From owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Thu Apr 29 09:33:33 2004 From: diesel-benz-digest diesel-benz-digest Thursday, April 29 2004 Volume 01 : Number 1439 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: [db] Good deal for a parts car SFO area (Kevin and Scott) Re: [db] Good deal for a parts car SFO area (Kevin and Scott) Re: [db] Summer heat and AC cutting out Re: [db] Good deal for a parts car SFO area (Kevin and Scott) [db] Not much diesel content but.... Re: [db] Not much diesel content but.... Re: [db] New diesels are in UPDATE Re: [db] New diesels are in UPDATE [db] Stalling out Re: [db] Stalling out Re: [db] Stalling out Re: [db] Not much diesel content but.... Re: [db] Not much diesel content but.... Re: [db] Not much diesel content but.... Re: [db] Not much diesel content but.... Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 20:46:51 -0700 From: "DerickAA" Subject: [db] Good deal for a parts car SFO area (Kevin and Scott) http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=2475437053&category=6783 If I had space I would be dragging this home and doing and engine tranplant with the rebuilt 84 engine I have up here. :) The new climate control alone is worth the bid price right now. Derick - --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. 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Version: 6.0.672 / Virus Database: 434 - Release Date: 4/28/2004 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 20:51:02 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] Good deal for a parts car SFO area (Kevin and Scott) man, that is tempting... $113 right now for a running car with bad paint... :) john On Wed, 28 Apr 2004, DerickAA wrote: >-->http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=2475437053&category=6783 >--> >--> >-->If I had space I would be dragging this home and doing and engine tranplant >-->with the rebuilt 84 engine I have up here. :) >-->The new climate control alone is worth the bid price right now. >--> >--> >-->Derick >--> >--> >--> >--> >-->--- >-->Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >-->Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >-->Version: 6.0.672 / Virus Database: 434 - Release Date: 4/28/2004 >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 00:13:35 -0400 From: Robert Chase Subject: Re: [db] Summer heat and AC cutting out Heh heh, Plastic durable and one was leaking so bad when I purchased my car it would not shut off :) Robert Chase Mike Frank wrote: > I don't see any point in replacing the lines..they're plastic and very > durable. The various connectors are another issue. The straight > connectors can be replaced with vacuum hose from the local parts > store, but the y's and tri's are dealer parts. > > Mike Frank > > At 10:39 PM 4/28/2004, Robert Chase wrote: > >> Does anybody have any resources on replacing vacuum lines? Im >> considering just replacing them all under the hood. I would like to >> keep the colors right and such so I dont confuse the hell out of >> anybody who has to troubleshoot a vacuum issue on my car in the future. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 21:32:09 -0700 From: Kevin Pekarek Subject: Re: [db] Good deal for a parts car SFO area (Kevin and Scott) On Wed, Apr 28, 2004 at 08:51:02PM -0700, john wrote: > man, that is tempting... $113 right now for a running car with bad paint... :) Hm. I have one 190D with seriously faded paint. Fortunately, it doesn't use oil. That is way too tempting. If it hasn't gotten way out of hand tomorrow, I might have to make a bid on it. I hate being forced like that, but fortunately the cheap italian in me doesn't let me pay too much for things :) K - -- Kevin Pekarek Redwood City, CA (near San Francisco) and Los Osos, CA (near San Luis Obispo) 85 190D (601, 5spd) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 02:09:16 -0500 From: "Richard Arnold" Subject: [db] Not much diesel content but.... Check out this link. http://www.braatenclassics.com/ RAA '87 SDL ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 06:44:13 -0400 From: Robert Chase Subject: Re: [db] Not much diesel content but.... Hmmm, Why would you sell your "personal collection"? With the prices as astronomical as they are it sounds like the guy is a sleazy car dealer. I know that my "personal collection" will be sold as part of my estate long after I am dead. :) Robert Chase Richard Arnold wrote: >Check out this link. >http://www.braatenclassics.com/ > >RAA >'87 SDL ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 07:00:58 -0400 From: "Marc Zylka" Subject: Re: [db] New diesels are in UPDATE I chatted once again with my father last night and he bought one of the new diesels. Here are the stats: Model: C320CDI Horsepower: 210hp Torque: 370 lbs 37 miles per gallon highway Around $56,000 I'll be down in Ft.Lauderdale in late June so I'll need to make sure it runs ok. : - ) It will be tough to get back in mine after that, I'm sure. He sold his 2000 model for $26,500, over blue book value. Oh, and on the VW diesel, the price is actually around $62,500. Marc '83 300D Turbo ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 04:43:30 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] New diesels are in UPDATE man, those specs are impressive... let's see, 2004-1991... how many years will I have to wait to be able to afford one of these... ;) john On Thu, 29 Apr 2004, Marc Zylka wrote: >-->I chatted once again with my father last night and he bought one of the >-->new diesels. Here are the stats: >--> >-->Model: C320CDI >-->Horsepower: 210hp >-->Torque: 370 lbs >-->37 miles per gallon highway >-->Around $56,000 >--> >-->I'll be down in Ft.Lauderdale in late June so I'll need to make sure >-->it runs ok. : - ) It will be tough to get back in mine after that, >-->I'm sure. >--> >-->He sold his 2000 model for $26,500, over blue book value. >--> >-->Oh, and on the VW diesel, the price is actually around $62,500. >--> >-->Marc >-->'83 300D Turbo >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 08:24:32 -0400 From: "Ben Esplin" Subject: [db] Stalling out I have a '74 300d with 150K. After some initial engine work, the car runs great in park or neutral, and while moving. But if the car is in drive and stopped, the entire car kind of pulsates. The pulsing gets harder and more spaced out, and then the car dies out. I have also noticed that it seems to be shifting harder (automatic tranny) in the past week or so. When the pulsing gets bad, at stop lights, in traffic, and such, I have taken to putting the car in neutral to avoid have the engine die out (it starts right back up every time). I think it might be a transmission thing, but I am really hoping that it isn't. Anybody had this problem? Thanks. _________________________________________________________________ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee. Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 08:44:53 -0400 From: Robert Chase Subject: Re: [db] Stalling out Ben, What is your idle speed when it dies? When you have the transmission in gear the transmission pulls some power from the engine when its engaged. You may need to raise your idle speed a bit. I once rented a plane with a similar issue. Thank goodness it stalled during the runup rather than on final approach :) Robert Chase Ben Esplin wrote: > I have a '74 300d with 150K. After some initial engine work, the car > runs great in park or neutral, and while moving. But if the car is in > drive and stopped, the entire car kind of pulsates. The pulsing gets > harder and more spaced out, and then the car dies out. I have also > noticed that it seems to be shifting harder (automatic tranny) in the > past week or so. When the pulsing gets bad, at stop lights, in > traffic, and such, I have taken to putting the car in neutral to avoid > have the engine die out (it starts right back up every time). I think > it might be a transmission thing, but I am really hoping that it > isn't. Anybody had this problem? Thanks. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from > McAfee. Security. > http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 05:55:41 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] Stalling out not 100% sure, but it sounds like a torque converter problem it's not disengaging... hence you stall in drive, but not park or neutral... a fluid and filter change in your tranny might save it... watch for material and metal... a TC might not terribly expensive... typical TC for american iron is $150 to $250... we'll see... actually, you'll see... ;) john On Thu, 29 Apr 2004, Ben Esplin wrote: >-->I have a '74 300d with 150K. After some initial engine work, the car runs >-->great in park or neutral, and while moving. But if the car is in drive and >-->stopped, the entire car kind of pulsates. The pulsing gets harder and more >-->spaced out, and then the car dies out. I have also noticed that it seems to >-->be shifting harder (automatic tranny) in the past week or so. When the >-->pulsing gets bad, at stop lights, in traffic, and such, I have taken to >-->putting the car in neutral to avoid have the engine die out (it starts right >-->back up every time). I think it might be a transmission thing, but I am >-->really hoping that it isn't. Anybody had this problem? Thanks. >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 06:29:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Mangrum Subject: Re: [db] Not much diesel content but.... He does place a very high premium for celebrity owned cars, but the others seem to be just above market value. I did some research on the cars for sale in lots 1 & 2 using the NADA site and found the following. I've not done business with the guy, or even talked to him, but I've been told he is a very nice guy. 1960 Mercedes-Benz 300D 4 Door Hardtop Sedan MSRP $10,070 Low Retail: $9,850, Average Retail: $15,400 High Retail: $21,100 D.L. Braaten price: $39,500 (Al Hirt's) 1962 Mercedes-Benz 300D 4 Door Hardtop Sedan MSRP $10,476 Low Retail: $10,500, Average Retail: $16,100, High Retail: $22,400 D.L. Braaten price: $22,500 1961 Mercedes-Benz 300D 4 Door Hardtop Sedan MSRP $10,070 Low Retail: Average Retail: High Retail: $10,150 $15,600 $21,700 D.L. Braaten price: $28,900 1958 Mercedes-Benz 220S 2 Door Convertible MSRP $7,641 Low Retail: $17,400, Average Retail: $32,800, High Retail: $41,300 D.L. Braaten price: $39,500 George Peppard's 1953 Mercedes 220 was not listed on the NADA site but appears to be high. The Collector Car & Truck Market site price range is from $1,500 for poor condition to $11,000 for excellent. MSRP = Original Manufacturer's Suggested Retail Price when new. NADA Value Explanations: Low Retail Value This vehicle would be in mechanically functional condition, needing only minor reconditioning. The exterior paint, trim, and interior would show normal wear, needing only minor reconditioning. May also be a deteriorated restoration or a very poor amateur restoration. Most usable "as-is". Note: This value does not represent a "parts car". Average Retail Value This vehicle would be in good condition overall. It could be an older restoration or a well-maintained original vehicle. Completely operable. The exterior paint, trim, and mechanics are presentable and serviceable inside and out. A "20-footer". High Retail Value This vehicle would be in excellent condition overall. It could be a completely restored or an extremely well maintained original vehicle showing very minimal wear. The exterior paint, trim, and mechanics are not in need of reconditioning. The interior would be in excellent condition. Note: This value does not represent a "100 Point" or "# 1" vehicle *. * "100 Point" or "# 1" vehicle is not driven. It would generally be in a museum or transported in an enclosed trailer to concourse judging and car shows. This type of car would be stored in a climate-regulated facility. Robert Chase wrote: Hmmm, Why would you sell your "personal collection"? With the prices as astronomical as they are it sounds like the guy is a sleazy car dealer. I know that my "personal collection" will be sold as part of my estate long after I am dead. :) Robert Chase Richard Arnold wrote: >Check out this link. >http://www.braatenclassics.com/ > >RAA >'87 SDL Mike M. in Ann Arbor, MI '74 914 2.0, '75 914 1.8, '82 300D TurboDiesel Oh lord won't you buy me a Mercedes Benz My friends all drive Porsches, I must make amends Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 09:53:41 -0400 From: "Jim Hoffman" Subject: Re: [db] Not much diesel content but.... > 1958 Mercedes-Benz 220S 2 Door Convertible > MSRP $7,641 > Low Retail: $17,400, Average Retail: $32,800, High Retail: $41,300 > D.L. Braaten price: $39,500 This is the machine *I* want! ;) This guy isn't to far from me. About an hours drive. I think I'll try to get down there and check out these cars sometime this summer. Who knows, maybe I'll come home with a 220S ;) Jim/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 09:57:08 -0400 From: Robert Chase Subject: Re: [db] Not much diesel content but.... Jim, You have never struck me as someone that fit the "fool and his money" proverb. :) Robert Chase Jim Hoffman wrote: >>1958 Mercedes-Benz 220S 2 Door Convertible >> MSRP $7,641 >> Low Retail: $17,400, Average Retail: $32,800, High Retail: $41,300 >>D.L. Braaten price: $39,500 >> >> > > >This is the machine *I* want! ;) > >This guy isn't to far from me. About an hours drive. I think I'll >try to get down there and check out these