From owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Fri Apr 16 17:05:45 2004 From: diesel-benz-digest diesel-benz-digest Friday, April 16 2004 Volume 01 : Number 1418 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: [db] Re: Just saw a MB for sale RE: [db] Re: Just saw a MB for sale Re: [db] Re: Just saw a MB for sale Re: [db] Re: Just saw a MB for sale Re: [db] Re: Just saw a MB for sale Re: [db] Re: Just saw a MB for sale Re: [db] Re: Just saw a MB for sale [db] bay area, farm area, hey, it used to be one and the same... [db] Re: bay area, farm area, hey, it used to be one and the same... Re: [db] Re: Just saw a MB for sale Re: [db] Re: Just saw a MB for sale Re: [db] Re: Just saw a MB for sale Re: [db] Re: Just saw a MB for sale Re: [db] Re: bay area, farm area, hey, it used to be one and the same... Re: [db] Re: Just saw a MB for sale Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 12:06:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Jerome Kaidor Subject: Re: [db] Re: Just saw a MB for sale john wrote: > > looks like I'll be in the bay area for three weeks teaching > a Linux course... kevin, I'll be in touch. ;) it's down > in Salinas... :) > **** Urgh. Salinas is NOT the bay area. Maybe I'll fly down there & meet you, there's a nice airport out there. - Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 16:08:44 -0500 From: "Alec Cordova" Subject: RE: [db] Re: Just saw a MB for sale A 190x 2.2 would likely be an 84 diesel with no turbo. The 2.2 was the first diesel W201 offering in the US. It was replaced within a year or two with the 2.5 and the 2.5 turbo diesels. I think the 2.2 was a little too slow for the incorrect common US expectations of MB. If the car in question has a manual transmission, it could be a pleasant little daily driver. Alec > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net > [mailto:owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net]On Behalf Of john > Sent: Friday, April 16, 2004 3:49 PM > To: Jim Hoffman > Cc: diesel-benz list; john meister > Subject: [db] Re: Just saw a MB for sale > > > most of the 190's say either 190E or 190D. > the gassers have 2, 2.3, 2.5... don't see any 2.2's in > the Nitske book... could be an oiler dude. > > nice little rides, but 124's are much nicer... > > on the topic of 123 vs 126, I think the 123 handled > much better then 126, the 126 tended to "float" on the > backroads, but had a nicer, more "remote" feeling ride. > > The 201's are nimble... the 124 is just right... > > looks like I'll be in the bay area for three weeks teaching > a Linux course... kevin, I'll be in touch. ;) it's down > in Salinas... :) > > john > > On Fri, 16 Apr 2004, Jim Hoffman wrote: > > >-->Hey John, > >--> > >--> I just a 190 for sale! I could only see the 2.2 badge on the > >-->right side of the trunk. Was there a 2.2 gasser or would this > >-->definately be a diesel?? I'm going to stop tonight and check it > >-->out further... > >--> > >-->Jim/ > >--> > >--> > > ---- > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** > Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 13:59:35 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] Re: Just saw a MB for sale On Fri, 16 Apr 2004, Jerome Kaidor wrote: >-->john wrote: >-->> >-->> looks like I'll be in the bay area for three weeks teaching >-->> a Linux course... kevin, I'll be in touch. ;) it's down >-->> in Salinas... :) >-->> >-->**** Urgh. Salinas is NOT the bay area. Maybe I'll fly down >-->there & meet you, there's a nice airport out there. >--> >--> - Jerry hey, by my definition the "bay area" starts just south of shasta and extends to... oh, just a wee bit north of the hearst castle... ;) so, what is it called then? ;) on the peninsula? it's right off of 101, right? isn't it right as you come down into the valley that turns into the bay area??? john ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 14:26:21 -0700 From: Kevin Pekarek Subject: Re: [db] Re: Just saw a MB for sale On Fri, Apr 16, 2004 at 12:06:55PM -0700, Jerome Kaidor wrote: > > looks like I'll be in the bay area for three weeks teaching > > a Linux course... kevin, I'll be in touch. ;) it's down > > in Salinas... :) > > **** Urgh. Salinas is NOT the bay area. Maybe I'll fly down > there & meet you, there's a nice airport out there. What he said :) Salinas is about an hour and twenty minutes from my place, and depending on where you draw the boundary of the bay area, anywhere from 20-45 minutes out of the bay