From owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Sun Jan 4 10:17:34 2004 From: diesel-benz-digest diesel-benz-digest Sunday, January 4 2004 Volume 01 : Number 1332 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: [db] check this out... [db] [MB] W123s in the snow [db] Re: [MB] Reflective Triangle in W123s - also 124's! [db] Re: [MB] W123s in the snow Re: [db] Re: [MB] W123s in the snow Re: [db] Complete SD engine in Elizabeth City, NC for $200 Re: [db] Re: [MB] W123s in the snow [db] Re: GLOWPLUG PROBLEMS MB 240D, 1977 Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2004 11:22:53 -0800 From: john meister Subject: Re: [db] check this out... Jeeps I know how to lift... Mercedes... that's a different story... air bags, coil inserts, spaces under the springs work ok on cars... john Eric Ditwiler wrote: > Way Cool! > Answered my spring question: There are two flavors of rear springs: > red for those of us in the first world and red for "countries with poor > road conditions" Maybe our friend with a high riding 123 coupe has the > blue springs? Anybody know how to adjust these rubber mounts (pn > 115.325.22 (or 23 or 24).44)? > I'd like to jack mine up before adding the second tank. > > Thanks for posting this! > > On Monday, December 29, 2003, at 09:26 PM, john wrote: > >> http://skinnerbox.steaky.org/123_DISK2/program/123-cd-index.html >> >> enjoy, >> john >> >> ---- >> >> ----------------------------------------------------------------------- >> -- >> ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** >> Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. >> ----------------------------------------------------------------------- >> -- > > - -- ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** john-at-wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. ** trust Jesus ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- win, mac & linux: http://www.mozilla.org/products/thunderbird/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2004 12:43:24 -0800 From: john meister Subject: [db] [MB] W123s in the snow Nate, You need to move further north... roads are clear up here in Snohomish. On the 123, they are very well balanced and do quite well with studded snows on all four corners. I wouldn't recommend putting chains on... too much damage can result to the car if they come loose. I'd never put them on the front as you're likely to damage a brake line or tangle it up in the front sway bar... Besides, around here you only need some help to get to the main roads, since '85 the only time I've had to use 4x4 on an Interstate was back in '96. :) Studs aren't something you want to run all the time up here either... kind of a pain 95% of the time here... I have seen those clamp on plastic chain things, you mount an adapter on your rims and then clamp those plastic "chains" on when you need them, I think they'd even work ok on the front. A lot less trouble then chains. My wife just hijacked the Jeep and headed out to the mall(s)... I have to leave for work in a bit and have to take my 124 out there... :) The other night that we had snow the 124 ('91 300d) did remarkably well coming up the hill out of the Bothell area by Canyon Park, not sure if you know where the Home Depot is over by I-405/522, but back up in there heading up 228th or something like that is a very steep hill... I decided to try it, even with the ASD kaput... I was breaking fresh snow and only slipping every now and then... The combination of the balance of the 124 and the Diesel low end torque w/o the radical wheel spin up if you break loose I was able to make it to top w/o problems. I have brand new BFG Traction T/A's and they work great... but for ice if it's your only rig get a set of studded tires. I had a set for Fritz, my '81 300d and that worked great. I was really impressed with how well the 123 did even up and down hills. Not sure why I ventured out in the Benz when I had three Jeeps at the time... Over in Europe I'd see Mercedes and BMWs up in the Alps heading to the ski resorts. I drove my '71 BMW 2500 around Frankfurt with no snow tires... that was interesting... those cobblestone streets have some serious crown. I'd let the clutch out and be pointed toward the middle of the road and I hadn't even touched the gas. :) With the hills we have out here if it's your only mode of transportation, I'd recommend getting studded tires... not so much for getting started, but for stopping... I fear going downhill, especially after that little picket fence episode with Old Blue in the driveway... :) Hoping for more snow tonight... :) (I need to get my ASD fixed before the winter is all gone... the latest we've had snow up here is March...) john > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Nate Christian" > To: > Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 1:48 PM > Subject: [MB] W123s in the snow > >>> What's the best technique people have found for driving W123s in the snow? >>> I'm iced in here for the second day now and missing work due to the car's >>> tendency to fishtail. I tried driving today and it was apparent after >>> getting a couple miles from home that I could not keep that car on the road. >>> I parked it and walked back, afraid of the icy downhill drive back home. I >>> was thinking that I could chain front AND rear and put some weight in the >>> trunk. Would that do it? I'm not dealing with a ton of snow here either, >>> but there is icy conditions on the road. Just curious about people's >>> experiences driving these cars in these cars in the winter. >>>>>> Snowed in, >>>>>> Nate Christian >>> Bellevue, WA - -- ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** john-at-wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. ** trust Jesus ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- win, mac & linux: http://www.mozilla.org/products/thunderbird/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2004 12:58:15 -0800 From: john meister Subject: [db] Re: [MB] Reflective Triangle in W123s - also 124's! Steve, Thanx, looks like it shouldn't be too much trouble to set that up. I can just notch my lid liner so I retain it and fabricate a catch or get that part they mention. I'll take pictures when I do it since it appears that most Benz are setup to do this. Almost all the cars I saw in Europe either had a toolkit or a warning triangle mounted on the lid. Guess I'm going to keep the 300d... got a call from city u last week they need me to teach a class down in Renton on Wed's and one in Northgate on Sat's... lots of miles... :) Since I'm working again I guess I'm going to get the ASD fixed by a shop, little time to t-shoot right now... will be great to have that 300d at 100% again. :) john meister 1991 300d 2.5L Turbo Diesel (Shadowfax) 1987 Jeep Cherokee - 247k on original driveline others, at hidden locations across washington state: 1983 J10 stepside ('96 4.0L conversion in process) (SuperDawg) 1975 J10 - trailer (to match SuperDawg - w/hydraulic dump) 1979 J10 Golden Eagle (for sale) 1967 J100 Panel (Rambo) 1983 300d - coming soon... (organ donor for the '87 xj ?? :) Steve Nervig wrote: > > john meister wrote: > >> If there is a way of attaching my warning triangle to the trunk >> lid on my '91 300d I'd like to do it... my trunk lid has a >> shell/fabric/carpet over the inside though... not sure if I'll >> be able to modify it to hold the triangle. >> >> john meister > > > Yes, John, apparently there is. See page 2 of this mercedesshop.com > thread. > s=cb5122df8ddf9ffb26adb881def4d853&threadid=44097&perpage=15&highlight=t > riangle&pagenumber=1> > > Steve Nervig > Seattle > 1979 240D Josephine (with triangle) > 1990 300E Emma > 1992 300CE Sportline Sophie > > 1985 K100RT > > - -- ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- * john-at-wagoneers.com * Snohomish, WA USA - http://wagoneers.com where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. ** trust Jesus ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- win, mac & linux: http://www.mozilla.org/ the new alternatives - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2004 13:02:40 -0800 From: john meister Subject: [db] Re: [MB] W123s in the snow One other thought.... If you put weight in the back, put it RIGHT OVER the rear axle, or as close as possible... If you have it too far back and you start to slide or oversteer you'll not like the resulting action... :) I'm glad we don't use salt on the roads here... sand is bad enough. Salt is just wrong... it destroys vehicles and can't be that good for the environment either... doesn't it do bad things to soil and grass??? john - -- ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- * john-at-wagoneers.com * Snohomish, WA USA - http://wagoneers.com where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. ** trust Jesus ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- win, mac & linux: http://www.mozilla.org/ the new alternatives - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2004 16:08:53 -0800 From: Greg Fiorentino Subject: Re: [db] Re: [MB] W123s in the snow At 01:02 PM 1/2/04 , john meister wrote: >I'm glad we don't use salt on the roads here.... Not so fast John... http://www.wsdot.wa.gov/biz/maintenance/htm/salt.htm Greg Fiorentino Vancouver USA gfior-at-dslnorthwest.net '86 300SDL Turbo '84 300D Turbo '79 300TD '85 F-350 6.9 crew cab ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 20:14:41 -0500 From: "Marc Zylka" Subject: Re: [db] Complete SD engine in Elizabeth City, NC for $200 Kevin, thanks for the info. My 4.0L in the '89 XJ is doing quite well at the moment although it does have an oil leak that is dripping on the exhaust (need to check on this soon). If don't currently have the facilities to attempt this type of build. My next garage should be better equipped in a couple of years. Marc Zylka Haw River, NC '83 300D Turbo 315k miles - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Pekarek" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2003 4:35 PM Subject: Re: [db] Complete SD engine in Elizabeth City, NC for $200 > In theory, the swap shouldn't be THAT odd. You'd need to use an 87 or later > XJ to get more space under the hood. Probably the easiest way would be > to use the benz engine and transmission, and use a divorced transfercase, > either a big ol honkin NP unit from a 70s ford truck, or perhaps one of the > divorced setups from an 80s G-wagen. > > The divorced setup would involve redoing driveshafts, but I'd imagine that's > easier than making the benz transmission into a 4x4 version. I suppose great > creativity with a drill and a hunk of metal could make an adapter for the > AW4 to the benz engine (which would leave the rest of the drivetrain the > same). > > The powerband of the 617 should be around the same as the 4.0L, so you > shouldn't need to regear or change torque converter pitch. If you went with > the jeep transmission/etc, I'd probably move the engine forward to fit the > adapter plate as opposed to trying to move everything back (and having to > redo the driveshafts). The old AMC six was pretty heavy, but I'd imagine the > 617 is heavier - you'll probably need to beef up the springs a bit, or find > an XJ with a sagging rear :-) > > K > > -- > Kevin Pekarek > Redwood City, CA (near San Francisco) and > Los Osos, CA (near San Luis Obispo) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2004 23:53:55 -0800 From: john meister Subject: Re: [db] Re: [MB] W123s in the snow tell me it's not so... :) actually, reading the fine print it's just in a few places over in Eastern Washington... phew... SuperDawg is safe. :) Greg Fiorentino wrote: > At 01:02 PM 1/2/04 , john meister wrote: > >> I'm glad we don't use salt on the roads here.... > > > Not so fast John... > > http://www.wsdot.wa.gov/biz/maintenance/htm/salt.htm > > > Greg Fiorentino > Vancouver USA > gfior-at-dslnorthwest.net > > '86 300SDL Turbo > '84 300D Turbo > '79 300TD > '85 F-350 6.9 crew cab > -- ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- * john-at-wagoneers.com * Snohomish, WA USA - http://wagoneers.com where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. ** trust Jesus ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- win, mac & linux: http://www.mozilla.org/ the new alternatives - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2004 10:18:14 -0800 From: john meister Subject: [db] Re: GLOWPLUG PROBLEMS MB 240D, 1977 Not sure what the problem is... when you say round thing in the engine, was that the glow plug or the precombustion chamber? All the glow plugs are new? Is the wiring touching the block? Is the large 50A fusible link for the glow plugs intact, it may be in a plastic housing, trace the wires... Is the relay for the glowplugs working? Is the little glow indicator in the dash working( I'm assuming that you have another glow plug in a shielded housing on the dash, at least that's the way my '75 240D was... I could be wrong on this). I'm forwarding this to the Diesel-Benz list, you might want to get on this list for further help. john meister Thomas Aaeng wrote: Thomas Aaeng > Hello! > > Just took over this car, and I have some problems. > One of the glowplugs were not intact. This round thing > inside the engine was broken/burned of. Replaced all > the plugs. Was pulling out the lever for preglowing - > the light came on for 2 seconds, then died. > Checked the nearest plug to the relay, and it was cut > off again! Tried one more time - same result. > The power was measured to 12,8 V in the plug when > trying to start.. > (The relay-fuse is not broken) > > Could you plaese help me with a good answer? > > Thanks a lot > Thomas > Nye ikoner og bakgrunner, webkamera med superkvalitet og dobbelt se morsom > - -- ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- * john-at-wagoneers.com * Snohomish, WA USA - http://wagoneers.com where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. ** trust Jesus ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- win, mac & linux: http://www.mozilla.org/ the new alternatives - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #1332 **********************************