From owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Thu Mar 4 19:51:31 2004 From: diesel-benz-digest diesel-benz-digest Friday, March 5 2004 Volume 01 : Number 1386 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: [db] Re: 190D motor Swap RE: [db] Re: 190D motor Swap Re: [db] Re: fuel prices Re: [db] Re: Re: fuel prices Re: [db] ahh lovely Re: [db] Preglow weirdness Re: [db] ahh lovely RE: [db] Re: 190D motor Swap [db] Bio-Diesel RE: [db] Bio-Diesel [db] smelled smoke... Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 20:41:10 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: [db] Re: 190D motor Swap On Tue, 2 Mar 2004, Justin H wrote: >-->Good afternoon. >--> My name is Justin and I have recently purchased my first Diesel >-->Benz. I have mostly been a Honda Fan (Cheap,Cheap) But have always loved the >-->sleek stylings of the 190s. I purchased a 2.2 D model, and am in the process I had one, they are nice little cars. But I've been more drawn to the larger 123/116/126 and now the 124 chassis. The 201 chassis is pretty nice. Certainly a major improvement, I would think, from a honda. :) Having had several Mercedes, mostly Diesel. I'm kind of torn between the 123 and the 124. I have a '91 300d now with the 2.5L TD and like it a lot more then my 201 (the 190d). I doubt I'd get another 201, but would consider a 123 or 124 again. >-->of restoration. My only complaint with the car is the matter of having >-->merely 74 or so horses to work with. While the body style is an absolute My 190d with the 2.2L was respectable... it was faster then some of my full size jeeps have been. :) For the economy and reliablity I'd recommend just keeping it the way it is and learning to accept that it's not a rice rocket. :) >-->dream, I must do something about the motor. It seems to me that you know >-->this car well enough, and i was hoping you could give me some advice. A few >-->questions I had are: >-->1) would it be simpler to install a unleaded motor in the car, or a 2.5 TD >-->motor? are you nuts? a gas engine???? that 2.2L might get you 40mpg on the freeway... in town mine did in the 30's... Also, if you try to convert this thing from Diesel to Gas you'll have to reregister it... and then get it to pass emissions... not going to be cheap, fun or easy... A 2.5L TD would be cool. They did put them in the 201's. I like my '91 300d 2.5L TD... 0 to 60 in around 12 seconds... that engine in the 201 would really make it dance. :) No inspections required to do this, it's already registered as a Diesel. >-->2)I've heard the Benz chassis can hold a Chevy 350 motor. Is this right? not the 201... 123's, 116's, 115's, 107's, 126's, sure... I've seen that done before. But you're dealing with the "baby benz". A friend did it to an early '80's (123) 280 sedan... he had to do quite a bit of welding to make it work... I think he died before he finished the project... (he was in his '30's... smoking with welding as a career led to cancer and early death...) >-->3)What would be involved in the motor swap to a gasoline engine? eg, would >-->it be a matter of simply swapping motor mounts, possibly out of a 190E >-->series? complete rewire, different tranny, different driveshaft and rear end... not sure, but you don't want to do this. you'd ruin the car, devalue it and create a LOT of work and trouble for yourself. IF you want giddyup and go, sell the 190d and buy the gas version. :) Trust me, it's one thing to go through the pain and suffering to upgrade it to a 2.5L TD, it'll still be a Diesel and you'll like it. Converting it to gas would require a complete rewiring, new computers and a lot of work... of course going to the 2.5L will be a lot of work as well. But finding a 190d with the 2.5L TD would probably be harder then doing the swap. :) >-->4)could you offer any advice on a good parts supplier in the King county, Wa >-->area? (Keeping in mind that I am a student, and somewhat limited on funds. I've been very happy with Aurora Auto Wrecking on 99, and if Benz Friends is still selling parts, them too. Student? Where you going to school? I teach at City University. (right now in in Tucson, AZ teaching a UNIX class) >--> I will be subscribing to the Diesel Benz discussion Forum ASAP, but in >-->the meantime, thanks for your time. And I look forward to hearing from you. no problem I'll cc the list because you raised some good issues. :) >--> God Bless, >--> justin Hofmann >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Mar 2004 22:26:44 -0800 From: "Derickam AA" Subject: RE: [db] Re: 190D motor Swap Justin, There are plenty of gassers out there. This project would require quite an outlay of cash. You would be money ahead getting a gasser with a good body and rebuild that engine if need be. It is tough enough to do a rebuild on this car using the original parts (I am on my second 190 rebuild). My advice is do not do it. If you do. Take allot of