From owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Sun May 9 08:12:22 2004 From: diesel-benz-digest diesel-benz-digest Sunday, May 9 2004 Volume 01 : Number 1450 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: [db] SDL's Re: [db] SDL's Re: [db] Vacume leak cause shut down problems? RE: [db] [redghost-at-comcast.net: [DIESEL] Tacoma WA 300D auction] Re: [db] [redghost-at-comcast.net: [DIESEL] Tacoma WA 300D auction] RE: [db] [redghost-at-comcast.net: [DIESEL] Tacoma WA 300D auction] Re: [db] [redghost-at-comcast.net: [DIESEL] Tacoma WA 300D auction] RE: [db] [redghost-at-comcast.net: [DIESEL] Tacoma WA 300D auction] RE: [db] [redghost-at-comcast.net: [DIESEL] Tacoma WA 300D auction] Re: [db] [redghost-at-comcast.net: [DIESEL] Tacoma WA 300D auction] [db] this just in from King County... picture WAS wrong [db] this just in from King County... picture WAS wrong [db] Tinted windows? Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 07 May 2004 19:03:07 -0400 From: Robert Chase Subject: Re: [db] SDL's Kevin Pekarek wrote: >Arguably, you could also snag a junkyard 603 and be going again. A rebuild >might get your attention. > > Hmmm... That could be a problem.... Which do you think would cost more a 300SEL rebuild or a 300SDL rebuild? >The OM603 is actually a pretty quiet engine, and has noticeably more power >than the 617. I'd argue that keeping the 603 happy will be cheaper in the >long run (and short run) than a 617 swap. Worse comes to worse, wait until >the 603 tanks on you before deciding to off it for the 617. Mileage for the >603 is still high twenties, a little lower if you like driving with your >foot through the floor. > > > > Oh yea.... I would not throw away a perfectly good engine.... The 603 would be fully used up before we did an engine swap.... At this point though im wondering if I would be better off with a gas powered car..... Robert Chase P.S. Im not shopping for a new car here. They will peel the steering wheel of my 300SD from my cold dead fingers :) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 May 2004 16:11:28 -0700 From: Kevin Pekarek Subject: Re: [db] SDL's On Fri, May 07, 2004 at 07:03:07PM -0400, Robert Chase wrote: > >Arguably, you could also snag a junkyard 603 and be going again. A rebuild > >might get your attention. > > Hmmm... That could be a problem.... Which do you think would cost more > a 300SEL rebuild or a 300SDL rebuild? I would imagine that it would probably be pretty close, but I'd imagine the gasser would need it far sooner. Just a guess. I'd probably call yards and price running engines, or call a rebuilder shop to get an engine price if that was your determining factor. > Oh yea.... I would not throw away a perfectly good engine.... The 603 > would be fully used up before we did an engine swap.... At this point > though im wondering if I would be better off with a gas powered car..... I don't know. > P.S. Im not shopping for a new car here. They will peel the steering > wheel of my 300SD from my cold dead fingers :) I figured as much, but a LWB 126 beats the hell out of a minivan. :) K - -- Kevin Pekarek Redwood City, CA (near San Francisco) and Los Osos, CA (near San Luis Obispo) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 May 2004 19:30:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Pat McCotter Subject: Re: [db] Vacume leak cause shut down problems? Yes, a vacuum leak will cause the engine to keep running. It happened to me quite often when I first got the car. Fortunately, mine was quite obvious once I knew what to look for. Pat 85 300TD veg burner - --- hue wong wrote: > Ho all! > > Say... is there any reason a vacume leak would cause > a > 300td (82) to not shut off after turning off the > key? > I suspect it's a vacume leak as my door locks quite > as > well... > > The engine will die off after a few seconds, but it > sounds more like the fuel just running out of it. > Other then that the car is running great and start > right up! > > I think I might have pintched a hose when I jacked > the > motor up to swap out the motor mounts a few weeks > back(a real easy job btw) but not sure as the > problem > just started about an hour ago... > > Anyway. Thanx in advance ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 May 2004 22:29:08 -0500 From: "Alec Cordova" Subject: RE: [db] [redghost-at-comcast.net: [DIESEL] Tacoma WA 300D auction] Cool! I found a Mercedes VIN decoder at http://www.mbnz.org/modelguide/ It shows this one as a 1985 W123 300D. Alec > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net > [mailto:owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net]On Behalf Of Kevin Pekarek > Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2004 11:08 PM > To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net > Subject: [db] [redghost-at-comcast.net: [DIESEL] Tacoma WA 300D auction] > > > ----- Forwarded message from Redghost ----- > > http://tinyurl.com/2ofgk > > Actually in Fife. This weekend at noon. No affiliation. Would > bid myself, > but I am out of town. > > Listed as a 1985, but photo shows 124 body. May go above $1500 reference > price, but most likely not. This one may be able to be had for > under $500. > I have not seen it and already have a W124 body diesel. > > ----- End forwarded message ----- > > This was posted to another mercedes list I am on. Car is up in WA. > > Picture shows what looks like a w201/w124, but claims to be a five banger > turbo, which would not be an 85 w124 (or w201 for that matter). > > K > > -- > Kevin Pekarek > Redwood City, CA (near San Francisco) and > Los Osos, CA (near San Luis Obispo) > 85 190D (601, 5spd) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 May 2004 20:33:01 -0700 From: john meister Subject: Re: [db] [redghost-at-comcast.net: [DIESEL] Tacoma WA 300D auction] did it say which engine? the auction lists a 5 cyl, but if it's the 3.0L isn't that a six cyl? john Alec Cordova wrote: > Cool! I found a Mercedes VIN decoder at http://www.mbnz.org/modelguide/ > It shows this one as a 1985 W123 300D. > > Alec > > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net >>[mailto:owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net]On Behalf Of Kevin Pekarek >>Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2004 11:08 PM >>To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net >>Subject: [db] [redghost-at-comcast.net: [DIESEL] Tacoma WA 300D auction] >> >> >>----- Forwarded message from Redghost ----- >> >>http://tinyurl.com/2ofgk >> >>Actually in Fife. This weekend at noon. No affiliation. Would >>bid myself, >>but I am out of town. >> >>Listed as a 1985, but photo shows 124 body. May go above $1500 reference >>price, but most likely not. This one may be able to be had for >>under $500. >>I have not seen it and already have a W124 body diesel. >> >>----- End forwarded message ----- >> >>This was posted to another mercedes list I am on. Car is up in WA. >> >>Picture shows what looks like a w201/w124, but claims to be a five banger >>turbo, which would not be an 85 w124 (or w201 for that matter). >> >>K >> >>-- >>Kevin Pekarek >>Redwood City, CA (near San Francisco) and >>Los Osos, CA (near San Luis Obispo) >>85 190D (601, 5spd) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 May 2004 22:39:59 -0500 From: "Alec Cordova" Subject: RE: [db] [redghost-at-comcast.net: [DIESEL] Tacoma WA 300D auction] W123. Last US model year. 3.0 liter 5 cylinder older OM617, NOT 3.0 liter 6 cylinder newer OM603. > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net > [mailto:owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net]On Behalf Of john meister > Sent: Friday, May 07, 2004 10:33 PM > To: Alec Cordova > Cc: diesel-benz-at-digest.net > Subject: Re: [db] [redghost-at-comcast.net: [DIESEL] Tacoma WA 300D > auction] > > > did it say which engine? the auction lists a 5 cyl, but if it's > the 3.0L isn't that a six cyl? > > john > > Alec Cordova wrote: > > Cool! I found a Mercedes VIN decoder at http://www.mbnz.org/modelguide/ > > It shows this one as a 1985 W123 300D. > > > > Alec > > > > > >>-----Original Message----- > >>From: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net > >>[mailto:owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net]On Behalf Of Kevin Pekarek > >>Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2004 11:08 PM > >>To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net > >>Subject: [db] [redghost-at-comcast.net: [DIESEL] Tacoma WA 300D auction] > >> > >> > >>----- Forwarded message from Redghost ----- > >> > >>http://tinyurl.com/2ofgk > >> > >>Actually in Fife. This weekend at noon. No affiliation. Would > >>bid myself, > >>but I am out of town. > >> > >>Listed as a 1985, but photo shows 124 body. May go above $1500 > reference > >>price, but most likely not. This one may be able to be had for > >>under $500. > >>I have not seen it and already have a W124 body diesel. > >> > >>----- End forwarded message ----- > >> > >>This was posted to another mercedes list I am on. Car is up in WA. > >> > >>Picture shows what looks like a w201/w124, but claims to be a > five banger > >>turbo, which would not be an 85 w124 (or w201 for that matter). > >> > >>K > >> > >>-- > >>Kevin Pekarek > >>Redwood City, CA (near San Francisco) and > >>Los Osos, CA (near San Luis Obispo) > >>85 190D (601, 5spd) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 May 2004 22:56:43 -0700 From: john meister Subject: Re: [db] [redghost-at-comcast.net: [DIESEL] Tacoma WA 300D auction] but the picture reveals it clearly as a 124 model... I wish I had time (and money) to run down there and buy it... ;) john Alec Cordova wrote: > Cool! I found a Mercedes VIN decoder at http://www.mbnz.org/modelguide/ > It shows this one as a 1985 W123 300D. > > Alec > > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net >>[mailto:owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net]On Behalf Of Kevin Pekarek >>Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2004 11:08 PM >>To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net >>Subject: [db] [redghost-at-comcast.net: [DIESEL] Tacoma WA 300D auction] >> >> >>----- Forwarded message from Redghost ----- >> >>http://tinyurl.com/2ofgk >> >>Actually in Fife. This weekend at noon. No affiliation. Would >>bid myself, >>but I am out of town. >> >>Listed as a 1985, but photo shows 124 body. May go above $1500 reference >>price, but most likely not. This one may be able to be had for >>under $500. >>I have not seen it and already have a W124 body diesel. >> >>----- End forwarded message ----- >> >>This was posted to another mercedes list I am on. Car is up in WA. >> >>Picture shows what looks like a w201/w124, but claims to be a five banger >>turbo, which would not be an 85 w124 (or w201 for that matter). >> >>K >> >>-- >>Kevin Pekarek >>Redwood City, CA (near San Francisco) and >>Los Osos, CA (near San Luis Obispo) >>85 190D (601, 5spd) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 May 2004 01:01:29 -0500 From: "Alec Cordova" Subject: RE: [db] [redghost-at-comcast.net: [DIESEL] Tacoma WA 300D auction] Between a picture and a VIN, if any seller includes both, I'll trust the VIN, and the VIN says without a doubt this is the older W123, which says without a doubt it's the older 5 cylinder OM617. I know it's not like me to try to slow down your Benz obsessions, but I'd bet a whole quarter that the photo is wrong. Alec > -----Original Message----- > From: john meister [mailto:john-at-wagoneers.com] > Sent: Saturday, May 08, 2004 12:57 AM > To: Alec Cordova > Cc: diesel-benz-at-digest.net > Subject: Re: [db] [redghost-at-comcast.net: [DIESEL] Tacoma WA 300D > auction] > > > but the picture reveals it clearly as a 124 model... > > I wish I had time (and money) to run down there and buy it... ;) > > john > > Alec Cordova wrote: > > Cool! I found a Mercedes VIN decoder at http://www.mbnz.org/modelguide/ > > It shows this one as a 1985 W123 300D. > > > > Alec > > > > > >>-----Original Message----- > >>From: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net > >>[mailto:owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net]On Behalf Of Kevin Pekarek > >>Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2004 11:08 PM > >>To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net > >>Subject: [db] [redghost-at-comcast.net: [DIESEL] Tacoma WA 300D auction] > >> > >> > >>----- Forwarded message from Redghost ----- > >> > >>http://tinyurl.com/2ofgk > >> > >>Actually in Fife. This weekend at noon. No affiliation. Would > >>bid myself, > >>but I am out of town. > >> > >>Listed as a 1985, but photo shows 124 body. May go above $1500 > reference > >>price, but most likely not. This one may be able to be had for > >>under $500. > >>I have not seen it and already have a W124 body diesel. > >> > >>----- End forwarded message ----- > >> > >>This was posted to another mercedes list I am on. Car is up in WA. > >> > >>Picture shows what looks like a w201/w124, but claims to be a > five banger > >>turbo, which would not be an 85 w124 (or w201 for that matter). > >> > >>K > >> > >>-- > >>Kevin Pekarek > >>Redwood City, CA (near San Francisco) and > >>Los Osos, CA (near San Luis Obispo) > >>85 190D (601, 5spd) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 May 2004 22:54:19 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: RE: [db] [redghost-at-comcast.net: [DIESEL] Tacoma WA 300D auction] On Sat, 8 May 2004, Alec Cordova wrote: >-->Between a picture and a VIN, if any seller includes both, I'll trust the >-->VIN, and the VIN says without a doubt this is the older W123, which says >-->without a doubt it's the older 5 cylinder OM617. >--> >-->I know it's not like me to try to slow down your Benz obsessions, but I'd >-->bet a whole quarter that the photo is wrong. You're probably right... but since I have to write courseware for the advanced linux class coming up in a few weeks the mystery won't be officially resolved... so we'll go with your analysis and say the picture is wrong... however, it could also be that the vin is wrong... ;) there are three jeeps and that benz down there... problem is with some of these public auctions is there will be a lot of folks bidding the price up beyond what is reasonable and I'll have wasted a lot of time on it... john >--> >-->Alec >--> >-->> -----Original Message----- >-->> From: john meister [mailto:john-at-wagoneers.com] >-->> Sent: Saturday, May 08, 2004 12:57 AM >-->> To: Alec Cordova >-->> Cc: diesel-benz-at-digest.net >-->> Subject: Re: [db] [redghost-at-comcast.net: [DIESEL] Tacoma WA 300D >-->> auction] >-->> >-->> >-->> but the picture reveals it clearly as a 124 model... >-->> >-->> I wish I had time (and money) to run down there and buy it... ;) >-->> >-->> john >-->> >-->> Alec Cordova