From owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Wed May 12 17:22:52 2004 From: diesel-benz-digest diesel-benz-digest Wednesday, May 12 2004 Volume 01 : Number 1453 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: [db] oh baby... E320 CDI Re: [db] oh baby... E320 CDI Re: [db] oh baby... E320 CDI Re: [db] oh baby... E320 CDI Re: [db] oh baby... E320 CDI Re: [db] oh baby... E320 CDI Re: [db] oh baby... E320 CDI Re: [db] oh baby... E320 CDI Re: [db] oh baby... E320 CDI Re: [db] oh baby... E320 CDI Re: [db] oh baby... E320 CDI [db] Hmmmm Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 19:55:39 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] oh baby... E320 CDI On Mon, 10 May 2004, Kevin Pekarek wrote: >-->Well, CA will let you have one provided two conditions are met: >-->1. the car enters the state with more than 7500 miles >-->2. a CA resident did not put any miles on the car below 7500 >--> >-->So, if I really wanted one, I'd have to wait a year or two, then start >-->looking out of state for one. California really does have some dumb laws. actually it would take me about two months to put that mileage on... come on up, pick one out and I'll put the mileage on it and even drive it down for you. ;) Shoot, just to show you what a nice guy I am I'll top off the tank and have it washed before I give it back... what a deal, eh? john ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 04:07:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Jerome Kaidor Subject: Re: [db] oh baby... E320 CDI Robert Chase wrote: > > Eh? > > Really? You could always get sneaky and register it in another state. > If you have $52k for the car you probably also have another $100+k for a > nice rental property > *** In California, $100K won't get you a rental chicken coop. - Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 09:53:01 -0400 From: Robert Chase Subject: Re: [db] oh baby... E320 CDI But it will in Georgia and If I lived in any of those states I would probably have Georgia plates :) Robert Chase Jerome Kaidor wrote: >Robert Chase wrote: > > >>Eh? >> >>Really? You could always get sneaky and register it in another state. >>If you have $52k for the car you probably also have another $100+k for a >>nice rental property >> >> >> >*** In California, $100K won't get you a rental chicken coop. > > - Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 10:04:09 -0400 From: Robert Chase Subject: Re: [db] oh baby... E320 CDI Yep, We have some crazy laws. Generally local area issues are handled by the local and state government. This is partially due to the problems that we had with our civil war here. The Southern states that attempted to leave the Union wanted more individual local powers. When the war was over they got part of this in the new structure of the government. The weird laws don't just stop there. In My state Georgia you can't buy Liquor on Sunday due to the "influence" that the church has on our state legislature. While there is "supposed" to be a seperation of church and state somehow the church prevents us from sinning on "the lords day". Our whole system is a badly patched together system of compromises. I think the new EU system will be much better. It takes you guys longer to decide on something but usually the decision is tolerable by everyone. Here in the USA if some high powered governmental official wants a law for his pet project he gets it with no regard to the impact on the people he is "serving" Robert Chase Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI wrote: >My mailbox was recently graced by a missive >from Mike Frank who wrote: > > > >>It's all moot...the car is illegal in NY, CA, ME, and MA. So I can't >>have one.... >> >> > >Will someone explain how this can be, given all we hear about the US having >free trade between the states ? > >Have you no unification of laws, so what is legal in one state is legal in the >others ? > >In the EU if a car is legal in on of the states it is legal all over the EU ! > >Cheers, > >Ron. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 07:09:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Pat McCotter Subject: Re: [db] oh baby... E320 CDI Vermont is another state following California standards. And you can register in Maine; you just can't buy it there. The Maine dealers are in an uproar over that. http://business.mainetoday.com/news/040116car.shtml Pat - --- Robert Chase wrote: > Eh? > > Really? You could always get sneaky and register it > in another state. > If you have $52k for the car you probably also have > another $100+k for a > nice rental property > > Robert Chase > > > Mike Frank wrote: > > > It's all moot...the car is illegal in NY, CA, ME, > and MA. So I can't > > have one.... > > > > Mike Frank > > > > At 09:22 PM 5/10/2004, Robert Chase wrote: > > > >> Yeah... I have to agree with you there..... With > the rampant > >> declining quality of new cars I cant really say > that I get excited > >> with new cars anymore..... Factor in the brutal > depreciation and that > >> easily makes me happy to be driving a 22 year old > car.... :) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 10:33:44 -0400 From: Mike Frank Subject: Re: [db] oh baby... E320 CDI At 10:04 AM 5/11/2004, you wrote: >When the war was over they got part of this in the new structure of the >government. ???? The south lost the Civil War, but as you can see, they never capitulated.... To specifically answer your question. Our Federal gov't hasn't seen fit to regulate the quantity of sulfur in Diesel fuel, and won't until 2007. As a result, a Diesel vehicle which is totally green and acceptable in Europe would be considered a soot belching monster here. Some of the individual states, usually the ones with the most severe air pollution problems, have taken such matters into their own hands and placed a soot emissions limit on new cars. The Mercedes E320 is not emissions legal in NY, CA, and several other states. The VW Diesels are illegal in CA, but ok elsewhere. This may seem confusing, but it's all part of the process, and eventually all for the best. NY and CA smog laws have traditionally been world leaders in pollution regulation, the Feds and Europeans follow their lead. Mike Frank >>Will someone explain how this can be, given all we hear about the US >>having free trade between the states ? >> >>Have you no unification of laws, so what is legal in one state is legal >>in the others ? >> >>In the EU if a car is legal in on of the states it is legal all over the EU ! