From owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Mon Jan 26 08:11:28 2004 From: diesel-benz-digest diesel-benz-digest Monday, January 26 2004 Volume 01 : Number 1352 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: [db] Auditioning a 1985 300D Re: [db] Auditioning a 1985 300D [db] Thoughts on 87 300D 6cyl Re: [db] Thoughts on 87 300D 6cyl Re: [db] Thoughts on 87 300D 6cyl FW: [db] Thoughts on 87 300D 6cyl Re: [db] Thoughts on 87 300D 6cyl [db] New to diesels - 240D Re: [db] New to diesels - 240D Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 02:58:07 -0500 From: Robert Chase Subject: Re: [db] Auditioning a 1985 300D Heh heh, Whell.... Im not sticking my nose anywhere else someone has been sticking their backside for 20 some odd years :) Robert Chase Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: > its hard to explain, you can usually just tell by the look and feel > and smell of it. > > Robert Chase wrote: > >> So how does one know other than hacking out a sample with a pocket >> knife and looking for the suede or nylon mesh on the other side :) >> >> Robert Chase >> >> >> Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: >> >>> no, the pattern is the same >>> >>> Robert Chase wrote: >>> >>>> I have never seen a 123 with leather. Do they change the stitching >>>> like in the 126's? >>>> >>>> Robert Chase >>>> >>>> >>>> Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: >>>> >>>>> I have owned/seen many 123's with real leather. >>>>> >>>>> Robert Chase wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Richard Gilbert wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> (2) What are the odds the interior is tan leather, as opposed to >>>>>>> MBTek? The >>>>>>> owner claims it is leather, but I don't believe him -- nor do I >>>>>>> want to, as >>>>>>> I prefer the 'tek. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> Low to impossible. These cars dont even have power seats let >>>>>> alone leather. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 07:25:38 -0800 (PST) From: Jerome Kaidor Subject: Re: [db] Auditioning a 1985 300D Sam Williams wrote: > > You have to look at the seats. Some people can't tell the difference at > first glance; by second glance it should be obvious. > *** It's really simple: if the seats are cracked, it's leather - if they're perfect, it's MB-Tex :). - Jerry Kaidor ( jerry-at-tr2.com ) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 14:23:57 -0500 From: "John Peterson" Subject: [db] Thoughts on 87 300D 6cyl Does anyone on the board know the reliability history of the 6 cyl diesel found in the '87 124 Turbo 300TD? I have been looking for a 2.5 300TD for a reasonable price but can't find one (-7k) and there is an '87 for 5k but I don't know about the 6cyl 3.0 history. John Peterson Diesel Benzer to Be ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 14:17:03 -0800 From: john meister Subject: Re: [db] Thoughts on 87 300D 6cyl the 3.0L is ok, just don't overheat it... it's a spirited motor... :) I've got a '91 300d with the 2.5L TD. I test drove an '87, was fast... it's the 3.5L that you have to be very careful to avoid... john John Peterson wrote: > Does anyone on the board know the reliability history of the 6 cyl diesel > found in the '87 124 Turbo 300TD? I have been looking for a 2.5 300TD for a > reasonable price but can't find one (-7k) and there is an '87 for 5k but I > don't know about the 6cyl 3.0 history. > > John Peterson > Diesel Benzer to Be > - -- ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- * john-at-wagoneers.com * Snohomish, WA USA - http://wagoneers.com where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. ** trust Jesus ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- win, mac & linux: http://www.mozilla.org/ the new alternatives - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 16:21:16 CST From: acordova-at-texas.net Subject: Re: [db] Thoughts on 87 300D 6cyl > Does anyone on the board know the reliability history of the 6 cyl diesel > found in the '87 124 Turbo 300TD? I have been looking for a 2.5 300TD for a > reasonable price but can't find one (-7k) and there is an '87 for 5k but I > don't know about the 6cyl 3.0 history. > > John Peterson > Diesel Benzer to