From owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Thu Apr 29 23:45:45 2004 From: diesel-benz-digest diesel-benz-digest Friday, April 30 2004 Volume 01 : Number 1441 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: [db] Not much diesel content but.... Re: [db] Not much diesel content but.... RE: [db] Summer heat and AC cutting out RE: [db] Good deal for a parts car SFO area (Kevin and Scott) [db] 1961 MERCEDES 190D DIESEL Re: [db] Not much diesel content but.... Re: [db] 1961 MERCEDES 190D DIESEL RE: [db] 1961 MERCEDES 190D DIESEL Re: [db] Not much diesel content but.... Re: [db] Not much diesel content but.... Re: [db] Not much diesel content but.... Re: [db] Good deal for a parts car SFO area (Kevin and Scott) Re: [db] Stalling out Re: [db] Not much diesel content but.... Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 10:35:05 -0400 From: "Jim Hoffman" Subject: Re: [db] Not much diesel content but.... Robert, That's an option too. That's what I'm considering for my Mustangs. I'd take the bodys to a body shop and have them reconstruct them. Give me back a fully painted body like it came out of the paint shop when it was new and then I'd re-assemble the car. That would be the *fun* part to me anyway. ;) I'd consider that for my 240D but I just don't think the 240D has the collector value that my Mustangs do. I don't think it would be worth it in the long run. Jim/ > Jim, > > There is a place near me that specializes in restorations on Mercedes > only. They are pricey but your paying for the luxury of not having to > deal with the restoration. I bet you would still save money presenting > them with a rough driveable car and having it redone. > > Robert Chase > > > Jim Hoffman wrote: > > >This is true... And if I were 20 years younger that would be the > >plan. But as I get older, I think I want to buy ONE car that is > >DONE. Just buy it and drive it! ;) > > > >I already have two '64 1/2 and one '71 Mustang that are basket cases > >and need ground up restorations. Those are my *retirement projects* > > > >;) > > > >Jim/ > > > > > > > >>Hmmm, > >> > >>Perhaps I should get in the business of refurbishing old cars and > >>selling them for outrageous prices. :) > >> > >>You could "treat" yourself to a car that is a reasonable price that you > >>could restore the way "you" wanted for 1/2 the price :) > >> > >>Robert Chase ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 11:01:10 -0400 From: Robert Chase Subject: Re: [db] Not much diesel content but.... Hmm, Why not? Do you love the car? Too many people think of the bottom line when it comes to cars. That's how the car companies are able to pump out their cheap shiny plastic cars by the thousand while the better constructed older cars get crushed. If its not worth it perhaps you should cut to the chase and have it crushed now :) Thats actually an interesting idea regarding the painted body. Im not much of a "frame off" restoration fan as "remanafacturing" a car can sometimes end up loosing some of the car's personality but on a completely trashed car its a a superior choice. I prefer to start with a servicable car and slowly replace components as I notice their need to be replaced and then do the cosmetics as needed. Speaking of rebuilding cars my 300SD's suspension has been reminding me that its "about time" for an overhaul. Does anybody know how long it will take a shop to overhaul the front and rear suspension? I doubt this is a one day bring your car in at 9am and leave it with us for the day type job. Robert Chase Jim Hoffman wrote: >Robert, > > That's an option too. That's what I'm considering for my Mustangs. >I'd take the bodys to a body shop and have them reconstruct them. >Give me back a fully painted body like it came out of the paint shop >when it was new and then I'd re-assemble the car. That would be the >*fun* part to me anyway. ;) > > I'd consider that for my 240D but I just don't think the 240D has >the collector value that my Mustangs do. I don't think it would be >worth it in the long run. > >Jim/ > > > >>Jim, >> >>There is a place near me that specializes in restorations on Mercedes >>only. They are pricey but your paying for the luxury of not having to >>deal with the restoration. I bet you would still save money presenting >>them with a rough driveable car and having it redone. >> >>Robert Chase >> >> >>Jim Hoffman wrote: >> >> >> >>>This is true... And if I were 20 years younger that would be the >>>plan. But as I get older, I think I want to buy ONE car that is >>>DONE. Just buy it and drive it! ;) >>> >>>I already have two '64 1/2 and one '71 Mustang that are basket cases >>>and need ground up restorations. Those are my *retirement projects* >>> >>>;) >>> >>>Jim/ >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>Hmmm, >>>> >>>>Perhaps I should