area. I pass through Salinas somewhat frequently on my way south to San Luis Obispo, there's a truck stop with arby's that has reasonable prices for diesel - off Sanborn Road, I think. If you go east of the freeway instead of west on sanborn, there's a USA gas that usually is cheaper by a couple of cents per gallon, but I haven't watched the traffic through there to see if he has enough volume. Knowing my luck, I'd be replacing fuel filters somewhere near the prison in soledad :-/ K - -- Kevin Pekarek Redwood City, CA (near San Francisco) and Los Osos, CA (near San Luis Obispo) 85 190D (601, 5spd) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 14:31:57 -0700 From: Kevin Pekarek Subject: Re: [db] Re: Just saw a MB for sale On Fri, Apr 16, 2004 at 01:49:23PM -0700, john wrote: > most of the 190's say either 190E or 190D. > the gassers have 2, 2.3, 2.5... don't see any 2.2's in > the Nitske book... could be an oiler dude. The euro OM601 was a two liter also. If it has the 2.2 badge on the back, and is the original trunk lid and badge , it's a greaseburner. Assuming original dash, it won't have a red line indicated. It will also have that smell of burnt diesel eminating from it if it has been run recently. 201s make great daily drivers. Especially if you snag the elusive five speed :) > on the topic of 123 vs 126, I think the 123 handled > much better then 126, the 126 tended to "float" on the > backroads, but had a nicer, more "remote" feeling ride. I have yet to drive a 126. I've been trying to stay away :) > The 201's are nimble... the 124 is just right... Nimble they are. I've gotten mine into a four wheel drift a couple of times, and it behaves rather well without traction. Then again, I've gotten crown victorias into drifts before. They don't behave near as well, but they're extremely predictable. K - -- Kevin Pekarek Redwood City, CA (near San Francisco) and Los Osos, CA (near San Luis Obispo) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 14:36:28 -0700 From: Kevin Pekarek Subject: Re: [db] Re: Just saw a MB for sale On Fri, Apr 16, 2004 at 01:59:35PM -0700, john wrote: > hey, by my definition the "bay area" starts just south of > shasta and extends to... oh, just a wee bit north of the > hearst castle... ;) That's okay. We all think Seattle spans from Centralia up to the border, just like the rain clouds :P > so, what is it called then? ;) on the peninsula? it's > right off of 101, right? isn't it right as you come down > into the valley that turns into the bay area??? Salinas is part of farm country. The Monterey County Deputies are allowed to choose from three hats for patrol duty, and one of them is a cowboy hat. 101 goes from LA all the way up to the oregon border, and probably well into OR, but I don't know. Salinas is actually south of Monterey Bay, but too far inland to be part of that bay area :) - -- Kevin Pekarek Redwood City, CA (near San Francisco) and Los Osos, CA (near San Luis Obispo) 85 190D (601, 5spd) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 14:27:34 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] Re: Just saw a MB for sale On Fri, 16 Apr 2004, Kevin Pekarek wrote: >-->I have yet to drive a 126. I've been trying to stay away :) they're not as much fun... I had one, don't even look at 'em any more... >-->> The 201's are nimble... the 124 is just right... >--> >-->Nimble they are. I've gotten mine into a four wheel drift a >-->couple of times, and it behaves rather well without traction. >-->Then again, I've gotten crown victorias into drifts before. They >-->don't behave near as well, but they're extremely predictable. I've found the limits of the 124... and the onset of the ABS... not sure I like ABS. ;) But considering I made it through the corner without removing any trees I'll reserve my final vote... ;) john ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 14:32:03 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: [db] bay area, farm area, hey, it used to be one and the same... On Fri, 16 Apr 2004, Kevin Pekarek wrote: >-->On Fri, Apr 16, 2004 at 01:59:35PM -0700, john wrote: >-->> hey, by my definition the "bay area" starts just south of >-->> shasta and extends to... oh, just a wee bit north of the >-->> hearst castle... ;) >--> >-->That's okay. We all think Seattle spans from Centralia up to >-->the border, just like the rain clouds :P hey, that sounds right to me... ;) actually the metropolitan area spans from Olympia to Everett if I recollect