wrote: >-->> > Cool! I found a Mercedes VIN decoder at http://www.mbnz.org/modelguide/ >-->> > It shows this one as a 1985 W123 300D. >-->> > >-->> > Alec >-->> > >-->> > >-->> >>-----Original Message----- >-->> >>From: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net >-->> >>[mailto:owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net]On Behalf Of Kevin Pekarek >-->> >>Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2004 11:08 PM >-->> >>To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net >-->> >>Subject: [db] [redghost-at-comcast.net: [DIESEL] Tacoma WA 300D auction] >-->> >> >-->> >> >-->> >>----- Forwarded message from Redghost ----- >-->> >> >-->> >>http://tinyurl.com/2ofgk >-->> >> >-->> >>Actually in Fife. This weekend at noon. No affiliation. Would >-->> >>bid myself, >-->> >>but I am out of town. >-->> >> >-->> >>Listed as a 1985, but photo shows 124 body. May go above $1500 >-->> reference >-->> >>price, but most likely not. This one may be able to be had for >-->> >>under $500. >-->> >>I have not seen it and already have a W124 body diesel. >-->> >> >-->> >>----- End forwarded message ----- >-->> >> >-->> >>This was posted to another mercedes list I am on. Car is up in WA. >-->> >> >-->> >>Picture shows what looks like a w201/w124, but claims to be a >-->> five banger >-->> >>turbo, which would not be an 85 w124 (or w201 for that matter). >-->> >> >-->> >>K >-->> >> >-->> >>-- >-->> >>Kevin Pekarek >-->> >>Redwood City, CA (near San Francisco) and >-->> >>Los Osos, CA (near San Luis Obispo) >-->> >>85 190D (601, 5spd) >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 May 2004 02:43:00 -0400 From: Robert Chase Subject: Re: [db] [redghost-at-comcast.net: [DIESEL] Tacoma WA 300D auction] NEAT! Alec Cordova wrote: >Cool! I found a Mercedes VIN decoder at http://www.mbnz.org/modelguide/ >It shows this one as a 1985 W123 300D. > >Alec > > > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net >>[mailto:owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net]On Behalf Of Kevin Pekarek >>Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2004 11:08 PM >>To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net >>Subject: [db] [redghost-at-comcast.net: [DIESEL] Tacoma WA 300D auction] >> >> >>----- Forwarded message from Redghost ----- >> >>http://tinyurl.com/2ofgk >> >>Actually in Fife. This weekend at noon. No affiliation. Would >>bid myself, >>but I am out of town. >> >>Listed as a 1985, but photo shows 124 body. May go above $1500 reference >>price, but most likely not. This one may be able to be had for >>under $500. >>I have not seen it and already have a W124 body diesel. >> >>----- End forwarded message ----- >> >>This was posted to another mercedes list I am on. Car is up in WA. >> >>Picture shows what looks like a w201/w124, but claims to be a five banger >>turbo, which would not be an 85 w124 (or w201 for that matter). >> >>K >> >>-- >>Kevin Pekarek >>Redwood City, CA (near San Francisco) and >>Los Osos, CA (near San Luis Obispo) >>85 190D (601, 5spd) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 May 2004 11:38:28 -0700 From: john meister Subject: [db] this just in from King County... picture WAS wrong Derick (aka list mom at large) called in with a report on the Diesel auction... the picture is very, very wrong... derick said his parts car looks better (same model)... he also mentioned that it appeared that the mafia got to this one first... something about bullet holes... we'll wait for his full report... ;) thanx derick for saving me a day of travel. :) john http://inventory.autotrader.com/inventory/vehicle_details.jsp?position=47&car_id=162679342&color=1&searchType=preowned&dealerId=1374022&make=any&model=any&pass=2&toYear=any&fromYear=any&toPrice=999999.0&fromPrice=0.0&searchFilter=any&sort=make ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 May 2004 15:36:30 -0700 From: "Justin H" Subject: [db] this just in from King County... picture WAS wrong Haha......Now that's the sharpest 300 I've seen in a while. ;) -Justin _________________________________________________________________ MSN Toolbar provides one-click access to Hotmail from any Web page ^V FREE download! http://toolbar.msn.com/go/onm00200413ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 09 May 2004 03:41:26 -0400 From: Robert Chase Subject: [db] Tinted windows? So, Im considering tinting the windows on my 126. Mostly because I wear shorts a good bit and don't like toasting the back of my legs sitting on a backside roasting MBtex seat. Any thoughts? My car is Black and looks sinister enough just as it is and Im wondering if tinting the windows would go overboard for that "Darth Vader" look. Im not a huge fan of window tint but Im also not a huge fan of towels in my seats either :) http://beostar.paunix.org/newmbzpics Robert Chase ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #1450 **********************************