From owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Mon Apr 19 12:22:32 2004 From: diesel-benz-digest diesel-benz-digest Monday, April 19 2004 Volume 01 : Number 1423 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: RE: [db] what is this? Re: [db] RE: diesels and l-series HP's Re: [db] what is this? Re: [db] RE: diesels and l-series HP's Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 13:50:03 -0500 From: "Alec Cordova" Subject: RE: [db] what is this? > 1981 240D 2.4L Auto > > What body is this? I feel left out of your discussions......... > It's a W123, and it's one of the most reliable and maintainable cars ever built. You might find Greg Franks's page helpful, at least up until the last couple of model cycles. I still reference it often. http://home.hiwaay.net/~gbf/mbmodels.html Alec Cordova Taylor, Texas 89 W124c 300CE, 168K ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 14:54:30 -0400 From: Robert Chase Subject: Re: [db] RE: diesels and l-series HP's Heh heh, Atlanta at least has the fortune of warm weather. My 300SD with bad glow plugs starts pretty easily as long as the temp is above 70. Anybody got any suggestions on the eaisest way to change the plugs without banging the knuckles and wrenches on your injection lines? I already have my French made Bosch Glow plugs. I Figured I would try to get through the summer with the plugs but they have gotten a little worse and my Neighbors dont appreciate the "starting process" at 3am in the morning. Robert Chase john wrote: >On Mon, 19 Apr 2004, Robert Chase wrote: > > > >>-->Heh heh, >>--> >>-->No problem... Alvin Ill drop you an e-mail with my contact information >>-->and we can perhaps get this car running better for you. >> >> > >better? > >I think Alvin will be quite happy to have it RUN. ;) rofl... > >thanx Robert! > >john > > > >>--> >>-->Robert Chase >>--> >>-->john wrote: >>--> >>-->>On Mon, 19 Apr 2004, DEVAUGHN,ALVIN (HP-USA,ex1) wrote: >>-->> >>-->> >>-->> >>-->>>-->Thanks John... You know, I think you're right on the sitting, but the car >>-->>>-->started right up after sitting several times.. Then, after I drove it for >>-->>>-->about 15 miles the car wouldn't start at all...?? >>-->>> >>-->>> >>-->> >>-->>bad fuel... very common... you may need to have the tank cleaned, >>-->>hopefully not... look for black crud in the filters... fungus/algae... >>-->>you'll need industrial strength anti-fungal Diesel fuel treatment >>-->>and many filter changes... been there done that. >>-->> >>-->> >>-->> >>-->>>-->I know that diesel fuel may be dirtier than regular fuel..causing blockage >>-->>>-->if not moving thru the fuel system on a constance.. >>-->>> >>-->>> >>-->> >>-->>actually it's usually fine, but since Diesel is so much more environmentally >>-->>friendly it promotes life forms... that's what's GROWING in the >>-->>tank... :) doesn't happen with that nasty gasoline stuff... :) >>-->> >>-->> >>-->> >>-->>>-->I bought an 4 dollar filter for the car but can't figure out where it goes.. >>-->>>-->Maybe it's the one by the pump??? I'll try and get on the list and contact >>-->>>-->Robert Chase.. >>-->>> >>-->>> >>-->> >>-->>I'll cc the list and give him a heads up that someone from >>-->>atlanta will be pestering him... he may enjoy the distraction. >>-->> >>-->>Hey, Robert... Alvin and I were working on an HP server on >>-->>the phone and some how or another we got on the topic of Diesels... >>-->>go figure... anyway, he's got one that was sitting and could use >>-->>advice and maybe someone to point out where all the objects of >>-->>restriction might be located. Hope you don't mind. :) >>-->> >>-->> >>-->> >>-->>>-->I do know something is blocking fuel.. Because this car use to start right >>-->>>-->up??? >>-->>> >>-->>> >>-->> >>-->>you got it... very common... >>-->> >>-->>same