Be > The OM603 in 3.0 liter form is basically just as reliable as the beloved old OM617 5 cylinder it replaced. It is only in 3.5 liter form that the OM603 can be troublesome, and that displacement was never used in the W124 chassis. Last I knew, the premier independent MB mechanic in Austin, Ben Schotz, drove an 87 300D as his personal vehicle. Alec Cordova Taylor, Texas 89 300CE, 167K ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 08:48:23 +0800 From: "Carballo, Rico A." Subject: FW: [db] Thoughts on 87 300D 6cyl I have only heard wonderful things about the 300D 6-cyl turbo. Same engine, I believe, as the 300SDL. > > Does anyone on the board know the reliability history of > the 6 cyl diesel found in the '87 124 Turbo 300TD? I have > been looking for a 2.5 300TD for a reasonable price but > can't find one (-7k) and there is an '87 for 5k but I > don't know about the 6cyl 3.0 history. > > John Peterson > Diesel Benzer to Be ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 18:11:48 -0800 From: Greg Fiorentino Subject: Re: [db] Thoughts on 87 300D 6cyl At 11:23 AM 1/25/04 , John Peterson wrote: >Does anyone on the board know the reliability history of the 6 cyl diesel >found in the '87 124 Turbo 300TD? I have been looking for a 2.5 300TD for a >reasonable price but can't find one (-7k) and there is an '87 for 5k but I >don't know about the 6cyl 3.0 history. > >John Peterson >Diesel Benzer to Be I have an '86 SDL with this engine and am now somewhere at the low end of the learning curve. It has an aluminum alloy head, which will warp if overheated. Keep your hoses replaced if there is any doubt, and watch that temp gauge! It has hydraulic instead of mechanical lifters for valves. It is quieter and smoother than the 5 cyl. Greg Fiorentino Vancouver USA gfior-at-dslnorthwest.net '86 300SDL Turbo '84 300D Turbo '79 300TD '85 F-350 6.9 crew cab ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 14:44:36 +0800 From: "Carballo, Rico A." Subject: [db] New to diesels - 240D Hello, It's my first crack at an MB diesel, coming off 3 6-cyl MBs in the past. Diesel I now have is a Euro '79 240D auto trans with 130K Kms. Did an informal PPI with a trusted mechanic with the latter giving the nod on the car, most specially the engine. I know nothing about diesels, MB in particular, and would like to pose the following questions: 1. Coming off gas engines, the 240D is quite a snail. To get it to accelerate a bit, one needs to literally floor the pedal. I could not imagine that MB would sell a car with this kind of acceleration, even if it's a diesel. And flooring it is quite tiring for one's foot. Is this normal for a 240D? The car can eventually reach 140 kph, needing half of the freeway to do so. 2. More importantly, what tweaks can I do to improve engine performance? All I know is that the series glow plugs had been replaced only some 10K kms ago, so they should still be in good condition (no symptoms to prove otherwise). The usual valve clearance adjustments had been done a month ago. 3. PO's records show that oil and filter are changed every 5K kms, small fuel filter every 5K Kms and main fuel filter every 10K Kms. Looks to have been religiously maintained. Are the latter the correct maintenance intervals for the fuel filters? Thanks in advance for your replies. Rico '79 240D '71 280SE ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 06:10:04 -0800 From: Greg Fiorentino Subject: Re: [db] New to diesels - 240D At 10:44 PM 1/25/04 , Carballo, Rico A. wrote: >what tweaks can I do to improve engine performance? >All I know is that the series glow plugs had been replaced only some 10K >kms ago, so they should still be in good condition As far as the glow plugs, they will have no impact whatever on performance while running. They only are there for startup. Flooring the pedal to get good acceleration is normal with diesels, it is their weak suit. Tuning can be done to some extent above adjusting valve clearances, but I will leave the explanation to some of the more experienced listers. Greg Fiorentino Vancouver USA gfior-at-dslnorthwest.net '86 300SDL Turbo '84 300D Turbo '79 300TD '85 F-350 6.9 crew cab ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #1352 **********************************