From owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Mon Mar 22 18:17:58 2004 From: diesel-benz-digest diesel-benz-digest Tuesday, March 23 2004 Volume 01 : Number 1400 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: [db] battery RE: [db] battery Re: [db] battery Re: [db] battery Re: [db] battery RE: [db] battery RE: [db] battery Re: [db] driving vs. flying... Re: [db] driving vs. flying... RE: [db] driving vs. flying... Re: [db] driving vs. flying... Re: [db] driving vs. flying... [db] re-attachment of wood trim in 123 cabin [Fwd: Re: [db] driving vs. flying...] [Fwd: Re: [db] driving vs. flying...] Re: [db] re-attachment of wood trim in 123 cabin Re: [db] re-attachment of wood trim in 123 cabin Re: [Fwd: Re: [db] driving vs. flying...] Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 12:59:32 -0500 From: Mike Frank Subject: Re: [db] battery Nothing special.Go to the parts store and buy whatever they have in stock. Mike Frank At 12:52 PM 3/22/2004, Philip Tigue wrote: >Hi, I have a 1980 300td wagon which I need to get a battery for and I am >wondering if it should be a certain kind. ie one made for european cars >or a genuine mercedes brand battery. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 10:16:19 -0800 From: "Derick" Subject: RE: [db] battery Never have had a problem with Sears Diehard in my diesels. VW 81 and a 190d. I had a diehard that finally died after 11 years in my 88 Cherorkee. It gave plenty of advance warning though 3 weeks before the event. Had good luck with Exide in the past also. Just have to change those out every 4 years or your asking for it. Good luck, Derick 85 190d "Tuti" 81 VW caddy "" 88 XJ - --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.638 / Virus Database: 409 - Release Date: 3/21/2004 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 13:54:20 -0500 From: "Jim Hoffman" Subject: Re: [db] battery I'm not so sure I would agree with that... Nothing special as far as *brand* goes but Cold Cranking Amps is another story. The battery that is called for in that car is HUGE. Sure, you could put a smaller/cheaper battery in but then it may have a premature death caused by stressing it. That diesel's compression draws a lot of cold cranking amps. I'd go to your favorite store (I went to Sears) and get the one that is called for by the manufacturer. It has a *size code* that goes with it. Just my $.02 Jim/ > Nothing special.Go to the parts store and buy whatever they have in stock. > > Mike Frank > > At 12:52 PM 3/22/2004, Philip Tigue wrote: > >Hi, I have a 1980 300td wagon which I need to get a battery for and I am > >wondering if it should be a certain kind. ie one made for european cars > >or a genuine mercedes brand battery. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 14:36:37 -0500 From: Mike Frank Subject: Re: [db] battery Errr....that's what I meant to say....get whatever they have in stock, that's the correct size for the car. Mike Frank At 01:54 PM 3/22/2004, Jim Hoffman wrote: >I'm not so sure I would agree with that... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 11:52:18 -0800 From: "Paul Masterson" Subject: Re: [db] battery - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Frank" To: Sent: Monday, March 22, 2004 11:36 AM Subject: Re: [db] battery > Errr....that's what I meant to say....get whatever they have in stock, > that's the correct size for the car. > > Mike Frank > > At 01:54 PM 3/22/2004, Jim Hoffman wrote: > >I'm not so sure I would agree with that... > I would say that ANY group 49 battery should work, Exide, Mercedes, Whoever. should run about 79.99 or so. Bernard ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 14:06:13 -0600 From: "Alec Cordova" Subject: RE: [db] battery > > Errr....that's what I meant to say....get whatever they have in stock, > > that's the correct size for the car. > > > > Mike Frank > > > > At 01:54 PM 3/22/2004, Jim Hoffman wrote: > > >I'm not so sure I would agree with that... > > > I would say that ANY group 49 battery should work, Exide, > Mercedes, Whoever. > should run about 79.99 or so. > > Bernard > I once found the right supersized battery at WalMart for my 85 300D. It was the same brand that they normally carry, but part of an "International Series" of fitments. It was also all the right ratings, and it filled the big battery tray nicely. I seem to recall it was an amazingly cheap 40 or 50 bucks, but that was several years ago anyway. I have also heard good things about those spiral-wound Optima batteries, but I believe they ain't cheap. Just try to find one that is physically large, as well as meeting all other normal criteria. If any manufacturer bothers to make it that big, it's probably at