From owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Mon Dec 29 00:59:12 2003 From: diesel-benz-digest diesel-benz-digest Monday, December 29 2003 Volume 01 : Number 1326 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: [db] adventures with Diesels... Re: [db] adventures with Diesels... Re: [db] selling my '91 300d Re: [db] selling my '91 300d [db] Ed Wallace's Column Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 21:24:56 -0800 From: john meister Subject: [db] adventures with Diesels... Looked at the 2nd Jeep... it looks nice, but in the WJ realm it has a couple of strikes against it, which means I can almost afford it. :) It's got the I-6 instead of the 4.7L V8... it's the Laredo and it's got 125,000 miles on it... hmmm... that's three strikes isn't it? Could this be a sign? ;) Also, the same mileage that the '96 XJ I drove today that sprung a leak... wonder what will happen on the test drive with the '99 WJ... The other sign that the '96 xj wasn't for me is that the wife told me I'd be driving the old Jeep... :) Let's see, do I want to drive a '91 300d or an '87 cherokee... hmmm.... depends on if it's snowing or if I have to pull a trailer... ;) Actually the '87 is pretty amazing... 247,000 miles on the original engine/trans, gets around 16 in town and over 21 on the highway with 31" tires and 3" of lift... it's tired, but it's doing quite well... one would think it had a Mercedes Diesel engine in it already as long as that 4.0L has gone... :) The 300d is doing fine... but I found out that if you leave the rear window defroster on, charge your cell phone, listen to the stereo and play with the electric windows and sunroof for just over an hour in 40 degree weather that your 2.5L Diesel probably won't start on it's own without a jump... oops. :) Didn't realize my wife had been shopping for that long... she shouldn't leave me unsupervised for that long... (neither should she let me in costco by myself... but that's another story. ;) It's funny how the older I get the more supervision I require. ;) Oh, as far as the 3.0L Diesel transplant into my XJ, it's closer to reality then ever before... it looks like I'm going to buy Derick's 300D, we just have to figure out how to get it off the pennisula and over here before the tabs expire... I'm waiting to see if the car is worth putting together as a daily driver, using it on a Wagoneer chassis or just parting it out and keeping the engine for my Jeep. :) The engineering challenge isn't terrifying... will need an adapter to mate the Aisin Warner AW4 to the 3.0L... not sure if the flex plate on the 3.0L will work or not... the other issue with the AW4 is computer controlled... I've got a schematic for a manual override... Fitting the 3.0L into the XJ bay will be a no-brainer. Connecting the exhaust will be a little bit involved since the exhaust on the XJ dumps on the driver's side, last I looked the turbo lived on the pass side... oh well, that's why Airport Welding located at the bottom of the hill from me... :) Stay tuned... who knows what else I'll think up before the next digest rolls out... :) later, john - -- ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** john-at-wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. ** trust Jesus ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 00:01:38 -0600 From: Jon Filina Subject: Re: [db] adventures with Diesels... John wrote: > Looked at the 2nd Jeep... it looks nice, but in the WJ realm it has a > couple of strikes against it, which means I can almost afford it. :) [munch..munch... Yo, Alec! Ya want some more popcorn??] > Let's see, do I want to drive a '91 300d or an '87 cherokee... hmmm.... [This is too good!] > The 300d is doing fine... but I found out that if you leave the rear > window defroster on, charge your cell phone, listen to the stereo and > play with the electric windows and sunroof for just over an hour in 40 > degree weather that your 2.5L Diesel probably won't start on it's own > without a jump... oops. :) Didn't realize my wife had been shopping for > that long... she shouldn't leave me unsupervised for that long... > (neither should she let me in costco by myself... but that's another > story. ;) It's funny how the older I get the more supervision I require. ;) [OH BOY! A side story....] > Stay tuned... who knows what else I'll think up before the next digest > rolls out... :) [Alec, who's bring the refreshments? This popcorn is making my mouth dry] [munch...munch. Let's see...is this chapter 3 or 4? Fritz, 300SD, 190D and now 300D...That would make it Episode Four! Are we allowed to have this much fun on the list???] Jon '84 300SD "Bruno" He's a fan of "As the wrench turns".... ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 01:14:59 -0500 From: Robert Chase Subject: Re: [db] selling my '91 300d John, They changed the seat design on those cars towards the end of production. Perhaps you could find a wrecked later model and get the nicer seats out of it? Robert Chase john meister wrote: > you guys crack me up... :) > > test drove a super clean '96 xj today... the hose blew on > the freeway... I walked away... > > my wife wants me to keep the Benz because of the mileage... I said you > going to ride in it to Portland? (she doesn't like the seats)... she > said yes... > > I've got one more Jeep to look at... :) > > As the wheels turn... ;) > > later, > john > > Alec Cordova wrote: > >> Jon's got the popcorn covered, I've been volunteered for lawn chair >> duty, we >> just need a volunteer to bring beverages, and we got us a superb holiday >> show! ;-) >> >> Alec >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net >> [mailto:owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net]On Behalf Of Jon Filina >> Sent: Saturday, December 27, 2003 4:39 PM >> To: diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net; mercedes-at-mercedeslist.com >> Subject: Re: [db] selling my '91 300d >> >> >> Mista Meister proclaimed: >> >> >>> I've decided to sell the 300d. >>> It's a great car, excellent condition... beautiful... >>> but it's just not me... :) >> >> >> >> OH BOY!! Yo, Alec, he's doin' it again! I'll get the popcorn, >> you bring the chairs. >> >> >>> I got a Jeep book for Christmas... I prefer a Jeep, >>> I can take one apart and put it back together, parts >>> can be fabricated from paper clips, duct tape and chewing >>> gum and not detract from the appearance, utility or value. >> >> >> >> Who says that "brand loyalty" is dead?? How long has it been since you >> could trot down to your local Staples or 7-11 and pick up the parts to >> put your trusty wheels back on the road? >> >> >>> This 300d "only" has 180,000 miles... lots of life left, but >>> I need to sell this thing before I break anything else... :) >> >> >> >> John, I was starting to get depressed with the thought that you'd >> finally found the MB of your dreams. Santa wasn't particularly good to >> me this year, but you might just have given me the best present of all. >> I can now look forward to yet another "reality internet" experience >> of you wringing your hands over the decision to part with, or not part >> with, your current MB. >> >> This may just be a special occasion. In addition to the lawn chairs >> provided by Alec Cordova, I may have to order some popcorn balls from >> The Humphrey Company and reminisce about the days at Euclid Beach Park, >> on the east side of Cleveland. It's been shut down since the late >> '60's, but was one of the best amusement parks ever built. While I read >> about your flip-flopping on your decision, I can remember the Flying >> Turns, The Thriller and Laughing Sal. If things get slow, I'll head >> over to the horse shoe pits and watch the old timers get a ringer every >> time. >> >> For you non-Clevelander's, google "Euclid Beach Park". It was an >> amusement park patterned after Coney Island and was the highlight of the >> summer when I was growing up. If you're in the 50+ crowd, it is sure to >> bring back some memories of similar parks in your area. >> >> >>> I like this car, but this will most likely be my last >>> Mercedes. >> >> >> >> I think I've heard that a few times before... >> >> >>> However, I will probably be looking for a Mercedes >>> turbo Diesel to reengine my '87 Cherokee. >> >> >> >> I KNOW I've hear that MANY times before... >> >> >>> I love the >>> engines but it's the climate control and central locking >>> systems and cruise control and so on that drive me >>> buggy. If only Rube Goldberg hadn't been on the design >>> team... :) >> >> >> >> Wait a holdit! I've said that several times too.... >> >> >> >>> The 124 is a superb chassis, very impressed by it... looking >>> at the pictures and driving the car makes it hard to do this... >>> and hey, if it doesn't sell, I'll just have to "suffer"... ;) >> >> >> >> AND, we'll "suffer" with ya.. >> >> The popcorn's on the way....anyone got a toothpick?? >> >> Jon >> '84 300SD "Bruno" Unaware of John's decision.... ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 10:21:38 -0800 From: john meister Subject: Re: [db] selling my '91 300d be hard to find the heated seats though... but it's a thought... john Robert Chase wrote: > John, > > They changed the seat design on those cars towards the end of > production. Perhaps you could find a wrecked later model and get the > nicer seats out of it? > > Robert Chase > > > john meister wrote: > >> you guys crack me up... :) >> >> test drove a super clean '96 xj today... the hose blew on >> the freeway... I walked away... >> >> my wife wants me to keep the Benz because of the mileage... I said you >> going to ride in it to Portland? (she doesn't like the seats)... she >> said yes... >> >> I've got one more