From owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Fri Jan 16 21:13:49 2004 From: diesel-benz-digest diesel-benz-digest Saturday, January 17 2004 Volume 01 : Number 1344 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: [db] Haynes MB Diesel book arrived... [db] Re: 240D ignition switch removal and replacement (again!) Re: [db] Ooops :) [db] removing 124 center vents [db] 240D ignition switch removal and replacement (again!) --- AND THE WINNER IS.... (are) Re: [db] 240D ignition switch removal and replacement (again!) --- AND [db] waxing Re: [db] Ooops :) Re: [db] need to wash my 300d... [db] oil problem [db] Glow plug light doesn't light anymore Re: [db] need to wash my 300d... Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 08:33:06 -0800 From: john meister Subject: Re: [db] Haynes MB Diesel book arrived... inside the back cover... john Jon Filina wrote: > Mista Meister writ: > >> The 123 series Haynes Diesel manual showed up today... bought it from >> a list member... thanx... >> >> what cracked me up is in the back there is full color picture of spark >> plugs... >> >> (remember, this is the DIESEL Haynes manual... :) > > > OK, I give up! I have the same manual (63012 (697) ) and don't see any > indication of spark plugs...whatever they are . ;-) > > I have never been a fan of Haynes manuals, but the 123 series diesels > ones are actually pretty good. > > All the years that I drove VW diesels, I swore by the Robert Bentley > manuals. They are the best DIY shop manuals I have ever seen. Haynes, > Chilton and even MB's manuals (on CD, at least) pale by comparison. > > Where are these things called spark plugs pictured in the manual you > have? Do ya think the Mar's rover will get pictures of something > similar??? > > ;-) > > Jon > '84 300SD "Bruno" "Spark plug" free for 20 years now... > - -- ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- * john-at-wagoneers.com * Snohomish, WA USA - http://wagoneers.com where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. ** trust Jesus ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- win, mac & linux: http://www.mozilla.org/ the new alternatives - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 10:37:33 -0600 From: flash Subject: [db] Re: 240D ignition switch removal and replacement (again!) Vernon - I just did this this summer. Bought a used steering lock/ignition switch from Jim Steere at msdra.com - give him a call. First, you gotta remove the under dash kick panels - several screws. Reach behind, pry from front the chrome surrounding the switch. Using straighten paperclip and key, stick key in, turn to hash mark 1, stick paperclip thru slot into hole exposed back of slot, then turn black outer ring counterclockwise off of the steering lock assembly. Removal of key cylinder is immediate - if I recall correctly. On my steering lock - I replaced the starter because it was no go, I thought. I tested it, but with a faulty remote starter switch, so I ass u me ed that it was the starter - NOT! So, that done, ready to drive but key would not start car, neither would remote switch. Fix remote, start car. Key would not turn far enough to toggle starter - it is a little spring loaded thingie back of the cylinder in the steering lock assembly. So, we (my son - I watched) removed the steering lock assembly from the steering column. Upon disassembly we found a broken piece of pot metal which meant new/used assembly was needed. Jim Steere got me that whole thing. In the mean time, I put the thing back together and drove the car without key start - used a screw driver - who would want to steal a 240D? It was a novel way to drive and then we put the thing back together. Bottom line - do the testing and make sure your test device is working properly. The steering lock assembly cost $50, the starter $160. Problems - the steering lock does not make proper connection to heater blower so I must jiggle the key in slot once engine is started so I can have heat - easy to manage. The starter from time to time will only spin but not throwing the solenoid - just do it again a couple times and it catches on 2nd try usually - easy to deal with for me in rusty chiTown area. Dan ChicagoArea > Would all ignition switch survivors please raise your hand? > > It appears that I need to replace it. I've only done this on American cars > which have an electrical module AND the "mechanical" module. > > Are the innards of a 123 car the same? > > Last night the car momentarily failed to start upon turning the key even > though it has a spankin' new starter, hot battery, clean wires, yada yada.. > > Metinks the culprit is surely the switch. In fact, it's had gremlins since > I've owned the car. > > All advice appreciated. Sagacious advice will win you an email gushing with > gratitude and replete with smiley faces. > > Gentlemen, start your guessing games... ;o)... > > VT > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 07:57:59 -0800 > From: "Jerry Kaidor" > Subject: Re: [db] 240D ignition switch removal and replacement (again!) > > > Last night the car momentarily failed to start upon turning the key even > > though it has a