cars sometime this summer. >Who knows, maybe I'll come home with a 220S ;) > >Jim/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 09:58:03 -0400 From: Robert Chase Subject: Re: [db] Not much diesel content but.... Hmmm, Perhaps. Im more interested in the car itself rather than who has owned it. Anybody selling a personal collection of such size and value is just really a car dealer. The guy should probably watch out because depending on his state the regulators of car dealers might flag him as running an unlicensed car dealership. In Georgia Car dealers have to come up with a 20,000 surety bond and be fingerprinted by the GBI. The fines for running an unlicenced dealership are exhorbatant. Of course the fines are in addition to the sales tax they expect you to pay that you did not collect from your customers. Personally I have never understood why anybody would pay "top dollar" for a used car. The car you get is the same car you could pay a reasonable price for and of course even if you pay double the value there are no guarantes (other than your old wives tales) that the top dollar car is not going to throw a rod or burn up a transmission within the next 1,000 miles. Cosmetics are easily repaired and you can buy a lot of paintwork for the difference in price between a top dollar car and a reasonable priced car. Robert Chase Mike Mangrum wrote: >He does place a very high premium for celebrity owned cars, but the others seem to be just above market value. I did some research on the cars for sale in lots 1 & 2 using the NADA site and found the following. I've not done business with the guy, or even talked to him, but I've been told he is a very nice guy. > >1960 Mercedes-Benz 300D 4 Door Hardtop Sedan > MSRP $10,070 > Low Retail: $9,850, Average Retail: $15,400 High Retail: $21,100 >D.L. Braaten price: $39,500 (Al Hirt's) > >1962 Mercedes-Benz 300D 4 Door Hardtop Sedan > MSRP $10,476 > Low Retail: $10,500, Average Retail: $16,100, High Retail: $22,400 >D.L. Braaten price: $22,500 >1961 Mercedes-Benz 300D 4 Door Hardtop Sedan > MSRP $10,070 > Low Retail: Average Retail: High Retail: > $10,150 $15,600 $21,700 >D.L. Braaten price: $28,900 >1958 Mercedes-Benz 220S 2 Door Convertible > MSRP $7,641 > Low Retail: $17,400, Average Retail: $32,800, High Retail: $41,300 >D.L. Braaten price: $39,500 > >George Peppard's 1953 Mercedes 220 was not listed on the NADA site but appears to be high. The Collector Car & Truck Market site price range is from $1,500 for poor condition to $11,000 for excellent. > >MSRP = Original Manufacturer's Suggested Retail Price when new. > >NADA Value Explanations: >Low Retail Value >This vehicle would be in mechanically functional condition, needing only minor reconditioning. The exterior paint, trim, and interior would show normal wear, needing only minor reconditioning. May also be a deteriorated restoration or a very poor amateur restoration. Most usable "as-is". >Note: This value does not represent a "parts car". > >Average Retail Value >This vehicle would be in good condition overall. It could be an older restoration or a well-maintained original vehicle. Completely operable. The exterior paint, trim, and mechanics are presentable and serviceable inside and out. A "20-footer". > >High Retail Value >This vehicle would be in excellent condition overall. It could be a completely restored or an extremely well maintained original vehicle showing very minimal wear. The exterior paint, trim, and mechanics are not in need of reconditioning. The interior would be in excellent condition. Note: This value does not represent a "100 Point" or "# 1" vehicle *. >* "100 Point" or "# 1" vehicle is not driven. It would generally be in a museum or transported in an enclosed trailer to concourse judging and car shows. This type of car would be stored in a climate-regulated facility. > >Robert Chase wrote: >Hmmm, > >Why would you sell your "personal collection"? With the prices as >astronomical as they are it sounds like the guy is a sleazy car dealer. >I know that my "personal collection" will be sold as part of my estate >long after I am dead. > >:) > >Robert Chase > > >Richard Arnold wrote: > > > >>Check out this link. >>http://www.braatenclassics.com/ >> >>RAA >>'87 SDL >> >> > > >Mike M. in Ann Arbor, MI >'74 914 2.0, '75 914 1.8, '82 300D TurboDiesel >Oh lord won't you buy me a Mercedes Benz >My friends all drive Porsches, I must make amends >Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #1439 **********************************