least a half decent battery. ;-) Alec ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 14:15:36 -0600 From: "Sam Williams" <1sam-at-io.com> Subject: RE: [db] battery Philip, I like the Interstate MTP-93. For slightly more, the MB brand looks good in the engine compartment. Sam - -----Original Message----- From: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of Philip Tigue Sent: Monday, March 22, 2004 11:52 AM To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net Subject: [db] battery Hi, I have a 1980 300td wagon which I need to get a battery for and I am wondering if it should be a certain kind. ie one made for european cars or a genuine mercedes brand battery. any suggestions? thanks,Phil - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ All the action. All the drama. Get NCAA hoops coverage at MSN Sports by ESPN. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 13:38:29 -0800 From: Kevin Pekarek Subject: Re: [db] driving vs. flying... On Sat, Mar 20, 2004 at 05:20:46AM -0800, Jerome Kaidor wrote: > *** Sure it is. You just have to DIY. Get thee to thy local small airport > and seek out an instructor! I think about this every time I pass San Carlos Airport, and see the huge sign that says "Learn to Fly. $ per month" I always wonder what the catch is, until I think about it like any other addictions. Cars, guns, radios, cameras, computers, drugs... you name it. It always seems rather inexpensive to start with, but can really get out of hand in a hurry. A quick browse through airplane classifieds is usually enough to ground my desires to fly. Sure sounds like fun though. :) K - -- Kevin Pekarek Redwood City, CA (near San Francisco) and Los Osos, CA (near San Luis Obispo) 85 190D (601, 5spd) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 13:54:34 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: [db] driving vs. flying... hey, one of my buddies just bought a plane, only 100k... ;) he can afford it though... ;) john On Mon, 22 Mar 2004, Kevin Pekarek wrote: >-->On Sat, Mar 20, 2004 at 05:20:46AM -0800, Jerome Kaidor wrote: >-->> *** Sure it is. You just have to DIY. Get thee to thy local small airport >-->> and seek out an instructor! >--> >-->I think about this every time I pass San Carlos Airport, and see the huge >-->sign that says "Learn to Fly. $ per month" >--> >-->I always wonder what the catch is, until I think about it like any other >-->addictions. Cars, guns, radios, cameras, computers, drugs... you name it. It >-->always seems rather inexpensive to start with, but can really get out of hand >-->in a hurry. A quick browse through airplane classifieds is usually enough to >-->ground my desires to fly. >--> >-->Sure sounds like fun though. :) >--> >-->K >--> >-->-- >-->Kevin Pekarek >-->Redwood City, CA (near San Francisco) and >-->Los Osos, CA (near San Luis Obispo) >-->85 190D (601, 5spd) >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 16:06:27 -0600 From: "Alec Cordova" Subject: RE: [db] driving vs. flying... What. He has a job? I guess that's the piece of the puzzle I'm currently missing. ;-) Alec > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net > [mailto:owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net]On Behalf Of john > Sent: Monday, March 22, 2004 3:55 PM > To: Kevin Pekarek > Cc: Jerome Kaidor; diesel-benz list; offtopic > Subject: Re: [db] driving vs. flying... > > > hey, one of my buddies just bought a plane, only 100k... ;) > > he can afford it though... ;) > > john ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 14:32:56 -0800 From: Kevin Pekarek Subject: Re: [db] driving vs. flying... On Mon, Mar 22, 2004 at 01:54:34PM -0800, john wrote: > hey, one of my buddies just bought a plane, only 100k... ;) > > he can afford it though... ;) It doesn't end there, though. Fuel ain't all that cheap, and planes can be a bit thirsty. Then again, the pickup probably would be if it was going 180 mph. :) And doesn't routine maintenance have to be done by someone with FAA certification? I don't think that's cheap either. K - -- Kevin Pekarek Redwood City, CA (near San Francisco) and Los Osos, CA (near San Luis Obispo) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 18:10:41 -0500 From: "Steve Morelen" Subject: Re: [db] driving vs. flying... Yeah, those certified mechanics can get pricy. A friend of mine had to have his disc brakes reworked on his Cessna in the mid 1980's and the bill back then was about $1200....yeowww! And the brakes aren't even the expensive part of the airplane..... Oh yeah....diesel here is about 1.65 / gal (diesel content) :-) Steve Morelen '84 300D Raleigh, NC >From: Kevin Pekarek >To: john , diesel-benz-at-digest.net >Subject: Re: [db] driving vs. flying... >Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 14:32:56 -0800 > >On Mon, Mar 22, 2004 at 01:54:34PM -0800, john wrote: > > hey, one of my buddies just bought a plane, only 100k... ;) > > > > he can afford it though... ;) > >It doesn't end there, though. Fuel ain't all that cheap, and planes can >be a bit thirsty. Then again, the pickup probably would be if it was going >180 mph. :) > >And doesn't routine maintenance have to be done by someone with FAA >certification? I don't think that's cheap either. > >K > >-- >Kevin Pekarek >Redwood City, CA (near San Francisco) and >Los Osos, CA (near San Luis Obispo) _________________________________________________________________ Get tax tips, tools and access to IRS forms ^V all in one place at MSN Money! http://moneycentral.msn.com/tax/home.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 07:17:38 -0400 From: "Steve Morelen" Subject: [db] re-attachment of wood trim in 123 cabin Has anyone used contact cement (successfully) to re-attach wood trim to the dash? It seems the glue on all my wood pieces has now decided to let go. Are there better choices for adhesive to use? TIA- Steve Morelen '84 300D Raleigh, NC _________________________________________________________________ Get tax tips, tools and access to IRS forms ^V all in one place at MSN Money! http://moneycentral.msn.com/tax/home.asp ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 19:21:18 -0500 From: Robert Chase Subject: [Fwd: Re: [db] driving vs. flying...] meant for this to go to the list too - -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [db] driving vs. flying... Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 19:12:41 -0500 From: Robert Chase To: Kevin Pekarek References: <200403201320.i2KDKkm1005122-at-tr4.tr2.com> <20040322213829.GE49260-at-mordred.punk.net> Heh heh, The Catch? $80/hr Rental of their Cessna 172 which smells like vomit and half of their Navigational instruments dont work in $30-40/hr of Instructor time which may include time that your not even in the airplane. Flying is expensive. The $80/hour was a conservitive estimate. I have seen rates up to $120/hr for 172 time. Instructor skill varies widely as well even though CFR's are FAA certified. Robert Chase Kevin Pekarek wrote: >On Sat, Mar 20, 2004 at 05:20:46AM -0800, Jerome Kaidor wrote: > > >>*** Sure it is. You just have to DIY. Get thee to thy local small airport >>and seek out an instructor! >> >> > >I think about this every time I pass San Carlos Airport, and see the huge >sign that says "Learn to Fly. $ per month" > >I always wonder what the catch is, until I think about it like any other >addictions. Cars, guns, radios, cameras, computers, drugs... you name it. It >always seems rather inexpensive to start with, but can really get out of hand >in a hurry. A quick browse through airplane classifieds is usually enough to >ground my desires to fly. > >Sure sounds like fun though. :) > >K ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 19:21:32 -0500 From: Robert Chase Subject: [Fwd: Re: [db] driving vs. flying...] and this one :) - -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [db] driving vs. flying... Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 19:20:47 -0500 From: Robert Chase To: Kevin Pekarek References: <200403201320.i2KDKkm1005122-at-tr4.tr2.com> <20040322213829.GE49260-at-mordred.punk.net> <20040322223256.GF49260-at-mordred.punk.net> Yep, I looked at a plane but then discovered it would be cheaper and more fun to buy a Ferarri. An average Annual inspection is about $2500-3000 and thats assuming they dont find a lot wrong with your aircraft. There are some planes at the airport that you see that are not flown much and usually its because the plane is out of annual and the owner cant afford to do the repairs. Then of course your looking at hangar/tie down space and hull insurance so that the bank will finance the aircraft. While its great that a lot of planes go up in value and you can finance one interest only and over a 10 year span you have to keep up on the maint. Aircraft engines also are rated for a certain number of hours. When it hits the TBO "time before overhaul" your looking at about an 8-12k engine job. I think the 172's are 2000hour engines. You can go longer if you dont use your aircraft for any type of commercial operations (like an FBO leaseback). Unfortunatly they become "troublesome" once they start going over their overhaul time. Robert Chase Kevin Pekarek wrote: >On Mon, Mar 22, 2004 at 01:54:34PM -0800, john wrote: > > >>hey, one of my buddies just bought a plane, only 100k... ;) >> >>he can afford it though... ;) >> >> > >It doesn't end there, though. Fuel