thing happens with gas engines too... old jeeps/rust/water, etc... >>-->> >>-->>it's harder to deal with with Diesels because you can't just pour >>-->>fresh gas down the carb and get it going... :) >>-->> >>-->>ttyl, >>-->>john meister >>-->>sunny(well, there IS sun above the clouds, I think) snohomish, washington >>-->> >>-->> >>-->> >>-->>>--> >>-->>>-->Thanks.. >>-->>>--> >>-->>>-->Alvin >>-->>>--> >>-->>>-->-----Original Message----- >>-->>>-->From: john [mailto:john-at-wagoneers.com] >>-->>>-->Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 1:55 PM >>-->>>-->To: DEVAUGHN,ALVIN (HP-USA,ex1) >>-->>>-->Subject: RE: diesels and l-series HP's >>-->>>--> >>-->>>--> >>-->>>-->On Mon, 19 Apr 2004, DEVAUGHN,ALVIN (HP-USA,ex1) wrote: >>-->>>--> >>-->>>-->>-->Hey John, no, I didn't find the glow plugs but I did find the fuel >>-->>>-->>-->filter.. I changed it.. But the car still won't start.. Although >>-->>>-->>-->now, it appears to at least be attempting to start?? I still thinks >>-->>>-->>-->it's not getting gas?? Are there two fuel filters on that benz?? >>-->>>-->>-->(1985 300D)...... >>-->>>--> >>-->>>-->there are two and a filter sock in the tank. >>-->>>--> >>-->>>-->there is a smaller primary filter down by that pump, >>-->>>-->and then the larger cannister filter by the pump. >>-->>>-->the filter sock is probably ok. >>-->>>--> >>-->>>-->get on the diesel-benz list and give robert chase a shout. >>-->>>-->he's in atlanta and fairly knowledgeable. he's got >>-->>>-->an '83 300sd. >>-->>>--> >>-->>>-->the problem is if that thing has been sitting for a long time it'll be >>-->>>-->gummed up in the rings and you won't get compression... >>-->>>--> >>-->>>-->when was the oil last changed? >>-->>>--> >>-->>>-->ttyl, >>-->>>-->john meister >>-->>>-->ph. 360.668.5205 >>-->>>--> >>-->>>--> >>-->>>--> >>-->>>-->>--> >>-->>>-->>-->Am I missing something here.. I feel I'm almost there.. :-) >>-->>>-->>--> >>-->>>-->>-->-----Original Message----- >>-->>>-->>-->From: john [mailto:john-at-wagoneers.com] >>-->>>-->>-->Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2004 10:50 PM >>-->>>-->>-->To: DEVAUGHN,ALVIN (HP-USA,ex1) >>-->>>-->>-->Subject: RE: diesels and l-series HP's >>-->>>-->>--> >>-->>>-->>--> >>-->>>-->>--> >>-->>>-->>-->Alvin, >>-->>>-->>--> >>-->>>-->>-->Did you find your glow plugs? Did you get on the diesel-benz list >>-->>>-->>-->ok? >>-->>>-->>--> >>-->>>-->>-->We're still having troubles with that L-class server... I'll have to >>-->>>-->>-->deal with it later next week... They'll call me in to do the setup >>-->>>-->>-->on it when they get the hardware bugs out of it... >>-->>>-->>--> >>-->>>-->>-->john >>-->>>-->>--> >>-->>>-->>--> >>-->>>-->>-->On Thu, 15 Apr 2004, DEVAUGHN,ALVIN (HP-USA,ex1) wrote: >>-->>>-->>-->>-->Reply >>-->>>-->>-->>--> >>-->>>-->>-->>-->-----Original Message----- >>-->>>-->>-->>-->From: john [mailto:john-at-wagoneers.com] >>-->>>-->>-->>-->Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2004 6:54 PM >>-->>>-->>-->>-->To: alvin_devaughn-at-hp.com >>-->>>-->>-->>-->Cc: john meister >>-->>>-->>-->>-->Subject: diesels and l-series HP's >>-->>>-->>-->>--> >>-->>>-->>-->>--> >>-->>>-->>-->>-->http://wagoneers.com/DieselBenz >>-->>>-->>-->>--> >>-->>>-->>-->>-->see my '91 on the server too. :) >>-->>>-->>-->>--> >>-->>>-->>-->>-->john >>-->>>-->>-->>--> >>-->>>-->>-->>--> ---- >>-->>>-->>-->>--> >>-->>>-->>-->>-->---------------------------------------------------------------- >>-->>>-->>-->>-->-------- >>-->>>-->>-->- >>-->>>-->>-->>--> ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** >>-->>>-->>-->>--> Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they >>-->>>-->>-->>-->mold. >>-->>>-->>-->>-->-------------------------------------------------------------------- >>-->>>-->>-->>-->----- >>-->>>-->>-->>--> >>-->>>-->>--> >>-->>>-->>--> ---- >>-->>>-->>--> >>-->>>-->>-->------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>-->>>-->- >>-->>>-->>--> ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** >>-->>>-->>--> Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. >>-->>>-->>-->-------------------------------------------------------------------- >>-->>>-->>-->----- >>-->>>-->>--> >>-->>>--> >>-->>>--> ---- >>-->>>--> >>-->>>-->------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>-->>>--> ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** >>-->>>--> Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. >>-->>>-->------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>-->>>--> >>-->>> >>-->>> >>-->> >>-->> ---- >>-->> >>-->>------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>-->> ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** >>-->> Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. >>-->>------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>-->> >>-->> >>-->> >>-->> >>--> >>--> >> >> > > ---- > >------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** > Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. >------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 14:56:55 -0400 From: Robert Chase Subject: Re: [db] what is this? Oooh, Nice page Alec..... You have been holding out on us Now to find a w189.... One HELL of an attractive car and a Diesel to boot. Robert. Alec Cordova wrote: >>1981 240D 2.4L Auto >> >>What body is this? I feel left out of your discussions......... >> >> >> > >It's a W123, and it's one of the most reliable and maintainable cars ever >built. >You might find Greg Franks's page helpful, at least up until the last couple >of model cycles. I still reference it often. >http://home.hiwaay.net/~gbf/mbmodels.html > >Alec Cordova >Taylor, Texas >89 W124c 300CE, 168K ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 12:16:14 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] RE: diesels and l-series HP's simply remove the hard injector lines... place rags or caps over the exposed fittings... takes just a few moments and saves lots of trouble/time. :) john On Mon, 19 Apr 2004, Robert Chase wrote: >-->Heh heh, >--> >-->Atlanta at least has the fortune of warm weather. My 300SD with bad >-->glow plugs starts pretty easily as long as the temp is above 70. >-->Anybody got any suggestions on the eaisest way to change the plugs >-->without banging the knuckles and wrenches on your injection lines? I >-->already have my French made Bosch Glow plugs. I Figured I would try to >-->get through the summer with the plugs but they have gotten a little >-->worse and my Neighbors dont appreciate the "starting process" at 3am in >-->the morning. >--> >-->Robert Chase >--> >--> >-->john wrote: >--> >-->>On Mon, 19 Apr 2004, Robert Chase wrote: >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->>>-->Heh heh, >-->>>--> >-->>>-->No problem... Alvin Ill drop you an e-mail with my contact information >-->>>-->and we can perhaps get this car running better for you. >-->>> >-->>> >-->> >-->>better? >-->> >-->>I think Alvin will be quite happy to have it RUN. ;) rofl... >-->> >-->>thanx Robert! >-->> >-->>john >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->>>--> >-->>>-->Robert Chase >-->>>--> >-->>>-->john wrote: >-->>>--> >-->>>-->>On Mon, 19 Apr 2004, DEVAUGHN,ALVIN (HP-USA,ex1) wrote: >-->>>-->> >-->>>-->> >-->>>-->> >-->>>-->>>-->Thanks John... You know, I think you're right on the sitting, but the car >-->>>-->>>-->started right up after sitting several times.. Then, after I drove it for >-->>>-->>>-->about 15 miles the car wouldn't start at all...?? >-->>>-->>> >-->>>-->>> >-->>>-->> >-->>>-->>bad fuel... very common... you may need to have the tank cleaned, >-->>>-->>hopefully