get in the business of refurbishing old cars and >>>>selling them for outrageous prices. :) >>>> >>>>You could "treat" yourself to a car that is a reasonable price that you >>>>could restore the way "you" wanted for 1/2 the price :) >>>> >>>>Robert Chase ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 09:41:10 -0600 From: Subject: RE: [db] Summer heat and AC cutting out Sam, It's possible...when we were charging it, it was a very cool Fall evening, so we weren't getting much of a high pressure reading even after 3 or 4 cans of 134...maybe I should hook up the pressure gagues on a nice hot afternoon and see if it's over spec....good idea. Thanks everyone for the helpful thoughts...I'll check all the temp sensors and the pressure. You definitely need AC in the Sacramento area....it's just painful without it... R, Scott - -----Original Message----- From: Sam Williams [mailto:1sam-at-io.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2004 8:08 PM To: HAALAND,SCOTT (A-Roseville,ex1); diesel-benz-at-digest.net Subject: RE: [db] Summer heat and AC cutting out Scott, Just a quick guess ... could you have over-charged the system when replacing compressor? I think there is a high pressure cut-out on your car. Cooling in high temps would cause higher pressures than in low temps--as would running compressor at high speed vs at idle. I hope it's as simple as bleeding a little Freon. Sam - -----Original Message----- From: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of scott_haaland-at-agilent.com Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2004 7:00 PM To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net Subject: [db] Summer heat and AC cutting out Hi All, I would appreciate some advice for my 1985 190D 2.2L W201. I installed a new used compressor last fall, and was able to get it charged up and working. Now it blows cold air nicely, but I'm finding that it only works when it's less than 80 degrees outside!! It worked great all winter and in the spring, when it was getting into the 70's around CA, I found that sometimes, the compressor would just disengage, and by restarting the car at a red light, I could get it to come on again (no known combination of button pushing seems to work without a "reboot"). Now that we had a 98 degree day, followed by a 95 degree day, I was able to make an interesting observation. On the way to work in the morning, when it's still less than 80 degrees, the AC worked fine all the way to work! On the way home, when its more than 80, it works while idling, but as soon as I start driving up to more that 10 mph, it cuts out, and even on a restart, it only works while idling and cuts out as soon as I start driving. I have the manual for the AC system on CD, and it's incredibly complicated with lots of different sensors. My guesses are that one of the sensors is a) sensing something that _Should_ turn off the AC or b) is a bad sensor that is misbehaving. OR that the climate control buttons have some short or issue. I just remembered the old MB fuse thing, so maybe tonight I will try cleaning all of the fuses and see if that helps. Any ideas on how to track this one down? I guess I may finally need one of those vacuum tester tools....it's interesting that the AC works when you don't really need it, but when it gets hot and you really do need it, it won't work for me!!!! (is this 190 related to a cat?) R, Scott ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 09:48:04 -0600 From: Subject: RE: [db] Good deal for a parts car SFO area (Kevin and Scott) Kevin, I'll split it with you!! All I want is the tranny! Otherwise, we could engage in a down and dirty last minute bidding war in 6 hours. Ha! ;) Scott - -----Original Message----- From: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net]On Behalf Of Kevin Pekarek Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2004 9:32 PM To: john Cc: DerickAA; Diesel Benz List (E-mail) Subject: Re: [db] Good deal for a parts car SFO area (Kevin and Scott) On Wed, Apr 28, 2004 at 08:51:02PM -0700, john wrote: > man, that is tempting... $113 right now for a running car with bad paint... :) Hm. I have one 190D with seriously faded paint. Fortunately, it doesn't use oil. That is way too tempting. If it hasn't gotten way out of hand tomorrow, I might have to make a bid on it. I hate being forced like that, but fortunately the cheap italian in me doesn't let me pay too much for things :) K - -- Kevin Pekarek Redwood City, CA (near San Francisco) and Los Osos, CA (near San Luis Obispo) 85 190D (601, 5spd) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 12:57:14 -0400 From: "Jim Hoffman" Subject: [db] 1961 MERCEDES 190D DIESEL The price on this one looks attractive. Very interesting car... http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=2476089801&category=6315 