From owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Tue Feb 10 12:51:09 2004 From: diesel-benz-digest diesel-benz-digest Tuesday, February 10 2004 Volume 01 : Number 1364 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: [db] plate mounting RE: [db] plate mounting RE: [db] plate mounting [db] turbo diesels to avoid? Re: [db] turbo diesels to avoid? RE: [db] turbo diesels to avoid? [db] Methinks...... Re: [db] Methinks...... Re: [db] Methinks...... Re: [db] Methinks...... Re: [db] Methinks...... Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2004 14:07:05 -0500 From: "J.B. Hebert" Subject: Re: [db] plate mounting 2 bolts, nuts, and washers is all you really need. It attaches under the bumper. I think I used 1/4-20 bolts. If you want the MB OEM hardware, I have no idea what that is. :) J.B. At 10:31 AM 2/9/2004 -0800, you wrote: >Okay, I received the front plate mount for my '82 300CD (thanks for the >eBay link!), but it came with no hardware. Anyone know what I'll need to >buy to attach it? > >R >Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 13:20:52 -0600 From: "Alec Cordova" Subject: RE: [db] plate mounting I'm remembering a couple of thick, short, self-tapping screws holding that bracket onto the front rubber, but that could just be the beer talking. Alec > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net > [mailto:owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net]On Behalf Of J.B. Hebert > Sent: Monday, February 09, 2004 1:07 PM > To: Anaeis N > Cc: diesel-benz-at-digest.net > Subject: Re: [db] plate mounting > > > 2 bolts, nuts, and washers is all you really need. It attaches under the > bumper. I think I used 1/4-20 bolts. If you want the MB OEM hardware, I > have no idea what that is. :) > > J.B. > > At 10:31 AM 2/9/2004 -0800, you wrote: > >Okay, I received the front plate mount for my '82 300CD (thanks for the > >eBay link!), but it came with no hardware. Anyone know what I'll need to > >buy to attach it? > > > >R > >Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2004 14:27:25 -0500 From: "J.B. Hebert" Subject: RE: [db] plate mounting On my '82, there are 2 holes on the bottom of the bumper that correspond to the 2 holes on the part of the bracket that is perpendicular to the plate mounting surface. But I guess it's possible they varied the design from year to year. J.B. At 01:20 PM 2/9/2004 -0600, you wrote: >I'm remembering a couple of thick, short, self-tapping screws holding that >bracket onto the front rubber, but that could just be the beer talking. > >Alec > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net > > [mailto:owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net]On Behalf Of J.B. Hebert > > Sent: Monday, February 09, 2004 1:07 PM > > To: Anaeis N > > Cc: diesel-benz-at-digest.net > > Subject: Re: [db] plate mounting > > > > > > 2 bolts, nuts, and washers is all you really need. It attaches under the > > bumper. I think I used 1/4-20 bolts. If you want the MB OEM hardware, I > > have no idea what that is. :) > > > > J.B. > > > > At 10:31 AM 2/9/2004 -0800, you wrote: > > >Okay, I received the front plate mount for my '82 300CD (thanks for the > > >eBay link!), but it came with no hardware. Anyone know what I'll need to > > >buy to attach it? > > > > > >R > > >Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 20:45:27 -0800 From: "Daniel F. Tilley" Subject: [db] turbo diesels to avoid? http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem &item=2458882593&category=6330 Is this a turbo-diesel? There's no mention so I'm assuming that the turbo diesels were introduce in later years. Are there years to avoid when looking for the 5-cylinder turbo-charged Benz/ Daniel F. Tilley ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 21:15:26 -0800 From: Kevin Pekarek Subject: Re: [db] turbo diesels to avoid? On Mon, Feb 09, 2004 at 08:45:27PM -0800, Daniel F. Tilley wrote: > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem > 3&category=6330> &item=2458882593&category=6330 > > Is this a turbo-diesel? There's no mention so I'm assuming that the > turbo diesels were introduce in later years. Are there years to avoid > when looking for the 5-cylinder turbo-charged Benz/ Yup, that's a turbodiesel (assuming the stock engine is in it). And that isn't an engine you need to