not... look for black crud in the filters... fungus/algae... >-->>>-->>you'll need industrial strength anti-fungal Diesel fuel treatment >-->>>-->>and many filter changes... been there done that. >-->>>-->> >-->>>-->> >-->>>-->> >-->>>-->>>-->I know that diesel fuel may be dirtier than regular fuel..causing blockage >-->>>-->>>-->if not moving thru the fuel system on a constance.. >-->>>-->>> >-->>>-->>> >-->>>-->> >-->>>-->>actually it's usually fine, but since Diesel is so much more environmentally >-->>>-->>friendly it promotes life forms... that's what's GROWING in the >-->>>-->>tank... :) doesn't happen with that nasty gasoline stuff... :) >-->>>-->> >-->>>-->> >-->>>-->> >-->>>-->>>-->I bought an 4 dollar filter for the car but can't figure out where it goes.. >-->>>-->>>-->Maybe it's the one by the pump??? I'll try and get on the list and contact >-->>>-->>>-->Robert Chase.. >-->>>-->>> >-->>>-->>> >-->>>-->> >-->>>-->>I'll cc the list and give him a heads up that someone from >-->>>-->>atlanta will be pestering him... he may enjoy the distraction. >-->>>-->> >-->>>-->>Hey, Robert... Alvin and I were working on an HP server on >-->>>-->>the phone and some how or another we got on the topic of Diesels... >-->>>-->>go figure... anyway, he's got one that was sitting and could use >-->>>-->>advice and maybe someone to point out where all the objects of >-->>>-->>restriction might be located. Hope you don't mind. :) >-->>>-->> >-->>>-->> >-->>>-->> >-->>>-->>>-->I do know something is blocking fuel.. Because this car use to start right >-->>>-->>>-->up??? >-->>>-->>> >-->>>-->>> >-->>>-->> >-->>>-->>you got it... very common... >-->>>-->> >-->>>-->>same thing happens with gas engines too... old jeeps/rust/water, etc... >-->>>-->> >-->>>-->>it's harder to deal with with Diesels because you can't just pour >-->>>-->>fresh gas down the carb and get it going... :) >-->>>-->> >-->>>-->>ttyl, >-->>>-->>john meister >-->>>-->>sunny(well, there IS sun above the clouds, I think) snohomish, washington >-->>>-->> >-->>>-->> >-->>>-->> >-->>>-->>>--> >-->>>-->>>-->Thanks.. >-->>>-->>>--> >-->>>-->>>-->Alvin >-->>>-->>>--> >-->>>-->>>-->-----Original Message----- >-->>>-->>>-->From: john [mailto:john-at-wagoneers.com] >-->>>-->>>-->Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 1:55 PM >-->>>-->>>-->To: DEVAUGHN,ALVIN (HP-USA,ex1) >-->>>-->>>-->Subject: RE: diesels and l-series HP's >-->>>-->>>--> >-->>>-->>>--> >-->>>-->>>-->On Mon, 19 Apr 2004, DEVAUGHN,ALVIN (HP-USA,ex1) wrote: >-->>>-->>>--> >-->>>-->>>-->>-->Hey John, no, I didn't find the glow plugs but I did find the fuel >-->>>-->>>-->>-->filter.. I changed it.. But the car still won't start.. Although >-->>>-->>>-->>-->now, it appears to at least be attempting to start?? I still thinks >-->>>-->>>-->>-->it's not getting gas?? Are there two fuel filters on that benz?? >-->>>-->>>-->>-->(1985 300D)...... >-->>>-->>>--> >-->>>-->>>-->there are two and a filter sock in the tank. >-->>>-->>>--> >-->>>-->>>-->there is a smaller primary filter down by that pump, >-->>>-->>>-->and then the larger cannister filter by the pump. >-->>>-->>>-->the filter sock is probably ok. >-->>>-->>>--> >-->>>-->>>-->get on the diesel-benz list and give robert chase a shout. >-->>>-->>>-->he's in atlanta and fairly knowledgeable. he's got >-->>>-->>>-->an '83 300sd. >-->>>-->>>--> >-->>>-->>>-->the problem is if that thing has been sitting for a long time it'll be >-->>>-->>>-->gummed up in the rings and you won't get compression... >-->>>-->>>--> >-->>>-->>>-->when was the oil last changed? >-->>>-->>>--> >-->>>-->>>-->ttyl, >-->>>-->>>-->john meister >-->>>-->>>-->ph. 360.668.5205 >-->>>-->>>--> >-->>>-->>>--> >-->>>-->>>--> >-->>>-->>>-->>--> >-->>>-->>>-->>-->Am I missing something here.. I feel I'm almost