Jim/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 11:49:31 -0700 From: Kevin Pekarek Subject: Re: [db] Not much diesel content but.... On Thu, Apr 29, 2004 at 10:01:25AM -0400, Jim Hoffman wrote: > Well Robert.... When my kids are grown and out of college I'm going > to *treat* myself to a sports car. It's always been a '64 1/2 - '66 > Mustang convertible OR GT-350 but that 220S could fit the bill ;) One of my uncles has a GT-500 with a four speed I could probably buy from him, but I think I would have a lot more fun with a 67 or 68 fastback with a stroked windsor and six speed, and updated suspension and brakes. The generic fastback would also be a TON cheaper than the GT500. K - -- Kevin Pekarek Redwood City, CA (near San Francisco) and Los Osos, CA (near San Luis Obispo) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 11:47:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Mangrum Subject: Re: [db] 1961 MERCEDES 190D DIESEL It is a nice looking car. You better not be in much of a hurry with that 4 cylinder diesel though. I think it is around 45 hp. The price does not seem that far out of range but a little high. According to NADA: Low Retail $2,150, Average Retail $3,350, High Retail $4,600 Jim Hoffman wrote: The price on this one looks attractive. Very interesting car... http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=2476089801&category=6315 Jim/ Mike M. in Ann Arbor, MI '74 914 2.0, '75 914 1.8, '82 300D TurboDiesel Oh lord won't you buy me a Mercedes Benz My friends all drive Porsches, I must make amends Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 12:07:03 -0700 From: "derick amburgey" Subject: RE: [db] 1961 MERCEDES 190D DIESEL I have a coworker who had one of these new. I was in tears laughing when he told me how he had to get running starts at hills. At one point his friends had to get out of the car and get back in at the top of the hill. He traded it in a couple weeks later. Derick - -----Original Message----- From: Mike Mangrum [mailto:mike_mangrum-at-yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2004 11:47 AM To: jslash-at-execpc.com; diesel-benz-at-digest.net Subject: Re: [db] 1961 MERCEDES 190D DIESEL It is a nice looking car. You better not be in much of a hurry with that 4 cylinder diesel though. I think it is around 45 hp. The price does not seem that far out of range but a little high. According to NADA: Low Retail $2,150, Average Retail $3,350, High Retail $4,600 Jim Hoffman wrote: The price on this one looks attractive. Very interesting car... http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=247608980 1&category=6315 Jim/ Mike M. in Ann Arbor, MI '74 914 2.0, '75 914 1.8, '82 300D TurboDiesel Oh lord won't you buy me a Mercedes Benz My friends all drive Porsches, I must make amends Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs - --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.669 / Virus Database: 431 - Release Date: 4/26/2004 - --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.669 / Virus Database: 431 - Release Date: 4/26/2004 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 11:47:59 -0700 From: Kevin Pekarek Subject: Re: [db] Not much diesel content but.... On Thu, Apr 29, 2004 at 06:44:13AM -0400, Robert Chase wrote: > I know that my "personal collection" will be sold as part of my estate > long after I am dead. Hehehe. I know that feeling. With a few exceptions, I still have everything I have ever owned. The ones that I got rid of, I didn't have long because I didn't personally care for them. K - -- Kevin Pekarek Redwood City, CA (near San Francisco) and Los Osos, CA (near San Luis Obispo) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 12:46:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Mangrum Subject: Re: [db] Not much diesel content but.... Now this is cool! Those portal windows remind me of the 1967 21 Window VW Van I had. http://www.hemmings.com/index.cfm/fuseaction/classifieds.cardetail/id/2097949 MERCEDES-BENZ: 1959 Executive Motor Coach camper conversion, very rare, excellent original, unrestored condition, 47,000 miles, well maintained and documented, original propane tanks but converted to gasoline, stove, refrigerator, sink, Incinolet toilet, 5000w onboard generator, always stored inside, conversion performed at M-B factory authorized Bauer Co, Goshen, IN, $60,000 or highest offer above. Contact: rechan-at-earthlink.net, NY Kevin Pekarek wrote: On Thu, Apr 29, 2004 at 10:01:25AM -0400, Jim Hoffman wrote: > Well Robert.... When my kids are grown and out of college I'm going > to *treat* myself to a sports car. It's always been a '64 1/2 - '66 > Mustang convertible OR GT-350 but that 220S could fit the bill ;) One of my uncles has a GT-500 with a four speed I could probably buy from him, but I