From owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Thu Jan 15 17:26:49 2004 From: diesel-benz-digest diesel-benz-digest Friday, January 16 2004 Volume 01 : Number 1342 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: [db] the badge showed up today... [db] Re: [MB] Difference between ASD and ASR? Re: [db] Ooops :) Re: [db] Re: [MB] the badge showed up today... RE: [db] Ooops :) Re: [db] Ooops :) Re: [db] Ooops :) RE: [db] Ooops :) Re: [db] Ooops :) [db] Re: [MB] Difference between ASD and ASR? RE: [db] Ooops :) Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 00:25:43 -0800 From: john meister Subject: Re: [db] the badge showed up today... called mercedes toll free, they sent the form, took it to the dealer, svc mgr signed it, mailed it in, they mailed the badge... NO cost... john Marc Zylka wrote: > Hello John, how did you get the badge? > > Marc Zylka > '83 300D Turbo, 315+k miles > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "john meister" > To: "'Diesel Benz'" ; "ml" > > Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 1:59 AM > Subject: [db] the badge showed up today... > > > >>mounted the 250,000 km badge on the front of my '91 300d today... hides >>the broken part of the grille perfectly. :) >> >>john >>-- >> ---- >>------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>* john-at-wagoneers.com * Snohomish, WA USA - http://wagoneers.com >>where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. ** trust Jesus ** >>------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> win, mac & linux: http://www.mozilla.org/ the new alternatives >>------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > - -- ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- * john-at-wagoneers.com * Snohomish, WA USA - http://wagoneers.com where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. ** trust Jesus ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- win, mac & linux: http://www.mozilla.org/ the new alternatives - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 00:31:57 -0800 From: john meister Subject: [db] Re: [MB] Difference between ASD and ASR? excellent description... one thing I found quite disturbing with the ASD is that when it engages it usually causes the back end to slide out when going through a corner or starting out while turning... in a way it's kind of cool... but also kind of unpleasant... It would be nice to be able to disengage it... other then permanetly like I did by jumpstarting a friend... ;) john Message: 10 Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 08:48:46 -0700 From: Stu Ritter Subject: Re: [MB] Difference between ASD and ASR? >>Hi list, >>In the MB world of acronyms, what is the difference between ASD (anti slip differential?) and ASR? I think ASR keeps the rear wheels from slipping during hard acceleration but if so, what does ASD do? >>TIA, >>Sergio >> First, we'll straighten out the acronyms. ASD = Automatic Speer (locking or limited slip) Differential ASR = Automatic Slip Regulation. Sort of self explanitory. ASD is an automatic limited slip system with zero percentage slippage. Most LS diffs have a certain percentage of lock up. The ASD is 100% locked when it is engaged. Engine torque is delivered equally to both back wheels no matter what is slipping. ASR is a control system that activates the brake on the spinning wheel and depending upon conditions, reduces engine power output until the slip stops. There are several stages in the ASR activation which occur in milliseconds and are transparent to the driver. does that cover it? Stu - -- ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- * john-at-wagoneers.com * Snohomish, WA USA - http://wagoneers.com where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. ** trust Jesus ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- win, mac & linux: http://www.mozilla.org/ the new alternatives - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 04:09:45 -0500 From: Robert Chase Subject: Re: [db] Ooops :) Sam, The Salvation Army is not a charity in my book. They are an organized religion who works for the greater good of mankind without using it as chance to shove their point of view down your throat. Perhaps they might be a little weird to some people In some ways I think they are really the only truly good people out there in the world. My dad told me a story about some kind of disaster he was involved with (I forget the details really) and the Red Cross was out on the scene selling donuts and coffee (for a small donation of course) until the Salvation Army rolled up and started giving away full meals and even warm dry clothing to the people who needed them. Charitys in general have CEO's and high