pictures... :) _________________________________________________________________ Store more e-mails with MSN Hotmail Extra Storage ^V 4 plans to choose from! http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200362ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 23:03:10 +0000 From: "Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI" Subject: Re: [db] Re: fuel prices Any objection to mixing used engine and gearbox oil mixed in the fuel ? Of course after filtering it, leaving it to decant for some months, and not using the bottom layer. ???? TIA, Ron, on the banks of the Paraguay River. (where diesel costs about $0.40 a litre, about $1.8 a gallon) - -- You're only young once, but you can be immature forever. -- Larry Andersen -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2004 13:26:00 +0000 From: "Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI" Subject: Re: [db] Re: Re: fuel prices My mailbox was recently graced by a missive from Edward Pomeroy who wrote: > Tit for tat, anyone blocking our products and services > should be completely shut out of the US market, no wiggle room or third > country stuff, closed 100% to their exports. Some US consumers will > suffer in some areas, but just see how fast the other guys review their > policies. We are still the #1 consumer nation. Completely irrealistic, as long as the US need to import more than the other countries need to export to the US. An example of the application of your wonderful theory: All oil producing countries have put tarifs on importing US goods; so you stop importing oil. Where does this leave the US and its economy ? Cheers, Ron. - -- I have discovered the art of deceiving diplomats: I tell them the truth and they never believe me. -- Camillo Di Cavour -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2004 08:50:04 -0500 From: "Jim Hoffman" Subject: Re: [db] ahh lovely OK... That sounds cool... What type of restaraunt is this? Would you say that most restaraunts use this type of oil now? I'm just wondering if I should approach the mom & pop or big chains... This is good stuff! ;) Jim/ > > This is soybean oil, comes in 5 gallon plastic barrels and leaves the > restaurant in similar to my house. It is only slightly more viscous that > diesel. > > SDB > > > On Tue, 2 Mar 2004, Jim Hoffman wrote: > > |OK... When I worked in a restaraunt in a previous life, we > |*scooped* in a solid that would melt. When heat was removed, it > |would return to a solid. This can't be what you are using or it > |would be a little hard to *pour* out of a jerry can ;) > | > |So my question is this... Did you ask them what type of oil they > |were using and what form it was in when cold? > | > |I would imagine filtering would be using a standard resturaunt grease > |filter right? > | > |TIA! > | > |Jim/ > | > |> just drove to work on almost pure SVO, no heating required, a little > |> leftover diesel in the tank, life is good. Smells great. I fill from jerry > |> cans stored in the basement. > |> > |> I am looking forward to the 3USD gallon, assuming I can keep up the supply > |> of oil from the morrocan restaurant I get it from. > |> > |> SDB ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Mar 2004 06:14:05 -0800 From: Greg Fiorentino Subject: Re: [db] Preglow weirdness At 01:37 PM 3/2/04 , Robert Chase wrote: >Atlanta is a city of tempature weirdness. Less than a week ago it snowed >and now its 74 degrees out. Of course now my car is doing weird stuff as >well. Most of the time my car will start without even preglowing as long >as the temp is around 50 degrees. My preglow system has been a little >"tired" due to the winter and its been a bit tempermental to start (have >to preglow it for a longer time) when the tempature is in the 30's. Now >that the tempature is going up my preglow system is acting up. When I >turn the key to the preglow position the light does not come on. If you >turn the key several times on and off the light will come on and go out >quickly as if to say hey its warm enough to start you idiot. Its never >done this before. Even in the middle of the 90 degree summers we had last >year the car would ALWAYS preglow. Any ideas where to start? I think my >preglow relay might be on its way out. > >Robert Chase The preglow relay is pretty easy to test with a multimeter. The instructions are somewhere on the factory CD. A new one is around $120 from Rusty. Replacing it is a 10 minute job. Greg Fiorentino Vancouver USA gfior-at-dslnorthwest.net '86 300SDL Turbo '84 300D Turbo '79 300TD '85 F-350 6.9 crew cab ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2004 10:05:15 -0500 From: "S.D.Byers" Subject: Re: [db] ahh lovely Most bigger places use the industrial goop you referred to I think. I get mine froma middle eastern place, they do have very good food also. Places to check, every frito lays factory produces tons of the stuff..... Could we have people on the list scout this out? SDB On Wed, 3 Mar 2004, Jim