ain't all that cheap, and planes can >be a bit thirsty. Then again, the pickup probably would be if it was going >180 mph. :) > >And doesn't routine maintenance have to be done by someone with FAA >certification? I don't think that's cheap either. > >K ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 20:38:28 -0500 From: Robert Chase Subject: Re: [db] re-attachment of wood trim in 123 cabin Steve, Most superglues will do. For wood to wood adhesion wood glue is prefered. I have some nice German wood glue left over from the installation of my kitchen floor and use that in both my brothers 123 chassis and my 126 chassis car. Robert Chase Steve Morelen wrote: > Has anyone used contact cement (successfully) to re-attach wood trim > to the dash? It seems the glue on all my wood pieces has now decided > to let go. Are there better choices for adhesive to use? > > TIA- > > Steve Morelen > '84 300D > Raleigh, NC > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get tax tips, tools and access to IRS forms ^V all in one place at MSN > Money! http://moneycentral.msn.com/tax/home.asp ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 20:55:09 -0500 From: "Steve Morelen" Subject: Re: [db] re-attachment of wood trim in 123 cabin Thanks for the input Robert. The surfaces that I have to join together are the wood back-side of the trim and a clean metal surface that is attached to the dashboard assembly. I'll be needing an adhesive that can fill minor gaps since some of the trim pieces aren't as straight and flat as they were originally. I first thought the contact cement would be good but I am having second thoughts after contemplating the temperature cycling that the glue joint will have to endure. I'm guessing +130 F to +20 F unless I drive someplace colder. Steve Morelen >From: Robert Chase >To: Steve Morelen , 'Diesel Benz' > >Subject: Re: [db] re-attachment of wood trim in 123 cabin >Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 20:38:28 -0500 > >Steve, > >Most superglues will do. For wood to wood adhesion wood glue is prefered. >I have some nice German wood glue left over from the installation of my >kitchen floor and use that in both my brothers 123 chassis and my 126 >chassis car. > >Robert Chase > > >Steve Morelen wrote: > >>Has anyone used contact cement (successfully) to re-attach wood trim to >>the dash? It seems the glue on all my wood pieces has now decided to let >>go. Are there better choices for adhesive to use? >> >>TIA- >> >>Steve Morelen >>'84 300D >>Raleigh, NC >> >>_________________________________________________________________ >>Get tax tips, tools and access to IRS forms ^V all in one place at MSN >>Money! http://moneycentral.msn.com/tax/home.asp _________________________________________________________________ Get tax tips, tools and access to IRS forms ^V all in one place at MSN Money! http://moneycentral.msn.com/tax/home.asp ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 16:11:19 -0800 (PST) From: Jerome Kaidor Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: [db] driving vs. flying...] Robert Chase wrote: > > Yep, > > I looked at a plane but then discovered it would be cheaper and more fun > to buy a Ferarri. *** My flight instructor had a Ferrari. He said he thought airplanes were expensive until he bought the Ferrari. An average Annual inspection is about $2500-3000 and > thats assuming they dont find a lot wrong with your aircraft. *** I pay $200. That's for an "owner-assisted" annual. Basically, I do all the grunt work, take the interior out, take off all the inspection plates. Last year, my "cheap" inspector was sick ( cancer ) and I went to a shop. That annual cost me $1100. Also owner-assisted. > > > >And doesn't routine maintenance have to be done by someone with FAA > >certification? I don't think that's cheap either. > > *** My friend the independant aircraft mech was billing $55/hour, last I heard. He's probably up to $60/hour by now. Meanwhile, the independant car shops here on the SF Peninsula bill $90/hour. And the dealerships - over $100. I do all the maintenance I can possibly get away with legally. For things I can't do legally, I try to get an FAA-certified type to "supervise and sign". Basically, for a fee, he supervises me, inspects the work, and then signs it off in the logbook. With "supervise & sign", you can do anything. I replaced a cylinder in a Cessna once. Things like changing oil, changing tires, changing & cleaning sparkplugs, topping up fluids - all this can be done by an owner with no signoff whatsoever. There's a list in the Federal Aviation Regulations. - Jerry Kaidor ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #1400 **********************************