paid executives and an entorage of people paid to waste donation money with un needed salaries so the higher ups can manage their pie in the sky ideas while the people they are "trying to help" get less of the donation money. Nothing annoys me more than to see my money wasted on limo service and chartered jets for a bunch of empty headed stuffed shirts. Robert Chase Sam Williams wrote: >Robert, > >Not all charities are that evil. Salvation Army (for whom I do computer >work) is very frugal with administrative costs. They agonize over how to >control costs while maintaining an organization large enough to be of most >benefit to the greatest number of clients. Even the best charities don't >always get it right. Red Cross recently blew it. But, as individuals, few >of us could muster a field hospital, tons of blankets, tents, food, and >organize the people to distribute them, within hours, to earthquake or other >disaster victims. There are very necessary administrative costs to do that. > >Sam > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net] On >Behalf Of Robert Chase >Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 8:47 PM >To: Kevin Pekarek >Cc: 'Diesel Benz' >Subject: Re: [db] Ooops :) > >I recognize "charities" for what they are. Legalized rip offs. Most >charitys absorb a HUGE amount of money for administration purposes and >very little towards their causes. If you want to do something for >society do it directly. If you want to do something for charity and pay >all of the salaries of the people in the food chain before a penny of >your money goes to your cause donate to charities. > > >Kevin Pekarek wrote: > > > >>On Wed, Jan 14, 2004 at 05:09:00PM -0500, Robert Chase wrote: >> >> >> >> >>>Whell its good to see the "car donation" people with a big problem. >>> >>>http://money.cnn.com/2004/01/14/pf/taxes/donations/index.htm?cnn=yes >>> >>> >>> >>> >>Yeah. Definately interesting, to say the least. Don't know that I'd >> >> >consider > > >>that an oops, more likely something that is going to end up hurting the >>charities more than anything - it's basically money they weren't going to >> >> >get > > >>if there wasn't that tax advantage. >> >>K ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 04:54:53 -0500 From: Robert Chase Subject: Re: [db] Re: [MB] the badge showed up today... john meister wrote: > I wonder how many GAS Mercedes make > it up over the 200,000 mile mark w/o rebuilts, heads or other major > service... Im on a 126 list and from what I understand the gas engines are built just as well. I have looked at several SL's in their early 200's that run fine and have had complete service records indicating no major engine work. The general vibe I get from the gasser MB owners is they have more "little problems" like hessitation and running problems than the diesels do. As well the later model "computer controlled" engines can be a bit troublesome from time to time. The other day I saw a 124 chassis car on the side of the road with a for sale sign on it and took a look at it. It was beat to hell and looked like it had been used for dual duty Valet parking and student driving parellel parking training. I looked at the odometer and saw 386k on the clock. I thought to myself "I love diesels" then went around the back of the car and saw the E badge rather than the D. Of course they may have had an engine or two but it proved to me "A Mercedes is a Mercedes" Of course a Mercedes is always a Mercedes but its important to always refer to this checklist :) http://www.mbz.org/info/fun/jalopy/ Robert Chase ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 07:13:46 -0500 From: Mike Frank Subject: RE: [db] Ooops :) I saw quite a bit of disaster relief going on after the WTC disaster. The Salvation Army was on the spot, with food and water for relief workers. They set up a registration station for people hunting for people. Good folks. Red Cross was a total rip off. Collected blood all over the country, little was needed for the victims. Collected a billion dollars, spent less than half. Of the donations I made in those weeks, the Red Cross is the only one I regret. Mike Frank At 11:22 PM 1/14/2004, Sam Williams wrote: >Robert, > >Not all charities are that evil. Salvation Army (for whom I do computer >work) is very frugal with administrative costs. They agonize over how to >control costs while maintaining an organization large enough to be of most >benefit to the greatest number of clients. Even the best charities don't >always get it right. Red Cross recently blew it. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 11:39:46 -0500 From: "Black, Waylon" Subject: Re: [db] Ooops :) I have to agree even though I participate with the Dallas Can Academy. Talking with the guys of the DCA - they pull in an average of 500K-700K a weekend. That figure does not include the cash donations. They add so many 'fees' to the purchase price just to pad the bottom line. It's just hard to beat the prices. Waylon Black Little Elm, Texas Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 21:46:39 -0500 From: Robert Chase Subject: Re: [db] Ooops :) I recognize "charities" for what they are. Legalized rip offs. Most charitys absorb a HUGE amount of money for administration purposes and very little towards their causes. If you want to do something for society do it directly. If you want to do something for charity and pay all of the salaries of the people in the food chain before a penny of your money goes to your cause donate to charities. Kevin Pekarek wrote: ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 15:24:50 -0500 From: Robert Chase Subject: Re: [db] Ooops :) Yeah, Im thinking of dabbling in the auto auction thing. Anybody know of any good ones in the Atlanta area? Im lucky as not many people from around here have a big desire for diesel powered Mercedes cars. Robert Chase Black, Waylon wrote: >I have to agree even though I participate with the Dallas Can Academy. > >Talking with the guys of the DCA - they pull in an average of 500K-700K a >weekend. That figure does not include the cash donations. > >They add so many 'fees' to the purchase price just to pad the bottom line. >It's just hard to beat the prices. > >Waylon Black >Little Elm, Texas > >Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 21:46:39 -0500 >From: Robert Chase >Subject: Re: [db] Ooops :) > >I recognize "charities" for what they are. Legalized rip offs. Most >charitys absorb a HUGE amount of money for administration purposes and >very little towards their causes. If you want to do something for >society do it directly. If you want to do something for charity and pay >all of the salaries of the people in the food chain before a penny of >your money goes to your cause donate to charities. > > >Kevin Pekarek wrote: ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 15:43:31 -0500 From: "Black, Waylon" Subject: RE: [db] Ooops :) Diesels are overlooked here, too. On my meager salary, I'm trying to decide how to buy the: 300CD turbo for $740(200K miles) 85 300SD - $600 84 300D - $800 79 300D - this one I am getting for $100. Silly kids keep insisting that they want to eat for the next 2 weeks. Waylon Black Little Elm, Texas - -----Original Message----- From: Robert Chase [mailto:beostar-at-sdf.lonestar.org] Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 2:25 PM To: Black, Waylon; 'Diesel Benz' Subject: Re: [db] Ooops :) Yeah, Im thinking of dabbling in the auto auction thing. Anybody know of any good ones in the Atlanta area? Im lucky as not many people from around here have a big desire for diesel powered Mercedes cars. Robert Chase Black, Waylon wrote: >I have to agree even though I participate with the Dallas Can Academy. > >Talking with the guys of the DCA - they pull in an average of 500K-700K a >weekend. That figure does not include the cash donations. > >They add so many 'fees' to the purchase price just to pad the bottom line. >It's just hard to beat the prices. > >Waylon Black >Little Elm, Texas > >Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 21:46:39 -0500 >From: Robert Chase >Subject: Re: [db] Ooops :) > >I recognize "charities" for what they are. Legalized rip offs. Most >charitys absorb a HUGE amount of money for administration purposes and >very little towards their causes. If you want to do something for >society do it directly. If you want to do something for charity and pay >all of the salaries of the people in the food chain before a penny of >your money goes to your cause donate to charities. > > >Kevin Pekarek wrote: ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 13:54:00 -0700 From: Eric -at- Morrell Printing Solutions Subject: Re: [db] Ooops :) Waylon - I'm in need of a good running engine to drop into my $400 '81 300D, there just aren't that many up here (Boulder, Colorado). Anyone one of those three you don't want to buy (and are great runners)? Eric On Jan 15, 2004, at 1:43 PM, Black, Waylon wrote: > Diesels are overlooked here, too. On my meager salary, I'm trying to > decide > how to buy the: > > 300CD turbo for $740(200K miles) > 85 300SD - $600 > 84 300D - $800 > 79 300D - this one I am getting for $100. > > > Silly kids keep insisting that they want to eat for the next 2 weeks. > > Waylon Black > Little Elm, Texas > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert Chase [mailto:beostar-at-sdf.lonestar.org] > Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 