think I would have a lot more fun with a 67 or 68 fastback with a stroked windsor and six speed, and updated suspension and brakes. The generic fastback would also be a TON cheaper than the GT500. K - -- Kevin Pekarek Redwood City, CA (near San Francisco) and Los Osos, CA (near San Luis Obispo) Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 12:48:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Mangrum Subject: Re: [db] Not much diesel content but.... But $60K? Ouch! Mike Mangrum wrote:Now this is cool! Those portal windows remind me of the 1967 21 Window VW Van I had. http://www.hemmings.com/index.cfm/fuseaction/classifieds.cardetail/id/2097949 MERCEDES-BENZ: 1959 Executive Motor Coach camper conversion, very rare, excellent original, unrestored condition, 47,000 miles, well maintained and documented, original propane tanks but converted to gasoline, stove, refrigerator, sink, Incinolet toilet, 5000w onboard generator, always stored inside, conversion performed at M-B factory authorized Bauer Co, Goshen, IN, $60,000 or highest offer above. Contact: rechan-at-earthlink.net, NY Kevin Pekarek wrote: On Thu, Apr 29, 2004 at 10:01:25AM -0400, Jim Hoffman wrote: > Well Robert.... When my kids are grown and out of college I'm going > to *treat* myself to a sports car. It's always been a '64 1/2 - '66 > Mustang convertible OR GT-350 but that 220S could fit the bill ;) One of my uncles has a GT-500 with a four speed I could probably buy from him, but I think I would have a lot more fun with a 67 or 68 fastback with a stroked windsor and six speed, and updated suspension and brakes. The generic fastback would also be a TON cheaper than the GT500. K - -- Kevin Pekarek Redwood City, CA (near San Francisco) and Los Osos, CA (near San Luis Obispo) Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 15:10:30 -0700 From: Kevin Pekarek Subject: Re: [db] Good deal for a parts car SFO area (Kevin and Scott) On Wed, Apr 28, 2004 at 09:32:09PM -0700, Kevin Pekarek wrote: > If it hasn't gotten way out of hand tomorrow, I might have to make a bid on > it. I hate being forced like that, but fortunately the cheap italian in me > doesn't let me pay too much for things :) Well, it ended up going for $400 something. What a ripoff :) K, going back to $100 AMCs - -- Kevin Pekarek Redwood City, CA (near San Francisco) and Los Osos, CA (near San Luis Obispo) 85 190D (601, 5spd) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 15:13:40 -0700 From: Kevin Pekarek Subject: Re: [db] Stalling out On Thu, Apr 29, 2004 at 08:24:32AM -0400, Ben Esplin wrote: > I have a '74 300d with 150K. After some initial engine work, the car runs > great in park or neutral, and while moving. But if the car is in drive and > stopped, the entire car kind of pulsates. The pulsing gets harder and more > spaced out, and then the car dies out. I have also noticed that it seems > to be shifting harder (automatic tranny) in the past week or so. When the > pulsing gets bad, at stop lights, in traffic, and such, I have taken to > putting the car in neutral to avoid have the engine die out (it starts > right back up every time). I think it might be a transmission thing, but I > am really hoping that it isn't. Anybody had this problem? Thanks. Don't those old w115s have an idle speed control that you sometimes have to manipulate? (The old monster 416 unimogs had a hand throttle for idle, and if you didn't set that right, it would get pissy like that in a hurry) K - -- Kevin Pekarek Redwood City, CA (near San Francisco) and Los Osos, CA (near San Luis Obispo) 85 190D (601, 5spd) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 23:02:29 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] Not much diesel content but.... I saw a real nice GT500 in Portland in 1985... was it $10k or $15k... well, doesn't matter, it'd be closer to $60k now... if you don't buy your uncle's let me know... especially if he's going to sell it to you real cheap... ;) john On Thu, 29 Apr 2004, Kevin Pekarek wrote: >-->On Thu, Apr 29, 2004 at 10:01:25AM -0400, Jim Hoffman wrote: >-->> Well Robert.... When my kids are grown and out of college I'm going >-->> to *treat* myself to a sports car. It's always been a '64 1/2 - '66 >-->> Mustang convertible OR GT-350 but that 220S could fit the bill ;) >--> >-->One of my uncles has a GT-500 with a four speed I could probably >-->buy from him, but I think I would have a lot more fun with a 67 or >-->68 fastback with a stroked windsor and six speed, and updated suspension >-->and brakes. The generic fastback would also be a TON cheaper than the >-->GT500. >--> >-->K >--> >-->-- >-->Kevin Pekarek >-->Redwood City, CA (near San Francisco) and >-->Los Osos, CA (near San Luis Obispo) >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #1441 **********************************