correctly... ;) Centralia's just a 15 minute blast down I-5... the border is a bit further from Everett... ;) >-->> so, what is it called then? ;) on the peninsula? it's >-->> right off of 101, right? isn't it right as you come down >-->> into the valley that turns into the bay area??? >-->Salinas is part of farm country. The Monterey County Deputies are >-->allowed to choose from three hats for patrol duty, and one of them >-->is a cowboy hat. cool. >-->101 goes from LA all the way up to the oregon border, and probably well >-->into OR, but I don't know. Salinas is actually south of Monterey Bay, >-->but too far inland to be part of that bay area :) 101 goes all the way up around the Olympic Peninsula back to Olympia, WA. I've driven most of 101... doesn't it go all the way down to San Diego??? or just into Santa Barbara/LA? one good thing about this adventure is that I'll be able to drive down... need to get that cruise module replaced... ;) john >-->-- >-->Kevin Pekarek >-->Redwood City, CA (near San Francisco) and >-->Los Osos, CA (near San Luis Obispo) >-->85 190D (601, 5spd) >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 15:34:35 -0700 From: Kevin Pekarek Subject: [db] Re: bay area, farm area, hey, it used to be one and the same... On Fri, Apr 16, 2004 at 02:32:03PM -0700, john wrote: > 101 goes all the way up around the Olympic Peninsula back to Olympia, WA. > I've driven most of 101... doesn't it go all the way down to San Diego??? > or just into Santa Barbara/LA? It stops in LA. I think it goes all the way to I-5, but can't remember. I don't take 5 through there (either go around on 405 or 210 to 15), and have only taken 101 as far down as 605. I've never been north of about mendocino on 101, but I've taken 5 from... well john's house all the way down to hwy 8 in san diego - almost the whole way. > one good thing about this adventure is that I'll be able to drive > down... need to get that cruise module replaced... ;) Heh. My broken cruise oddly started working one day. *shrug* K - -- Kevin Pekarek Redwood City, CA (near San Francisco) and Los Osos, CA (near San Luis Obispo) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 15:37:49 -0700 From: Kevin Pekarek Subject: Re: [db] Re: Just saw a MB for sale On Fri, Apr 16, 2004 at 02:27:34PM -0700, john wrote: > they're not as much fun... I had one, don't even look at 'em > any more... yeah, but I like really big cars. > I've found the limits of the 124... and the onset of the ABS... not > sure I like ABS. ;) But considering I made it through the corner > without removing any trees I'll reserve my final vote... ;) ABS is the worst thing put into cars from a handling perspective. It removes feel in the brakes, and actually makes the car take longer to stop. Yes, I know, 95% of the population would just lock up their brakes and be far worse off. Ever try ABS in loose dirt, sand, or mud? you can measure the difference between abs and normal braking in feet. K - -- Kevin Pekarek Redwood City, CA (near San Francisco) and Los Osos, CA (near San Luis Obispo) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 19:02:33 -0400 From: Robert Chase Subject: Re: [db] Re: Just saw a MB for sale Dunno John, I think they are about the same handling wise. The 123 is smaller but the 126 is only about 100# heavier. The 123's suspension is simplistic in comparision to the 126 suspension. While the 126 does have some float factor It sticks to the road very well and is quite composed in fast curves and turns. I think there is a big psychological factor involved here. The 126 does look "huge" and obviously a bigger car would handle worse than a smaller car. The weight is almost the same and the 126 has a better suspension. It would be interesting to see skidpad and handling results for both of these cars and see which one really did handle better. :) Robert Chase john wrote: >most of the 190's say either 190E or 190D. >the gassers have 2, 2.3, 2.5... don't see any 2.2's in >the Nitske book... could be an oiler dude. > >nice little rides, but 124's are much nicer... > >on the topic of 123 vs 126, I think the 123 handled >much better then 126, the 126 tended to "float" on the >backroads, but had a nicer, more "remote" feeling ride. > >The 201's are nimble... the 124 is just right... > >looks like I'll be in the bay area for three weeks teaching >a Linux course... kevin, I'll be in touch. ;) it's down >in Salinas... :) > >john > >On Fri, 16 Apr 2004, Jim Hoffman wrote: > > > >>-->Hey John, >>--> >>--> I