shy away from - the OM617 turbo was one of the most rugged engines ever built by ANYONE, much less Mercedes. Assuming stock engines, if you're looking for a 617 turbo (five cyl, 3.0L), you're looking for a 300SD before 1986, or a 300D/300TD from 1981-1985. Generally speaking, it's hard to go wrong with a Mercedes diesel. Do, however, be very careful buying a 350SD/350SDL, as the 3.5L OM603 was not a very rugged engine, and the cheapest long block price I've heard of is about $8000. The 3.0L OM603 (the OM603s are six cylinders) was very reliable, however, and could be found in the 1987 300D (or 300TD), as well as the 86-up 300SD and 300SDL. There was some issue about heads cracking with the OM603, but the heads can be rebuilt/purchased for a reasonable price. There is a certain version of the head (lower than or equal to 16) to avoid, from what I recall. Good luck with your search... K - -- Kevin Pekarek Redwood City, CA (near San Francisco) and Los Osos, CA (near San Luis Obispo) 85 190D (601, 5spd) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 08:26:26 -0600 From: "Alec Cordova" Subject: RE: [db] turbo diesels to avoid? I concur with Kevin. This is a W116 sedan with the OM617 turbodiesel. In the smaller W123 sedans of 1978, it would be the non-turbo, but this larger sedan is the first year of the diesel S-class in the US. This combination was never offerred in Europe, AFAIK. Looks like they installed Euro-style headlights, which look really good on this model. I'd say it's at least worth paying for a prepurchase inspection. Alec Cordova Taylor, Texas 89 300CE, 167K > > On Mon, Feb 09, 2004 at 08:45:27PM -0800, Daniel F. Tilley wrote: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem > > > 3&category=6330> &item=2458882593&category=6330 > > > > Is this a turbo-diesel? There's no mention so I'm assuming that the > > turbo diesels were introduce in later years. Are there years to avoid > > when looking for the 5-cylinder turbo-charged Benz/ > > Yup, that's a turbodiesel (assuming the stock engine is in it). And that > isn't an engine you need to shy away from - the OM617 turbo was one of the > most rugged engines ever built by ANYONE, much less Mercedes. > > Assuming stock engines, if you're looking for a 617 turbo (five > cyl, 3.0L), > you're looking for a 300SD before 1986, or a 300D/300TD from 1981-1985. > > Generally speaking, it's hard to go wrong with a Mercedes diesel. > Do, however, > be very careful buying a 350SD/350SDL, as the 3.5L OM603 was not a very > rugged engine, and the cheapest long block price I've heard of is > about $8000. > The 3.0L OM603 (the OM603s are six cylinders) was very reliable, > however, and > could be found in the 1987 300D (or 300TD), as well as the 86-up 300SD and > 300SDL. There was some issue about heads cracking with the OM603, but the > heads can be rebuilt/purchased for a reasonable price. There is a certain > version of the head (lower than or equal to 16) to avoid, from > what I recall. > > Good luck with your search... > > K > > -- > Kevin Pekarek > Redwood City, CA (near San Francisco) and > Los Osos, CA (near San Luis Obispo) > 85 190D (601, 5spd) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 10:24:57 -0500 From: Jason R Bassett Subject: [db] Methinks...... I am looking into purchasing a 1981 Mercedes 240D with 237638 miles on it for $1000. This car has a 2.4l diesel with a 3-speed automatic transmission. Is this a good value? My concerns: 1. I have not had good experiences with any automatic transmission that got old. Do the Mercedes autos hold up as well as their engines, or can I expect it to need rebuilding soon? 2. I want to convert it for WVO, and I am wondering if the engine is well suited to this. 3. Is this a good vehicle period? Thanks! ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 08:37:56 -0800 From: john meister Subject: Re: [db] Methinks...... if it's straight and clean and functions it does indeed sound like a good deal... will work well for WVO... nothing to fear with an AT behind a low powered engine like that. :) john Jason R Bassett wrote: > I am looking into purchasing a 1981 Mercedes 240D with 237638 miles on it > for $1000. This car has a 2.4l diesel with a 3-speed automatic > transmission. Is this a good value? > > My concerns: > 1. I have not had good experiences with any automatic transmission that > got old. Do the Mercedes autos hold up as well as their engines, or can I > expect it to need rebuilding soon? > 2. I want to convert it for WVO, and I am wondering if the engine is well > suited to this. > 3. Is this a good vehicle period? > > Thanks! > > ________________________________________________________________ > The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! > Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! > Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! > - -- ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- * john-at-wagoneers.com * Snohomish, WA USA - http://wagoneers.com where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. ** trust Jesus ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- win, mac & linux: http://www.mozilla.org/ the new alternatives - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 10:22:07 -0800 From: Kevin Pekarek Subject: Re: [db] Methinks...... On Tue, Feb 10, 2004 at 10:24:57AM -0500, Jason R Bassett wrote: > I am looking into purchasing a 1981 Mercedes 240D with 237638 miles on it > for $1000. This car has a 2.4l diesel with a 3-speed automatic > transmission. Is this a good value? If it runs and is in good condition, that's a bargain for what cars go for in the San Francisco area. > My concerns: > 1. I have not had good experiences with any automatic transmission that > got old. Do the Mercedes autos hold up as well as their engines, or can I > expect it to need rebuilding soon? Provided someone took care of the car (which should be obvious), the transmission shouldn't give you any problems. That automatic is actually a four speed automatic that starts off in second gear, unless one manually selects 'L' (and I think 'S', but am not positive about that). You'll want to know that before taking off from a stop uphill with a friend or two in the car. > 2. I want to convert it for WVO, and I am wondering if the engine is well > suited to this. The indirect-injected Mercedes is probably THE most suited to running WVO. The books on the subject actually state in some recipes "but only do this if you have an old mercedes diesel". Some w123s had a second tank option for extended range, but people have been known to use one tank for WVO and one for biodiesel or #2. > 3. Is this a good vehicle period? Rock solid car. Problem is, it accelerates like a rock. Downhill it's pretty good, on flat ground it's unimpressive, going uphill, you'll feel like you want to get out and push. But, you aren't in a hurry to get anywhere. The difference between 65 and 75 over a 200 mile trip is somewhere around ten to fifteen minutes. You'll probably complain that it can't pull a greased string out of a cat's rear for the first week or so, then the car will grow on you and you'll wonder how you got on without it for so long. K - -- Kevin Pekarek Redwood City, CA (near San Francisco) and Los Osos, CA (near San Luis Obispo) 85 190D (601, 5spd) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 12:34:13 -0600 From: "Vernon Tuck" Subject: Re: [db] Methinks...... Well stated, Kevin, I couldn't care less whether my cars will pull a string out of a cat's (or rat's) ass. I have a fleet of 240Ds... and I've never cast so much as a furtive lustful eye at any other model of Mercedes... although I might if it were diesel AND had a 4 or 5 speed manual transmission. After all... boys will be boys... VT ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 20:29:07 +0000 From: "Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI" Subject: Re: [db] Methinks...... My mailbox was recently graced by a missive from Kevin Pekarek who wrote: > That automatic is actually a > four speed automatic that starts off in second gear, unless one manually > selects 'L' (and I think 'S', but am not positive about that). You'll want > to know that before taking off from a stop uphill with a friend or two > in the car. Does the gearbox on a 300d behave in the same way ? I'm interested to know, as I've had problems climbing out of a car-park in town ;-3( TIA, Ron, on the banks of the Paraguay River. - -- If a person feels he can't communicate, the least he can do is shut up about it. -- Tom Lehrer -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #1364 **********************************