped in... In the meantime I've got SUSE 9.0 Server running on an "Iwill" cube (2gig/256M/120g drive -) and still using winxp on my sony vaio r505dl as I slowly migrate my activities to the Linux system... (need to setup Thunderbird on the Linux system like I have it here on my pc.) BTW, any other teachers out there using blackboard learning system? I'm taking a course for on-line teaching at city-u and am about three weeks behind... the way they're presenting it makes it seem rather confusing and overly-complex... I need the KISS method... ;) hey, I got the parts and fixed the oven Friday... rethawing the Turkey... ;) another random thought... what distribution of Linux does support that PowerPC? :) The mac interface and implementation (aka Darwin Kernel) is a bit goofy for my tastes... on the other hand I do like the MP3 feature and the fact that my wife almost understands the mac... (she's really quite intelligent, just not computer literate...) diesel on... dieseljohn - -- - ------------------------------------------------------------------ john at http://wagoneers.com from Snohomish,WA- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... reminding you not to leave life w/o Jesus! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 23:14:31 -0500 From: Robert Chase Subject: Re: [db] OT - Mac trouble - first the oven, then the 300d, now the PowerPC... :( John, Don't do it. I have tried the PPC variants of linux and was very dissapointed. A Mac should have an OS that takes advantage of its specialized hardware. Most linux variants are hack jobs at best. A $299 PC will run linux better than your Mac. Try resetting your PRAM Control Apple P R when you reboot. If that does not work open up your mac and there is a microswitch (Called the CUDA switch for those trivia buffs) that will allow you to do a hard reset of the open firmware system (it should be near the battery on your yikes logic board). In a lot of cases system updates change variables in open firmware or prepare it for firmware updates. If this does not get you back online let me know. Robert Chase john meister wrote: > If blowing up ovens and 124's wasn't enough... I've moved into the realm > of damaging > a Mac! (actually my wife did it, sort of...) > We've got an old G3 Power PC running Mac OS 10.2.8, 366Mhz, 384M Ram, 20 > gig drive, > works quite well, er, worked quite well. My wife logged in and there > was a s/w update. She > was surfing ebay so I selected install and let it run in the background... > The wife finished surfing and put the computer to sleep... yikes!!! > Problem was > it was wanting to be restarted after the upgrade... I woke it up... > then hit restart, we left... > > wife came in today wanting to get on the mac... it won't come up... > rebooted... several times... > unplugged, let it sit, tried booting with a CD, then fingers on every > special key combination I could think of... > no happiness... I am concerned that the sleep before restart on an > update confused the > poor thing ... was this just a vectoring of probabilities that resulted > in operator head space > and hardware failure concurrently??? Is this then end of the Mac > experience in Snohomish??? > > If so, then my question is will SUSE 8.2 personal work on the PowerPC? > :) Or is there > some way of recovering the Mac by some button sequence on startup? (I > may yank > the 80g IDE drive out of my USB 2.0 enclosure and borrow someones Mac OS > 10.x > disks and rebuild the system... I love the fact that I can rip MP3's on > the Mac! If I > can get some open source s/w for my Linux system I can let the Mac RIP. ;) > > MLC - taking my 124 ('91 300d 2.5L TD) to a friend's shop this week to > plug into > his computer, LW it won't result in additional smoke... :) If I get > the ASD working > then all that's left is the heat pump thing and my Benz is perfect, oh > yeah, except for > that one floor mat... still haven't figured out what my daughter stepped > in... > In the meantime I've got SUSE 9.0 Server running on an "Iwill" cube > (2gig/256M/120g drive - tim allen grunt here>) and still using winxp on my sony vaio r505dl as I > slowly migrate my activities > to the Linux system... (need to setup Thunderbird on the Linux system > like I have it here on my pc.) > > BTW, any other teachers out there using blackboard learning system? > I'm taking a course for > on-line teaching at city-u and am about three weeks behind... the way > they're presenting it makes it > seem rather confusing and overly-complex... I need the KISS method... ;) > > hey, I got the parts and fixed the oven Friday... rethawing the > Turkey... ;) > > another random thought... what distribution of Linux does support that > PowerPC? :) The > mac interface and implementation (aka Darwin Kernel) is a bit goofy for > my tastes... on the > other hand I do like the MP3 feature and the fact that my wife almost > understands the mac... > (she's really quite intelligent, just not computer literate...) > > diesel on... > dieseljohn ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 06:45:01 +0000 From: Richard Welty Subject: [db] administrivia: notes on using this list Digest.Net mailing list "Meta FAQ" These general notes on using Digest.Net mailing lists are posted on the 1st and 15th of each month. 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Steve... this is a mac... a used mac... an old used (up) mac, paid all of a hunnert bucks for it... ;) btw, that holding the "C" key thing down worked... it booted to the cdrom... verified that the disk is ok... reset the root passwd (since I forgot it) and everything seems to check out... rebooting... we'll see... if that doesn't work I'll reinstall the OS now that I know how, thanx to my friends on the internet. ;) well, hasn't come up yet, will try the install routine, hopefully it won't wipe all the apps & files... (if it behaves like UNIX it won't) thanx. john - -- - ------------------------------------------------------------------ john at http://wagoneers.com from Snohomish,WA- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... reminding you not to leave life w/o Jesus! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 08:40:00 +0000 From: Richard Welty Subject: [db] administrivia: Digest.net contributions 4 times a year, this message is sent to the lists on digest.net. Readers of these lists are asked to think about how much value they place on these lists, and whether they might want to make a small contribution to help fund the further operation and management of the lists. There are no paid subscriptions to these lists, and never will be. Contributions are strictly voluntary. For more details, see the following web page: http://www.digest.net/digest-contribution.html A copy of this message may be found on the web at: http://www.digest.net/contribution-message.txt ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 12:00:57 -0800 From: john meister Subject: [Fwd: Re: [MB] Re: [db] 240D question] - -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [MB] Re: [db] 240D question Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 19:42:47 +0200 From: Clive Liddell To: mercedes list , , References: <200311280124.hAS1MUg3025539-at-yeti.rmsolo.org> <3FC6CE02.7000603-at-650dialup.com> Hi Gerry, John and the other 3 people in US with manual transmissions, When replacing my slave cylinder I found that a simple gravity arrangement syphoning out of the bottle and into the bleed nipple of the slave cylinder worked OK if a bit slower than an "assisted" method. I suspended the bottle of fluid as high as convenient - mine was about 2.5m high. HTH Regards Clive Liddell South Africa '91 W124 230E - ----- Original Message ----- From: Gerry Visel To: Sent: Friday, November 28, 2003 6:24 AM Subject: Re: [MB] Re: [db] 240D question - -- - ------------------------------------------------------------------ john at http://wagoneers.com from Snohomish,WA- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... reminding you not to leave life w/o Jesus! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #1304 **********************************