Hoffman wrote: |OK... That sounds cool... What type of restaraunt is this? Would |you say that most restaraunts use this type of oil now? I'm just |wondering if I should approach the mom & pop or big chains... | |This is good stuff! ;) | |Jim/ | |> |> This is soybean oil, comes in 5 gallon plastic barrels and leaves the |> restaurant in similar to my house. It is only slightly more viscous that |> diesel. |> |> SDB |> |> |> On Tue, 2 Mar 2004, Jim Hoffman wrote: |> |> |OK... When I worked in a restaraunt in a previous life, we |> |*scooped* in a solid that would melt. When heat was removed, it |> |would return to a solid. This can't be what you are using or it |> |would be a little hard to *pour* out of a jerry can ;) |> | |> |So my question is this... Did you ask them what type of oil they |> |were using and what form it was in when cold? |> | |> |I would imagine filtering would be using a standard resturaunt grease |> |filter right? |> | |> |TIA! |> | |> |Jim/ |> | |> |> just drove to work on almost pure SVO, no heating required, a little |> |> leftover diesel in the tank, life is good. Smells great. I fill |from jerry |> |> cans stored in the basement. |> |> |> |> I am looking forward to the 3USD gallon, assuming I can keep up the |supply |> |> of oil from the morrocan restaurant I get it from. |> |> |> |> SDB | | | ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Mar 2004 13:51:41 -0800 From: "Justin H" Subject: RE: [db] Re: 190D motor Swap >From: "Derickam AA" >Reply-To: derick-at-amburgey.us >To: john-at-wagoneers.com, mugenb18-at-hotmail.com >CC: diesel-benz-at-digest.net >Subject: RE: [db] Re: 190D motor Swap >Date: Tue, 02 Mar 2004 22:26:44 -0800 > >Justin, > >There are plenty of gassers out there. >This project would require quite an outlay of cash. >You would be money ahead getting a gasser with a good body and rebuild that >engine if need be. > >It is tough enough to do a rebuild on this car using the original parts (I >am on my second 190 rebuild). > >My advice is do not do it. If you do. Take allot of pictures... :) > Thanks for the advice. :) However, after corresponding with John I have decided To restore my 190 with the original 2.2 in it.....Then later I will hopefully upgrade to the 2.5TD in it. ;) I do plan in the future though to work with a Gasoline 190. See what it can be made to do. -Justin _________________________________________________________________ Store more e-mails with MSN Hotmail Extra Storage ^V 4 plans to choose from! http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200362ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Mar 2004 13:57:37 -0800 From: "Justin H" Subject: [db] Bio-Diesel Can anyone offer a good information web-site for me on Bio-Diesel? I am new to Diesels, and have much interest in the prospects of BD. Thanks, Justin _________________________________________________________________ Learn how to help protect your privacy and prevent fraud online at Tech Hacks & Scams. http://special.msn.com/msnbc/techsafety.armx ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Mar 2004 14:15:39 -0800 From: "Derickam AA" Subject: RE: [db] Bio-Diesel Justin, Couple of resources 1. The bio fuel group http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ 2. http://www.greasel.com/ There are a few others I am sure someone else can volunteer. Derick Please reply to: derick-at-amburgey.us - ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Justin H" To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net Subject: [db] Bio-Diesel Date: Wed, 03 Mar 2004 13:57:37 -0800 Can anyone offer a good information web-site for me on Bio-Diesel? I am new to Diesels, and have much interest in the prospects of BD. Thanks, Justin _________________________________________________________________ Learn how to help protect your privacy and prevent fraud online at Tech Hacks & Scams. http://special.msn.com/msnbc/techsafety.armx _________________________________________________________________ Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee when you click here. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2004 18:20:14 -0800 From: john meister Subject: [db] smelled smoke... smelled smoke... went to turn on the switch to recirculate air in the cabin... whazzthis? it's already on and won't turn off and smoke is coming out the vents??? arghhhh.... Thankfully it doesn't look quite as serious when we got it apart, all the wiring appears fine under the dash... http://www.wagoneers.com/DieselBenz/TECH/ClimateControls/ john - -- ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- * john-at-wagoneers.com * Snohomish, WA USA - http://wagoneers.com where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. ** trust Jesus ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- win, mac & linux: http://www.mozilla.org/ the new alternatives - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #1386 **********************************