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 11:20:03 -0400 From: "J.B. Hebert" Subject: Re: [db] oh baby... E320 CDI Here here. Just a tab bitter on that point... but, as others have noted, I'm not sure I'd want a new MB. J.B. At 09:34 PM 5/10/2004 -0400, you wrote: >It's all moot...the car is illegal in NY, CA, ME, and MA. So I can't have >one.... > >Mike Frank > >At 09:22 PM 5/10/2004, Robert Chase wrote: >>Yeah... I have to agree with you there..... With the rampant declining >>quality of new cars I cant really say that I get excited with new cars >>anymore..... Factor in the brutal depreciation and that easily makes me >>happy to be driving a 22 year old car.... :) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 06:35:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Jerome Kaidor Subject: Re: [db] oh baby... E320 CDI Mike Frank wrote: > > This may seem confusing, but it's all part of the process, and eventually > all for the best. NY and CA smog laws have traditionally been world leaders > in pollution regulation, the Feds and Europeans follow their lead. > *** Since I started doing business in Fresno ( a large city smack dab in the middle of the California Central Valley ) I have come to realize why there is so much smog legislation in California. The air there is recognized to be the worst in the country. I'm told something like a fifth of the children there have athsma. It's especially bad on a hot summer day, when the soup of exhaust and industrial chemicals is baked by the sun, releasing copious amounts of O3 ( ozone ). In the summer, we go down there in the early morning and try hard to get out by early afternoon. Even so, I can feel it in my throat and lungs. The valley is a huge bowl covered by a temperature inversion that traps smog inside it. Agricultural operations, trucking ( it's the conduit between LA and the North, and LA is probably the biggest shipping port in the country ), and just plain population pressure are making it unlivable. Of course, just the fact that there is a problem does not mean that politicians are doing the right thing to solve it. The Valley put pressure on Sacramento to institute Smog II in the Bay Area, but in fact, I read that smog from the Bay Area accounts for less than 10 percent of the Valley's problems. - Jerry Kaidor ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 10:53:09 -0700 From: john meister Subject: Re: [db] oh baby... E320 CDI the entire central valley usually has a haze over it... a lot of it is agricultural dust from what I can tell... I-5 through central CA is somewhat boring, I prefer to take 101... ;) speaking of which I'll be doing the 101/I-5 shuffle end of June. I'll be down near Monterey teaching Linux classes and my wife and daughter are flying down to san jose so we can drive down to LA and ship my daughter to china... she'll be teaching english over there for a year... guess we'll go down 101, back up I-5... hoping for excellent mileage in the 300d. (mlc. ;) john Jerome Kaidor wrote: > Mike Frank wrote: > >>This may seem confusing, but it's all part of the process, and eventually >>all for the best. NY and CA smog laws have traditionally been world leaders >>in pollution regulation, the Feds and Europeans follow their lead. >> > > *** Since I started doing business in Fresno ( a large city smack dab in the > middle of the California Central Valley ) I have come to realize why there > is so much smog legislation in California. The air there is recognized to > be the worst in the country. I'm told something like a fifth of the > children there have athsma. It's especially bad on a hot summer day, when > the soup of exhaust and industrial chemicals is baked by the sun, releasing > copious amounts of O3 ( ozone ). In the summer, we go down there in the > early morning and try hard to get out by early afternoon. Even so, I can > feel it in my throat and lungs. > > The valley is a huge bowl covered by a temperature inversion that traps > smog inside it. Agricultural operations, trucking ( it's the conduit > between LA and the North, and LA is probably the biggest shipping port in > the country ), and just plain population pressure are making it unlivable. > > Of course, just the fact that there is a problem does not mean that > politicians are doing the right thing to solve it. The Valley put pressure > on Sacramento to institute Smog II in the Bay Area, but in fact, I read that > smog from the Bay Area accounts for less than 10 percent of the Valley's > problems. > > - Jerry Kaidor ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 19:21:55 -0400 From: "Marc Zylka" Subject: Re: [db] oh baby... E320 CDI There was an interesting TV show a few weeks ago about how China's pollution drifts across the pacific and some of it settles in California. All that offshore sourcing is coming back to haunt us. Marc. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "john meister" > the entire central valley usually has a haze over it... a lot of it is > agricultural dust from what I can tell... I-5 through central CA is > somewhat boring, I prefer to take 101... ;) speaking of which I'll > be doing the 101/I-5 shuffle end of June. I'll be down near Monterey > teaching Linux classes and my wife and daughter are flying down to > san jose so we can drive down to LA and ship my daughter to china... > she'll be teaching english over there for a year... guess we'll go > down 101, back up I-5... hoping for excellent mileage in the 300d. (mlc. ;) > > john ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 19:40:29 -0400 From: Robert Chase Subject: Re: [db] oh baby... E320 CDI Hmmm, Kinda cool eh? Robert Chase Marc Zylka wrote: >There was an interesting TV show a few weeks ago about how China's pollution >drifts across the pacific and some of it settles in California. All that >offshore sourcing is >coming back to haunt us. > >Marc. > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "john meister" > > > > >>the entire central valley usually has a haze over it... a lot of it is >>agricultural dust from what I can tell... I-5 through central CA is >>somewhat boring, I prefer to take 101... ;) speaking of which I'll >>be doing the 101/I-5 shuffle end of June. I'll be down near Monterey >>teaching Linux classes and my wife and daughter are flying down to >>san jose so we can drive down to LA and ship my daughter to china... >>she'll be teaching english over there for a year... guess we'll go >>down 101, back up I-5... hoping for excellent mileage in the 300d. (mlc. >> >> >;) > > >>john ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 19:33:28 -0400 From: Robert Chase Subject: [db] Hmmmm http://www.wired.com/news/autotech/0,2554,63413,00.html?tw=wn_tophead_1 Heh heh heh... Robert Chase ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #1453 **********************************