just a 190 for sale! I could only see the 2.2 badge on the >>-->right side of the trunk. Was there a 2.2 gasser or would this >>-->definately be a diesel?? I'm going to stop tonight and check it >>-->out further... >>--> >>-->Jim/ >>--> >>--> >> >> > > ---- > >------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** > Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. >------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 19:05:25 -0400 From: Robert Chase Subject: Re: [db] Re: Just saw a MB for sale >they're not as much fun... I had one, don't even look at 'em >any more... > > They were never built as a performance car. Neither were your 201 or 124. Perhaps you should look into an E500 or an S55AMG or something that was built as a perfomance platform. :) Robert. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 19:11:12 -0400 From: Robert Chase Subject: Re: [db] Re: Just saw a MB for sale Kevin Pekarek wrote: >ABS is the worst thing put into cars from a handling perspective. It >removes feel in the brakes, and actually makes the car take longer to >stop. Yes, I know, 95% of the population would just lock up their brakes >and be far worse off. > >Ever try ABS in loose dirt, sand, or mud? you can measure the difference >between abs and normal braking in feet. > > > I hate ABS too. Its more of a marketing gimick than anything. ABS is useful if you apply hard braking in a turn on slick surface but if your putting you brakes on during a turn you should probably either learn how to drive or be a little more observant and look around the curve before entering it at a high speed :) Robert Chase ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 16:21:08 -0700 From: john meister Subject: Re: [db] Re: bay area, farm area, hey, it used to be one and the same... I've covered every mile of I-5 - Tijuana to the Peace Arch. Every mile of I-90. (funny that both my wife and I grew up near I-90... of course she was a "few" miles further west... (SD vs. IL). Almost every mile of I-80, I-29. I-95 from NJ to DC, NC to FL (cocoa beach) and sizeable quantities of most others... ;) I have covered every mile of 101 and significant portions of US 1, US2 and of course the famous Route 66. BTW, where is the cruise control computer on a 124??? :) john Kevin Pekarek wrote: > On Fri, Apr 16, 2004 at 02:32:03PM -0700, john wrote: > >>101 goes all the way up around the Olympic Peninsula back to Olympia, WA. >>I've driven most of 101... doesn't it go all the way down to San Diego??? >>or just into Santa Barbara/LA? > > > It stops in LA. I think it goes all the way to I-5, but can't remember. I > don't take 5 through there (either go around on 405 or 210 to 15), and have > only taken 101 as far down as 605. I've never been north of about > mendocino on 101, but I've taken 5 from... well john's house all the way > down to hwy 8 in san diego - almost the whole way. > > >>one good thing about this adventure is that I'll be able to drive >>down... need to get that cruise module replaced... ;) > > > Heh. My broken cruise oddly started working one day. *shrug* > > K ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 16:26:33 -0700 From: john meister Subject: Re: [db] Re: Just saw a MB for sale ABS is quite rude... I was trained to pump my brakes growing up as I did in snow country when drum brakes were the norm... if the tires slip you back off... how hard is that to figure out? I really hate it when I WANT to go deep into the brakes to start a slide to set up for a corner and the pedal starts vibrating... a very very rude feeling... I wonder if "normal" people ever activate their ABS... :) john Kevin Pekarek wrote: > On Fri, Apr 16, 2004 at 02:27:34PM -0700, john wrote: > >>they're not as much fun... I had one, don't even look at 'em >>any more... > > > yeah, but I like really big cars. > >>I've found the limits of the 124... and the onset of the ABS... not >>sure I like ABS. ;) But considering I made it through the corner >>without removing any trees I'll reserve my final vote... ;) > > ABS is the worst thing put into cars from a handling perspective. It > removes feel in the brakes, and actually makes the car take longer to > stop. Yes, I know, 95% of the population would just lock up their brakes > and be far worse off. > > Ever try ABS in loose dirt, sand, or mud? you can measure the difference > between abs and normal braking in feet. > > K ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #1418 **********************************