spankin' new starter, hot battery, clean wires, yada > yada.. > > > > Metinks the culprit is surely the switch. In fact, it's had gremlins > since > > I've owned the car. > > *** Did it fail to catch, or did it fail to crank? Before replacing the > switch, > I would do a cliplead test to make sure that the rest of the system will > crank. > > To replace the switch, you remove the steering wheel lock with switch > attached > through the front. This is a job that you MUST have the manual for - it all > comes apart like a chinese puzzle. OTOH, you only need three or four pages > of > manual, which somebody could easily email you.... > > - Jerry Kaidor ( jerry-at-tr2.com ) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 11:35:30 -0500 From: "Black, Waylon" Subject: Re: [db] Ooops :) There all great runners. Called on the 79 yesterday - it was crushed at the salvage yard. Did not even pull the engine or trans. :( The 84 300D is blue on blue. Possibly needs GP relay or GPs - current owner is starting it with ether(I told him to use WD-40 instead). At least he doesn't drive it much. Looks like I'm left with the other 2. Waylon Black(spent lots of time in Ft Collins while attending Wyoming Technical Institute) Little Elm, Texas Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 13:54:00 -0700 From: Eric -at- Morrell Printing Solutions Subject: Re: [db] Ooops :) Waylon - I'm in need of a good running engine to drop into my $400 '81 300D, there just aren't that many up here (Boulder, Colorado). Anyone one of those three you don't want to buy (and are great runners)? Eric On Jan 15, 2004, at 1:43 PM, Black, Waylon wrote: > Diesels are overlooked here, too. On my meager salary, I'm trying to > decide > how to buy the: > > 300CD turbo for $740(200K miles) > 85 300SD - $600 > 84 300D - $800 > 79 300D - this one I am getting for $100. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 08:40:21 -0800 From: john meister Subject: [db] removing 124 center vents I'm sending this to myself... ;) john Message: 11 Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 04:53:50 -0800 From: Steve Nervig Subject: Re: [MB] Removing W124 Center heating Vents On Jan 16, 2004, at 4:37 AM, Sergio Movsessian wrote: >> Hi list, >> The center (2) heating/cooling vents on my W124 are stuck. They move >> up/down but not side to side. Also, the round knob to open and close >> airflow, is also stuck (fortunately, open). >> How do I remove them? I see a 4 mm hex screw. Anything else have to >> come of? Don't find in the service manual. All I see there is the >> entire dash removal and I certainly want to avoid having to do that. >> Thanks, >> Sergio >> '95 E320 118.5K miles Here's what the wily George Murphy sez on the subject: How to Remove Dash Vents in Model W124 Models by George Murphy, Technical Committee Chairman, Director at Large LEFT & RIGHT VENTS: There are four spring clips that secure the vent to the dash. They are located inside the vent louver assembly. Using a flashlight, look inside the vent at the lower and upper surfaces - you'll see spring clips with a small hole just protruding above the surface of the vent - 2 on the bottom and 2 on the top. The trick is to use a small pointed tool inserted into the hole in the clip. Lift the clip upward (or downward for the upper ones) while applying an outward pulling force on the assembly - I use needle nose pliers padded with a cloth on the jaws so as not to mar the vent vanes. Don't pry against the dash - it's soft and can be torn or dented. Just maintain an outward pull on the assembly while you lift each spring clip in turn - the vent assembly will ease on out. It is then a simple matter to unplug the illumination bulb and replace it. DO NOT USE MORE THAN 0.4 WATT BULBS - the excess heat will distort the plastic bulb holder and make it impossible to ever get the bulb and socket out again. The correct bulb is part no. 000 825 00 99 - a tiny push-in type bulb with gray plastic sleeve and straight contacts. The bulb wattage is marked on the gray sleeve. CENTER OUTLET: In this case, first release the operating lever inside the vent using a metric Allen wrench (about 2 or 3 mm) to unscrew the flap link from the wheel. Shine a light inside the vent along the right side of the wheel - the Allen screw is visible inside - unscrew (turn counter-clockwise) the screw to release the link. On the right side, there is a Phillips-head screw accessible when the glove box door is open. As above, look inside for spring clips to retract that will allow the assembly to move outward. Use same size bulb as above. When re-assembling, after the unit is seated, re-attach the wheel link to the flap lever by engaging the Allen screw and rotating it clockwise. Tighten the screw only enough so that the wheel closes the vent with slight resistance. (If you over tighten it, you get to buy a new assembly...) - -- ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- * john-at-wagoneers.com * Snohomish, WA USA - http://wagoneers.com where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. ** trust Jesus ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- win, mac & linux: http://www.mozilla.org/ the new alternatives - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 10:44:52 -0600 From: "Vernon Tuck" Subject: [db] 240D ignition switch removal and replacement (again!) --- AND THE WINNER IS.... (are) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) ;p) FLASH-at-MBZ.ORG with an additional big thankee to Jerry Kaidor... Manual? I don't need no stinkin' manual... I've got Flash's email how-to and a big screwdriver! This list is great! But only because of its members!!! VT ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 12:00:26 -0500 From: "Jim Hoffman" Subject: Re: [db] 240D ignition switch removal and replacement (again!) --- AND Is the job done already?? Jim/ ;) > FLASH-at-MBZ.ORG with an additional big thankee to Jerry Kaidor... > > Manual? I don't need no stinkin' manual... I've got Flash's email how-to > and a big screwdriver! > > This list is great! But only because of its members!!! > > VT ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 12:57:54 -0500 From: "S.D.Byers" Subject: [db] waxing Whatever temperature it was this morning, probably below -12 C, causes a 1:3 mix of soybean oil and diesel to wax up. The 1:3 mix has been good down to -10 so far. I got started and drove but lost power with fuel starving from filter clogging I thinkclear the filters. Luckily I had only half a tank left so I made it to the shell down the road clear the filters and topped up with diesel. After a bit more running to melt the wax in the filters and mix up the stuff in the tank I was fine. Hence I have around 1:6 or so in there now and it is going OK. OM617 non-turbo. This means I should accelerate the twin tank plus fuel heater project. I already have my return line jacked into the pickup line before the filters, rather than going back to the tank, and I think that has proven helpful. I will refine this as I go on...... SDB ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 13:44:49 -0700 From: Eric -at- Morrell Printing Solutions Subject: Re: [db] Ooops :) Let me know if you decide you can't take 'em both. . . can't wait to get my hands on an engine for mine. Eric On Jan 16, 2004, at 9:35 AM, Black, Waylon wrote: > There all great runners. > > Called on the 79 yesterday - it was crushed at the salvage yard. Did > not > even pull the engine or trans. :( > > The 84 300D is blue on blue. Possibly needs GP relay or GPs - current > owner > is starting it with ether(I told him to use WD-40 instead). At least he > doesn't drive it much. > > Looks like I'm left with the other 2. > > Waylon Black(spent lots of time in Ft Collins while attending Wyoming > Technical Institute) > Little Elm, Texas > > Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 13:54:00 -0700 > From: Eric -at- Morrell Printing Solutions > Subject: Re: [db] Ooops :) > > Waylon - > > I'm in need of a good running engine to drop into my $400 '81 300D, > there just aren't that many up here (Boulder, Colorado). Anyone one of > those three you don't want to buy (and are great runners)? > > Eric > > On Jan 15, 2004, at 1:43 PM, Black, Waylon wrote: > >> Diesels are overlooked here, too. On my meager salary, I'm trying to >> decide >> how to buy the: >> >> 300CD turbo for $740(200K miles) >> 85 300SD - $600 >> 84 300D - $800 >> 79 300D - this one I am getting for $100. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 16:07:32 -0500 From: "Michael Aimino" Subject: Re: [db] need to wash my 300d... - -40F??? That's insane. We hit a low of -4F last night. The coldest I can remember is back in '76, we hit -20F. Froze the pipe coming from the well, power lines went down, etc. We all slept in the living room next to the fireplace. As it is, I went out this morning and found the dash is cracked on the 300D. Had to park it outside overnight. Just one more thing.... On 15 Jan 04, at 22:05, john meister wrote: > trust me... I know... I grew up in Northern Illinois and Wisconsin, my > frau is from South Dakota... we know what -40 degrees F is like... > > that's why we prefer to live where the sun doesn't shine... ;) > > john > > Michael Aimino wrote: > > Out in western PA, the mercury reads 3F. I don't know about #2 > > diesel, but the blood in my feet is turning to gel! > > > > On 15 Jan 04, at 21:50, einvolk wrote: > > > > > >>Well , > >> > >>I am in the Philly suburbs and it is getting close to zero. Perfect > >>weather to turn #2 into gel > >> > >> > >>Leo > >>On 15 Ean 2004, at 21:44, john meister wrote: > >> > >> > >>>at 50 degrees it's safe to hook up the hose here in Seattle... ;) > >>>now, just need to find the time... > >>> > >>>hey, I hear there's some cold weather back east?? Whazzthat all > >>>about? ;) > >>> > >>>john > >>>-- > >>> ---- > >>>------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>>- --- -- * john-at-wagoneers.com * Snohomish, WA USA - > >>>http://wagoneers.com where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. ** > >>>trust Jesus ** > >>>------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>>- --- -- > >>> win, mac & linux: http://www.mozilla.org/ the new alternatives > >>>------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>>- --- -- > >>> > >>> > >> > >>www.wildcelt.net > >>www.wildcelt.org > >>1981 300D NachtSchnecke (Slug) > >>1984 BMW 733i (FrauSchmidt) > >>1979 VW Beetle Convertible (EinVolk) > > > > > > -- > ---- > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > --- * john-at-wagoneers.com * Snohomish, WA USA - > http://wagoneers.com > where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. ** trust Jesus ** > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > --- > win, mac & linux: http://www.mozilla.org/ the new alternatives > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > --- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 17:35:32 -0500 From: "Michael Aimino" Subject: [db] oil problem Went to start my '79 300D a few minutes ago. Couldn't get her going - looks like the cold (4F) killed the battery. Anyway, I pushed her away from the garage and found a puddle of oil under her. Now this is a car that hasn't leaked a drop since I've had her (very unusiual for a diesel), so I investigated. Oil is seeping from the lid of the oil filter housing. Any ideas? Did the cold just shrink things, is there blockage, or something else? Thanks! Mike Aimino ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 20:32:15 -0800 From: jack tavares Subject: [db] Glow plug light doesn't light anymore Today the wife's 83 300D has a new problem. The glow plug light doesn't come on. The light came on this morning and car started fine. Light came on this afternoon and car started fine. She ran a bunch of errands and on the last 2 stops, while the car was still warm, the light did not come on. So, is this likely to be the glow plugs themselves? the relay? Is the relay easily accessible with out pulling apart a lot of stuff? how much would a relay run at a dealer? I dont have time to mail order this. Thanks - -- jack ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 20:54:46 -0800 From: john meister Subject: Re: [db] need to wash my 300d... I went back in the Army this day in January 1978... it was -35F in Sioux Falls, SD... the grease in the fan froze in my '68 Mustang... I turned on the defroster and nothing... slowly, painfully it started to turn... it was quite humorous... the transistor radio never sounded clearer and crisper either... no thermionic emission problem then... :) john Michael Aimino wrote: > -40F??? That's insane. We hit a low of -4F last night. The coldest I > can remember is back in '76, we hit -20F. Froze the pipe coming from > the well, power lines went down, etc. We all slept in the living room > next to the fireplace. > > As it is, I went out this morning and found the dash is cracked on > the 300D. Had to park it outside overnight. Just one more thing.... > > On 15 Jan 04, at 22:05, john meister wrote: > > >>trust me... I know... I grew up in Northern Illinois and Wisconsin, my >>frau is from South Dakota... we know what -40 degrees F is like... >> >>that's why we prefer to live where the sun doesn't shine... ;) >> >>john >> >>Michael Aimino wrote: >> >>>Out in western PA, the mercury reads 3F. I don't know about #2 >>>diesel, but the blood in my feet is turning to gel! >>> >>>On 15 Jan 04, at 21:50, einvolk wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>>Well , >>>> >>>>I am in the Philly suburbs and it is getting close to zero. Perfect >>>>weather to turn #2 into gel >>>> >>>> >>>>Leo >>>>On 15 Ean 2004, at 21:44, john meister wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>at 50 degrees it's safe to hook up the hose here in Seattle... ;) >>>>>now, just need to find the time... >>>>> >>>>>hey, I hear there's some cold weather back east?? Whazzthat all >>>>>about? ;) >>>>> >>>>>john >>>>>-- >>>>> ---- >>>>>------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>- --- -- * john-at-wagoneers.com * Snohomish, WA USA - >>>>>http://wagoneers.com where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. ** >>>>>trust Jesus ** >>>>>------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>- --- -- >>>>> win, mac & linux: http://www.mozilla.org/ the new alternatives >>>>>------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>- --- -- >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>www.wildcelt.net >>>>www.wildcelt.org >>>>1981 300D NachtSchnecke (Slug) >>>>1984 BMW 733i (FrauSchmidt) >>>>1979 VW Beetle Convertible (EinVolk) >>> >>> >>-- >> ---- >>---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>--- * john-at-wagoneers.com * Snohomish, WA USA - >>http://wagoneers.com >> where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. ** trust Jesus ** >>---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>--- >> win, mac & linux: http://www.mozilla.org/ the new alternatives >>---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>--- > > > > > - -- ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- * john-at-wagoneers.com * Snohomish, WA USA - http://wagoneers.com where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. ** trust Jesus ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- win, mac & linux: http://www.mozilla.org/ the new alternatives - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #1344 **********************************