Jeep to look at... :) >> >> As the wheels turn... ;) >> >> later, >> john >> >> Alec Cordova wrote: >> >>> Jon's got the popcorn covered, I've been volunteered for lawn chair >>> duty, we >>> just need a volunteer to bring beverages, and we got us a superb holiday >>> show! ;-) >>> >>> Alec >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net >>> [mailto:owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net]On Behalf Of Jon Filina >>> Sent: Saturday, December 27, 2003 4:39 PM >>> To: diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net; mercedes-at-mercedeslist.com >>> Subject: Re: [db] selling my '91 300d >>> >>> >>> Mista Meister proclaimed: >>> >>> >>>> I've decided to sell the 300d. >>>> It's a great car, excellent condition... beautiful... >>>> but it's just not me... :) >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> OH BOY!! Yo, Alec, he's doin' it again! I'll get the popcorn, >>> you bring the chairs. >>> >>> >>>> I got a Jeep book for Christmas... I prefer a Jeep, >>>> I can take one apart and put it back together, parts >>>> can be fabricated from paper clips, duct tape and chewing >>>> gum and not detract from the appearance, utility or value. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Who says that "brand loyalty" is dead?? How long has it been since you >>> could trot down to your local Staples or 7-11 and pick up the parts to >>> put your trusty wheels back on the road? >>> >>> >>>> This 300d "only" has 180,000 miles... lots of life left, but >>>> I need to sell this thing before I break anything else... :) >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> John, I was starting to get depressed with the thought that you'd >>> finally found the MB of your dreams. Santa wasn't particularly good to >>> me this year, but you might just have given me the best present of all. >>> I can now look forward to yet another "reality internet" experience >>> of you wringing your hands over the decision to part with, or not part >>> with, your current MB. >>> >>> This may just be a special occasion. In addition to the lawn chairs >>> provided by Alec Cordova, I may have to order some popcorn balls from >>> The Humphrey Company and reminisce about the days at Euclid Beach Park, >>> on the east side of Cleveland. It's been shut down since the late >>> '60's, but was one of the best amusement parks ever built. While I read >>> about your flip-flopping on your decision, I can remember the Flying >>> Turns, The Thriller and Laughing Sal. If things get slow, I'll head >>> over to the horse shoe pits and watch the old timers get a ringer every >>> time. >>> >>> For you non-Clevelander's, google "Euclid Beach Park". It was an >>> amusement park patterned after Coney Island and was the highlight of the >>> summer when I was growing up. If you're in the 50+ crowd, it is sure to >>> bring back some memories of similar parks in your area. >>> >>> >>>> I like this car, but this will most likely be my last >>>> Mercedes. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> I think I've heard that a few times before... >>> >>> >>>> However, I will probably be looking for a Mercedes >>>> turbo Diesel to reengine my '87 Cherokee. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> I KNOW I've hear that MANY times before... >>> >>> >>>> I love the >>>> engines but it's the climate control and central locking >>>> systems and cruise control and so on that drive me >>>> buggy. If only Rube Goldberg hadn't been on the design >>>> team... :) >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Wait a holdit! I've said that several times too.... >>> >>> >>> >>>> The 124 is a superb chassis, very impressed by it... looking >>>> at the pictures and driving the car makes it hard to do this... >>>> and hey, if it doesn't sell, I'll just have to "suffer"... ;) >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> AND, we'll "suffer" with ya.. >>> >>> The popcorn's on the way....anyone got a toothpick?? >>> >>> Jon >>> '84 300SD "Bruno" Unaware of John's decision.... > > - -- ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** john-at-wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. ** trust Jesus ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- The revolt is underway, the penguin is coming... I can hear the slap of his little feet... (using Mozilla Thunderbird on SUSE 9.0 Linux... and loving it...) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 02:59:51 -0600 From: Jon Filina Subject: [db] Ed Wallace's Column This week's column from Ed Wallace was about Studebaker. As usual, it's automotive history from a different perspective. I thought it was rather interesting: > http://www.dfw.com/mld/dfw/business/columnists/ed_wallace/7550947.htm Jon '84 300SD "Bruno" ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #1326 **********************************