there.. :-) >-->>>-->>>-->>--> >-->>>-->>>-->>-->-----Original Message----- >-->>>-->>>-->>-->From: john [mailto:john-at-wagoneers.com] >-->>>-->>>-->>-->Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2004 10:50 PM >-->>>-->>>-->>-->To: DEVAUGHN,ALVIN (HP-USA,ex1) >-->>>-->>>-->>-->Subject: RE: diesels and l-series HP's >-->>>-->>>-->>--> >-->>>-->>>-->>--> >-->>>-->>>-->>--> >-->>>-->>>-->>-->Alvin, >-->>>-->>>-->>--> >-->>>-->>>-->>-->Did you find your glow plugs? Did you get on the diesel-benz list >-->>>-->>>-->>-->ok? >-->>>-->>>-->>--> >-->>>-->>>-->>-->We're still having troubles with that L-class server... I'll have to >-->>>-->>>-->>-->deal with it later next week... They'll call me in to do the setup >-->>>-->>>-->>-->on it when they get the hardware bugs out of it... >-->>>-->>>-->>--> >-->>>-->>>-->>-->john >-->>>-->>>-->>--> >-->>>-->>>-->>--> >-->>>-->>>-->>-->On Thu, 15 Apr 2004, DEVAUGHN,ALVIN (HP-USA,ex1) wrote: >-->>>-->>>-->>-->>-->Reply >-->>>-->>>-->>-->>--> >-->>>-->>>-->>-->>-->-----Original Message----- >-->>>-->>>-->>-->>-->From: john [mailto:john-at-wagoneers.com] >-->>>-->>>-->>-->>-->Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2004 6:54 PM >-->>>-->>>-->>-->>-->To: alvin_devaughn-at-hp.com >-->>>-->>>-->>-->>-->Cc: john meister >-->>>-->>>-->>-->>-->Subject: diesels and l-series HP's >-->>>-->>>-->>-->>--> >-->>>-->>>-->>-->>--> >-->>>-->>>-->>-->>-->http://wagoneers.com/DieselBenz >-->>>-->>>-->>-->>--> >-->>>-->>>-->>-->>-->see my '91 on the server too. :) >-->>>-->>>-->>-->>--> >-->>>-->>>-->>-->>-->john >-->>>-->>>-->>-->>--> >-->>>-->>>-->>-->>--> ---- >-->>>-->>>-->>-->>--> >-->>>-->>>-->>-->>-->---------------------------------------------------------------- >-->>>-->>>-->>-->>-->-------- >-->>>-->>>-->>-->- >-->>>-->>>-->>-->>--> ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** >-->>>-->>>-->>-->>--> Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they >-->>>-->>>-->>-->>-->mold. >-->>>-->>>-->>-->>-->-------------------------------------------------------------------- >-->>>-->>>-->>-->>-->----- >-->>>-->>>-->>-->>--> >-->>>-->>>-->>--> >-->>>-->>>-->>--> ---- >-->>>-->>>-->>--> >-->>>-->>>-->>-->------------------------------------------------------------------------ >-->>>-->>>-->- >-->>>-->>>-->>--> ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** >-->>>-->>>-->>--> Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. >-->>>-->>>-->>-->-------------------------------------------------------------------- >-->>>-->>>-->>-->----- >-->>>-->>>-->>--> >-->>>-->>>--> >-->>>-->>>--> ---- >-->>>-->>>--> >-->>>-->>>-->------------------------------------------------------------------------- >-->>>-->>>--> ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** >-->>>-->>>--> Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. >-->>>-->>>-->------------------------------------------------------------------------- >-->>>-->>>--> >-->>>-->>> >-->>>-->>> >-->>>-->> >-->>>-->> ---- >-->>>-->> >-->>>-->>------------------------------------------------------------------------- >-->>>-->> ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** >-->>>-->> Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. >-->>>-->>------------------------------------------------------------------------- >-->>>-->> >-->>>-->> >-->>>-->> >-->>>-->> >-->>>--> >-->>>--> >-->>> >-->>> >-->> >-->> ---- >-->> >-->>------------------------------------------------------------------------- >-->> ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** >-->> Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. >-->>------------------------------------------------------------------------- >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->> >--> >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #1423 **********************************