2:25 PM > To: Black, Waylon; 'Diesel Benz' > Subject: Re: [db] Ooops :) > > > Yeah, > > Im thinking of dabbling in the auto auction thing. Anybody know of any > good ones in the Atlanta area? Im lucky as not many people from around > here have a big desire for diesel powered Mercedes cars. > > Robert Chase > > > Black, Waylon wrote: > >> I have to agree even though I participate with the Dallas Can Academy. >> >> Talking with the guys of the DCA - they pull in an average of >> 500K-700K a >> weekend. That figure does not include the cash donations. >> >> They add so many 'fees' to the purchase price just to pad the bottom >> line. >> It's just hard to beat the prices. >> >> Waylon Black >> Little Elm, Texas >> >> Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 21:46:39 -0500 >> From: Robert Chase >> Subject: Re: [db] Ooops :) >> >> I recognize "charities" for what they are. Legalized rip offs. Most >> charitys absorb a HUGE amount of money for administration purposes and >> very little towards their causes. If you want to do something for >> society do it directly. If you want to do something for charity and >> pay >> all of the salaries of the people in the food chain before a penny of >> your money goes to your cause donate to charities. >> >> >> Kevin Pekarek wrote: ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 23:58:10 +0000 From: dieseljohn-at-comcast.net Subject: [db] Re: [MB] Difference between ASD and ASR? any chance of installing a switch to disable ABS too? Had a terrifying experience with it the other day... went through a light quickly, planned on braking hard then turning left... done it many times before in many vehicles, but ABS kicked in, felt like I had no brakes and I went furhter into the intersection then I had intended, recovered ok, but didn't like the effect... Frankly I think ABS is rather a rude feeling... I'd leave it on until I planned on doing something "drastic" though. john > > > excellent description... one thing I found quite disturbing with > > the ASD is that when it engages it usually causes the back end to > > slide out when going through a corner or starting out while > > turning... in > > a way it's kind of cool... but also kind of unpleasant... It would > > be nice to be able to disengage it... other then permanetly like I > > did by jumpstarting a friend... ;) > > > > john > > You could install a SPST switch (on-off) in series with any number of > things in the system to give you on-off control. Go to startekinfo.com > and study the system and electrical diagram. It will all become clear. > > Stu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 01:10:49 +0000 From: dieseljohn-at-comcast.net Subject: RE: [db] Ooops :) why is it that I'm tempted by the 300cd... :) I haven't dragged home the two projects I've already committed to... :) john > Diesels are overlooked here, too. On my meager salary, I'm trying to decide > how to buy the: > > 300CD turbo for $740(200K miles) > 85 300SD - $600 > 84 300D - $800 > 79 300D - this one I am getting for $100. > > > Silly kids keep insisting that they want to eat for the next 2 weeks. > > Waylon Black > Little Elm, Texas > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert Chase [mailto:beostar-at-sdf.lonestar.org] > Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 2:25 PM > To: Black, Waylon; 'Diesel Benz' > Subject: Re: [db] Ooops :) > > > Yeah, > > Im thinking of dabbling in the auto auction thing. Anybody know of any > good ones in the Atlanta area? Im lucky as not many people from around > here have a big desire for diesel powered Mercedes cars. > > Robert Chase > > > Black, Waylon wrote: > > >I have to agree even though I participate with the Dallas Can Academy. > > > >Talking with the guys of the DCA - they pull in an average of 500K-700K a > >weekend. That figure does not include the cash donations. > > > >They add so many 'fees' to the purchase price just to pad the bottom line. > >It's just hard to beat the prices. > > > >Waylon Black > >Little Elm, Texas > > > >Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 21:46:39 -0500 > >From: Robert Chase > >Subject: Re: [db] Ooops :) > > > >I recognize "charities" for what they are. Legalized rip offs. Most > >charitys absorb a HUGE amount of money for administration purposes and > >very little towards their causes. If you want to do something for > >society do it directly. If you want to do something for charity and pay > >all of the salaries of the people in the food chain before a penny of > >your money goes to your cause donate to charities. > > > > > >Kevin Pekarek wrote: ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #1342 **********************************